There is no reason anyone should smoke and smoking should be banned almost everywhere

[black booty lover]

Why should I have to? I have a right to go wherever I please in public. Your right to smoke in public ends where my drycleaning bill begins.

Why should the pub I own have to comply with this smoking ban? If I own it, isn't it a private establishment? If so, isn't it up to me to decide if I want risk loosing business by allowing people to smoke in the bar I own?

I've never understood this but maybe someone here on TERB can explain it to me.

 

[fuji]

You bar is open to the public.

 

[black booty lover]

Okay so what I create a private membership where you pay one dollar to become a member for a year?

 

[Hard Idle]

No, no more bans. The restrictions on public smoking reached a sensible amount about 10 years ago. Everything since then has been silliness. What started as addressing legitimate & reasonable concerns has snowballed into a neurotic obsession.

The idea that a couple of people smoking on an outdoor patio or park is going to cause someone to have cancer is absurd. Their health is probably much more imperiled by what they're eating & drinking. Maybe even their smartphone.

Maybe there is no reason why anyone should smoke. But by that logic there is no reason why anyone should do anything. Civilized, communal life sometimes requires putting up with a certain amount of other people's shit.

 

[Insidious Von]

I agree Comrade Stalin.

 

[AdamH]

I have never encountered a perfume or cologne where later on my clothes smelled of it just for being in the same room. There is no comparing the vileness of cigarette smoke to perfume or cologne. Someone wearing perfume doesn't force me to pay for drycleaning just by standing next to me the way a smoker does.

Seriously, why the fuck should anyone be allowed to do that?

Have you never had to have dinner at a particularly stinky restaurant? Have you never spent time in an shitty apartment building that smelled of garlic? Have you ever had to spend time around a camp fire? All of these smells would permeate your clothing in an unflattering way.. What you're complaining about is what you personally find an offensive smell.. Why should anybody else care about what you personally find offensive?

 

[Insidious Von]

You're wasting your time AdamH, fuji doesn't get out much.

 

[Hard Idle]

Have you never had to have dinner at a particularly stinky restaurant? Have you never spent time in an shitty apartment building that smelled of garlic? Have you ever had to spend time around a camp fire? All of these smells would permeate your clothing in an unflattering way.. What you're complaining about is what you personally find an offensive smell.. Why should anybody else care about what you personally find offensive?

Stop humoring fuji's hysteria about the drycleaning. The man obviously has an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder when it comes cigarette smoke and there is no reasoning with that. Everybody else knows that standing next to a a person who smells of smoke in an elevator or Starbucks line up can't transfer any lasting odor onto your clothes - at least not beyond a level detectable only by a search & rescue dog. To believe otherwise just shows how the smokephobic fear-mongering can promote halucinations in suggestible people.

 

[AdamH]

Stop humoring fuji's hysteria about the drycleaning. The man obviously has an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder when it comes cigarette smoke and there is no reasoning with that. Everybody else knows that standing next to a a person who smells of smoke in an elevator or Starbucks line up can't transfer any lasting odor onto your clothes - at least not beyond a level detectable only by a search & rescue dog. To believe otherwise just shows how the smokephobic fear-mongering can promote halucinations in suggestible people.

I believe he's talking about having to walk through second hand smoke.. But my point still stands.. There's plenty of shit that might make your clothes "stink" on a daily basis.. The fact that Fuji has personally zeroed in on THIS smell doesn't give the "Pro-ban" argument anymore weight.. Nobody cares what smell anybody else happens to find "offensive".. It's not an argument..

 

[Ian]

The last time I had a smoke was June 16th of this year quit cold turkey ( found it surprisingly easy)thru out half a pack, the good side of it is that I don't wheeze and cough anymore and I have more money ( a pack every 2 days is pricey) the bad side is I put on about 15lbs and it's hard to take off. Action / reaction. As for people who smoke doesn't bother me in the least u certinally can smell them though never noticed that until I quit.

 

[anon1]

[h=2]There is no reason anyone should hobby and hobbying should be banned almost everywhere

Agree or disagree?[/h]

 

[bazokajoe]

Why should the pub I own have to comply with this smoking ban? If I own it, isn't it a private establishment? If so, isn't it up to me to decide if I want risk loosing business by allowing people to smoke in the bar I own?

I've never understood this but maybe someone here on TERB can explain it to me.

Same reason you have to comply with all labour laws.Just because you own it doesn't mean you can do what ever you want.
Get with the program.

 

[fuji]

I believe he's talking about having to walk through second hand smoke.. But my point still stands.. There's plenty of shit that might make your clothes "stink" on a daily basis.. The fact that Fuji has personally zeroed in on THIS smell doesn't give the "Pro-ban" argument anymore weight.. Nobody cares what smell anybody else happens to find "offensive".. It's not an argument..

In my entire life I have never had an experience where I can home smelling of any of those things. Many, many times I have come home with my hair and clothes absolutely reeking of smoke.

I am sure that you can construct crazy examples that never happen to most people, but in terms of the actual public nuisance we really experience in actual life: smokers.

 

[AdamH]

In my entire life I have never had an experience where I can home smelling of any of those things. Many, many times I have come home with my hair and clothes absolutely reeking of smoke.

I am sure that you can construct crazy examples that never happen to most people, but in terms of the actual public nuisance we really experience in actual life: smokers.

The fact that you can't personally remember "smelling" like anything else is both unbelievable and irrelevant.. Despite your foot stomping, the fact remains that there are many things about you which might cause you to "smell".. My point is that nobody cares what you "smells" you find acceptable or offensive.. Your personal preferences for "stink" don't weigh into the debate over the banning of smoking in public places.

 

[fuji]

The fact that you can't personally remember "smelling" like anything else is both unbelievable and irrelevant.. Despite your foot stomping, the fact remains that there are many things about you which might cause you to "smell".. My point is that nobody cares what you "smells" you find acceptable or offensive.. Your personal preferences for "stink" don't weigh into the debate over the banning of smoking in public places.

If they are so uncommon that they never happen to anyone, or never in ordinary public places I can see with haven't acted on them.

 

[AdamH]

If they are so uncommon that they never happen to anyone, or never in ordinary public places I can see with haven't acted on them.

Ohhhhhhh.. I get it.. You expect me to believe that you routinely are forced to dry clean your clothes due to a daily bombardment of second hand cigarette smoke.. Right..

Quit being such a whiny bitch. It's cigarette smoke Nancy, not the plague..

 

[fuji]

Yes, when I go to a patio in the summer that is full of smokers I always have to dry clean my shirt afterwards. Back when smoking was permitted in bars and restaurants I always had to dryclean after going to one in those days.

Your other examples are not part of my experience. Maybe some of them would be valid targets for legislation if they were more common. Maybe they have an overriding economic justification.

In any case in an ordinary public space, like the patio of a bar or club, I should not be assaulted by noxious smoke that forces to take my clothes to the dry cleaners afterwards.

It violates the principle that you should be able to do whatever you like until it harms someone else.

The smoking debate has typically focused on medical harm, but I am pointing out that stinking up someone else's property and person is also a harm.

 

[AdamH]

Yes, when I go to a patio in the summer that is full of smokers I always have to dry clean my shirt afterwards. Back when smoking was permitted in bars and restaurants I always had to dryclean after going to one in those days.

Your other examples are not part of my experience. Maybe some of them would be valid targets for legislation if they were more common. Maybe they have an overriding economic justification.

In any case in an ordinary public space, like the patio of a bar or club, I should not be assaulted by noxious smoke that forces to take my clothes to the dry cleaners afterwards.

It violates the principle that you should be able to do whatever you like until it harms someone else.

The smoking debate has typically focused on medical harm, but I am pointing out that stinking up someone else's property and person is also a harm.

Your not enjoying a particular smell doesn't equate to "harm".. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.. Being forced to smell (and risk later smelling like) something which you personally and particularly find offensive isn't fucking "harm".. The fact that you personally find something offensive doesn't add to the argument for banning that thing.. Your personal taste for smell is fucking irrelevant.. Your tolerance for smells which you find distasteful is so far beyond irrelevant it's comical..

 

[IM469]

It's cigarette smoke Nancy, not the plague..

I thought the 'Nancy's' were those who lack the mental strength to break an addiction. As for the term plague - Ebola has killed 5,000 in the same time frame that smoking has killed 5,000,000.

I don't mind the addicted engaging in their habits huddled in their own homes but I would like the freedom of enjoying fresh air without the stench of someone else's filthy habit permeating the air.

 

[AdamH]

I thought the 'Nancy's' were those who lack the mental strength to break an addiction. As for the term plague - Ebola has killed 5,000 in the same time frame that smoking has killed 5,000,000.

I don't mind the addicted engaging in their habits huddled in their own homes but I would like the freedom of enjoying fresh air without the stench of someone else's filthy habit permeating the air.

Weird, I always related the derogatory term "Nancy" to "Sissy".. As in "Ewwwwww. My clothes are all stinky from that mean man's cigarette, I'm going to march straight down to the dry cleaners to get this icky smell out of my shirt"

Again, the fact that you consider this "stench" to be offensive or "filthy" is irrelevant.. We don't fucking outlaw things (or ban the use of them) because SOME people find them "stinky"..

As for the plague.. Ebola isn't The Plague.. Ebola is Ebola.. The Bubonic Plague or "Black Death" (Colloquially referred to simply as "The Plague") killed between 75 and 200 million people..