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The Russians were not even given a deadline over 3 years
by Biden and his NATO lackeys so they could kill as much as
possible. It isn't that bad for Trump to give them a few more
months.
 
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oil&gas said:
The Russians were not even given a deadline over 3 years
by Biden and his NATO lackeys so they could kill as much as
possible. It isn't that bad for Trump to give them a few more
months.
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So you think it ok.. Just because Biden didn't, trump is ok to give 4 months to kill. And really it doesn't matter anyways, dumbfuck dump will do nothing anyways
 
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Trump has zero leverage over Putin. Literally nothing. So the Russians will continue their advances until either the Ukrainian state collapses or until such time as the Russians are ready to dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine. It's really that simple
 
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oil&gas said:
The Russians were not even given a deadline over 3 years
by Biden and his NATO lackeys so they could kill as much as
possible. It isn't that bad for Trump to give them a few more
months.
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Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago. I think on one level, they thought bleeding Russia from the inside made strategic sense. Or, they knew that Russia wouldn't agree to anything while they still thought they'd have a shot of knocking Ukraine out fairly quickly. But, the reality here is that it take two to negotiate. I honestly cannot see a scenario where Russia can reach a treaty that will save them face, or Ukraine that doesn't have them ceed territory. And, that doesn't even address reparations or what not.

Trump might have a bit more of an easier time now, because both sides are probably exhausted by the war. In total, there have been around 2 million casualties. That is a staggering number that includes civilians and soldiers. But, as I said, how can Putin cease hostilities AND not keep land it captured in the war? How can Zelenskyy give up that territory? And, sadly, we all know that Trump is not the greatest negotiator. He has no nuance. He has little tact. He seems to favour Russia, which means Ukraine could be potentially forced to take a shitty deal.
 
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silentkisser said:
Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago. I think on one level, they thought bleeding Russia from the inside made strategic sense. Or, they knew that Russia wouldn't agree to anything while they still thought they'd have a shot of knocking Ukraine out fairly quickly. But, the reality here is that it take two to negotiate. I honestly cannot see a scenario where Russia can reach a treaty that will save them face, or Ukraine that doesn't have them ceed territory. And, that doesn't even address reparations or what not.

Trump might have a bit more of an easier time now, because both sides are probably exhausted by the war. In total, there have been around 2 million casualties. That is a staggering number that includes civilians and soldiers. But, as I said, how can Putin cease hostilities AND not keep land it captured in the war? How can Zelenskyy give up that territory? And, sadly, we all know that Trump is not the greatest negotiator. He has no nuance. He has little tact. He seems to favour Russia, which means Ukraine could be potentially forced to take a shitty deal.
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I wonder if Biden thought that by offloading all their second hand weapons america could fund restocking the army and keep Ukraine going enough to stall and drain Russia. If this was the real goal all along, not to win but to keep Putin using up his resources.
 
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rgkv said:
So you think it ok.. Just because Biden didn't, trump is ok to give 4 months to kill. And really it doesn't matter anyways, dumbfuck dump will do nothing anyways
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We will see if the war will carry on for another 3 years under Trump. Looks
to me killing could end this year. That will make Trump a better peacemaker
than Biden.
 
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I don't see reaching a treaty to save face to be a concern of Putin. I have
a hunch he is taking the time to await the disintegration of Ukraine as well
as to sow division within NATO.

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Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago. I think on one level, they thought bleeding Russia from the inside made strategic sense. Or, they knew that Russia wouldn't agree to anything while they still thought they'd have a shot of knocking Ukraine out fairly quickly. But, the reality here is that it take two to negotiate. I honestly cannot see a scenario where Russia can reach a treaty that will save them face, or Ukraine that doesn't have them ceed territory. And, that doesn't even address reparations or what not.

Trump might have a bit more of an easier time now, because both sides are probably exhausted by the war. In total, there have been around 2 million casualties. That is a staggering number that includes civilians and soldiers. But, as I said, how can Putin cease hostilities AND not keep land it captured in the war? How can Zelenskyy give up that territory? And, sadly, we all know that Trump is not the greatest negotiator. He has no nuance. He has little tact. He seems to favour Russia, which means Ukraine could be potentially forced to take a shitty deal.
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rgkv said:
So, trumpet has given the Russian 4 more months to kill as much as possible but come June they must reach a deal to end the war... IF NOT!! Well, he will get mad i guess
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You really think if they wanted to kill as much as possible they would have only killed less then 15K civvies and that Kiev would not look like Gaza?
 
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Saber rattling.
Exactly what is Trump going to do if Putin does not comply? Nothing.
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He can't do anything. The Houthis did not comply and he just fucked off and claimed victory lol. Iran is not even remotely intimidated. : USA- Stop all enrichment or ELSE!! Iran - NO!
 
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seanzo said:
Trump has zero leverage over Putin. Literally nothing. So the Russians will continue their advances until either the Ukrainian state collapses or until such time as the Russians are ready to dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine. It's really that simple
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I think they will scale things back.
 
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nottyboi said:
You really think if they wanted to kill as much as possible they would have only killed less then 15K civvies and that Kiev would not look like Gaza?
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I didnt mean as much as possible in the sense of killing as many as he could, just that he could kill for 4 more years
 
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rgkv said:
I didnt mean as much as possible in the sense of killing as many as he could, just that he could kill for 4 more years
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How many more get killed is really up to Ukraine. Russias goal are largely the same, but I would say the territorial ambitions have grown due Ukraines strikes deep in Russia and on the Black Sea.
 
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silentkisser said:
Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago. I think on one level, they thought bleeding Russia from the inside made strategic sense. Or, they knew that Russia wouldn't agree to anything while they still thought they'd have a shot of knocking Ukraine out fairly quickly. But, the reality here is that it take two to negotiate. I honestly cannot see a scenario where Russia can reach a treaty that will save them face, or Ukraine that doesn't have them ceed territory. And, that doesn't even address reparations or what not.

Trump might have a bit more of an easier time now, because both sides are probably exhausted by the war. In total, there have been around 2 million casualties. That is a staggering number that includes civilians and soldiers. But, as I said, how can Putin cease hostilities AND not keep land it captured in the war? How can Zelenskyy give up that territory? And, sadly, we all know that Trump is not the greatest negotiator. He has no nuance. He has little tact. He seems to favour Russia, which means Ukraine could be potentially forced to take a shitty deal.
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Actually Trump specializes in the art of the fucked up deal. A terrible negotiator. Where TACO DON backs down or everybody gets sued , where neither side wins, where 1 side wins or the deal gets postponed endlessly. Possibly the worst deal maker in history. TRUMP is a TOTAL FAILURE .
 
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silentkisser said:
Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago.
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I'm trying to figure out what you mean here.
Are you under the impression there were no peace negotiations under Biden?
 
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