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Interesting that in your world it’s typically the leftists and SJW’s discounting facts by attacking the source. I remember you mentioning CNN and CBC in a recent post… Even in this post you discount PolitiFact without addressing any of facts it tried to correct.I really can't stand the typical lefty sjw method of discounting facts by attacking who the source or middleman was. I had no idea who you were referring to when you mentioned cvr over and over. I don't follow that person, have never seen that account before. As we both had touched upon, google does a good job of burying anything that harms the narrative. So I had to search for at least a partial clip of that interview to provide to you. You asked and I provided. And no in 2020 the vaccine was not 95 percent effective. You realize that all those fact checking sources have an incestuous relationship with all of those for whom they are fact checking?
Anyhow, I'm giving you a pass here as I wrote this " Speaking of random sources... here is an interesting enough video that explains, or does a good enough job making it sound like they are knowledgeable enough to explain, where the 95 percent efficacy came from. Nobody wants to watch an hour long conspiracy video from some rando on a forum, but if you are in fact curious, the first 3 or 4 minutes would suffice "
and moron that I am did not provide the link.
Here is the link.
The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 – More Harm Than Good – VIDEO – Canadian Covid Care Alliance
www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org
Again don't attack the source, (unless they are linked to David Icke or something), or the overall premise of the vid about vaccines causing more harm, time will tell there.
But I think the explanation about the 95 percent effectiveness sounds pretty convincing.
Let me ask you this... Do you think Pfizer or big pharma would lie or rig studies to make a buck?
Thank you so much for giving me a pass. I feel honoured.
Let’s look at the misinformation you mistook for information then.
@cvr_overandover titles a post “The Director of the CDC, Rochelle Walensky, admits the vaccines are ineffective and that she relies on CNN for a source of information.” In the caption, he reiterates this with “Two things: The vaccine is ineffective, according to the CDC director, and the CDC apparently relies on CNN for information, on the vaccine… even if this is a slip, it’s not a good one.”
Maybe he’s referring to a different video, but in the one he posted, Walensky doesn’t mention relying on CNN for information anywhere in the video. She said she remembers seeing the 95% news flash on CNN, a headline that broke in November 2020. Keep in mind that she would have seen the headline before she was working for the CDC. That’s it.
She doesn’t mention “ineffective” ever but does say that the initial optimism with the release of the 95% trial numbers should have been met with more caution by us all. At the time, we didn’t know about waning immunity since the trial had literally just ended and at-best impact of new variants was hypothetical.
Do you think @cvr_overandover is stupid enough to get all of that so clearly wrong? Or do you think he believes his audience is stupid enough to not notice he made it all up?
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You conclude with “Do you think Pfizer or big pharma would lie or rig studies to make a buck?”
I would expect that they would see that short-term profits at the expense of a permanent tainting of their brand aren’t worth it.
Given that there is a trial phase in the FDA approval process and knowing there would be dozens of independent studies to follow the manufacturer trial, if the outlier after all of that is the manufacturer, It would almost definitely undermine public trust in the brand. Not ideal for a brand like Pfizer, where this vaccine is a small portion of their total IP.
With that said, I ask you: Do you think the Canadian COVID Care Alliance would lie to make a buck?
On the false claims presented in the misinformation video you provided:
Video repeats false claims about safety of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine
A video produced by a group claiming to represent Canadian doctors and health care professionals alleges that the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine is dangerous. But the video repeats several previously debunked assertions about the safety of the shot, experts say the benefits outweigh the risks...
factcheck.afp.com
Claim about Pfizer’s vaccine causing harm is Pants on Fire
A headline widely shared on Facebook alleges that Pfizer’s own data show that the company’s COVID-19 vaccine causes more
www.politifact.com
Isn’t the Canadian COVID Care Alliance just a scam to sell easily grifted people Ivermectin, misinformation about vaccines and disinformation in general?
Revealed: How a web of Canadian doctors are undermining the fight against COVID-19 | Globalnews.ca
Canadian doctors are sharing unverified medical information to sway public opinion against COVID-19 vaccines. A Global News investigation shows many of these doctors are connected.
globalnews.ca
Physicians who spread misinformation may be eroding trust in health care system, experts say - The Globe and Mail
Some doctors and scientists in Canada are forming associations and using social media to promote COVID-19 misinformation about vaccines and treatments, or even sell vaccine exemption cards related to COVID-19, something experts say is eroding public trust in the health care system
www.theglobeandmail.com
Toronto physician, co-founder of Canadian Covid Care Alliance, under investigation by medical regulator
Ira Bernstein is family practice division head, mental health, at Humber River Hospital, and a member of the family practice executive committee
Canada’s dumbest MP sits on the organization’s “steering committee.”
He recently tabled a petition filled with totally made up claims about vaccine nano particles causing infertility. He’s sponsoring a bill to make it illegal for most people to get vaccinated based on that misinformation he, on behalf of the Canadian COVID Care Alliance, is peddling to dupees.
Conservative MP Presents Petition To Ban COVID-19 Vaccines for All Canadian Adults of ‘Child-Bearing Age’
Medical doctors say claims in Conservative MP Dean Allison's petition are 'not accurate'
pressprogress.ca
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Just start ignoring them. The anti vax movement appears to be dying out...
That's ok, pretend and be Rambo or better yet Matt Bourne because here you can be whoever you want to be. You do you. As for me, I'll just sit back in awe of your alpha male dominance. Lmao ...have a good weekend and don't get into any bar fights unless of course, you have a very good dental plan.
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Covid is so dangerous that all the unvaccinated are dead.
Or is covid still that disease that most don't even know they have so they have to do testing to find out.
Or is covid still that disease that most don't even know they have so they have to do testing to find out.
Thanks for linking it.
The problem is that "the big reveal" is just Relative Risk vs Absolute Risk.
VE is always calculated as relative risk. It's a known defined quantity that is scored the same way to allow for cross study reference even while acknowledging how much it can be affected by other population factors.
It's not like this was some weird secret or con.
Right at the beginning I remember news reports trying to explain how the fact the vaccines had different VEs wasn't really a sign of which was "better" than the other.
You are saying in this paragraph that anything that contradicts your narrative will be ignored because you assume it is big tech and big pharma lying.
That's not really a helpful position for having a discussion.
As for your study - yes, there are a number of these. And a number going the other way. As they add up you get a clearer picture and right now it is pretty unclear that either infection-induced or vaccine-induced is much better than the other. Infection-induced did seem to be better against Delta maybe. But outside of that, broad proclamations about obvious superiority (in terms of resistance to infection, severity of disease, or even duration of protection) aren't really warranted.
It is absolutely easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
I would doubt if 5% of the people on this board would admit they were wrong quickly.
It is incredibly rare that one obvious "eureka" moment happens.
It takes time and accumulation of evidence for people to admit they were even wrong, which is much less of a deal than being fooled.
I agree it is not really a helpful position but I at least acknowledge it. You are surely aware of the incestuous relationship between big pharma, big tech and government regulatory bodies, so it is hard to believe anything they say. My original stance was to wait and see. What I've seen is their vaccine doesn't work, and who knows what the long term effects are. What is even more distressing is that with all the push and investment that these batches of vaccines received, it appears any hope of a vaccine or treatment that actually is "safe and effective" has been abandoned.
As for the video and your first paragraph, I would think that most of the population, myself included would not know the difference between VE risk relative or absolute. Touting the vaccine providing at providing 95 percent protection against all infection when they clearly knew that was not what the study shows is at the very least dishonest.
You are one of the few on this board who have chimed in who have been honest and who's points... were on point.
cheers.
Dude I chide you for doing something and then you go and double down. You need to reread what I wrote.Interesting that in your world it’s typically the leftists and SJW’s discounting facts by attacking the source. I remember you mentioning CNN and CBC in a recent post… Even in this post you discount PolitiFact without addressing any of facts it tried to correct.
Thank you so much for giving me a pass. I feel honoured.
Let’s look at the misinformation you mistook for information then.
@cvr_overandover titles a post “The Director of the CDC, Rochelle Walensky, admits the vaccines are ineffective and that she relies on CNN for a source of information.” In the caption, he reiterates this with “Two things: The vaccine is ineffective, according to the CDC director, and the CDC apparently relies on CNN for information, on the vaccine… even if this is a slip, it’s not a good one.”
Maybe he’s referring to a different video, but in the one he posted, Walensky doesn’t mention relying on CNN for information anywhere in the video. She said she remembers seeing the 95% news flash on CNN, a headline that broke in November 2020. Keep in mind that she would have seen the headline before she was working for the CDC. That’s it.
She doesn’t mention “ineffective” ever but does say that the initial optimism with the release of the 95% trial numbers should have been met with more caution by us all. At the time, we didn’t know about waning immunity since the trial had literally just ended and at-best impact of new variants was hypothetical.
Do you think @cvr_overandover is stupid enough to get all of that so clearly wrong? Or do you think he believes his audience is stupid enough to not notice he made it all up?
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You conclude with “Do you think Pfizer or big pharma would lie or rig studies to make a buck?”
I would expect that they would see that short-term profits at the expense of a permanent tainting of their brand aren’t worth it.
Given that there is a trial phase in the FDA approval process and knowing there would be dozens of independent studies to follow the manufacturer trial, if the outlier after all of that is the manufacturer, It would almost definitely undermine public trust in the brand. Not ideal for a brand like Pfizer, where this vaccine is a small portion of their total IP.
With that said, I ask you: Do you think the Canadian COVID Care Alliance would lie to make a buck?
On the false claims presented in the misinformation video you provided:
Video repeats false claims about safety of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine
A video produced by a group claiming to represent Canadian doctors and health care professionals alleges that the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine is dangerous. But the video repeats several previously debunked assertions about the safety of the shot, experts say the benefits outweigh the risks...
Claim about Pfizer’s vaccine causing harm is Pants on Fire
A headline widely shared on Facebook alleges that Pfizer’s own data show that the company’s COVID-19 vaccine causes more
Isn’t the Canadian COVID Care Alliance just a scam to sell easily grifted people Ivermectin, misinformation about vaccines and disinformation in general?
Revealed: How a web of Canadian doctors are undermining the fight against COVID-19 | Globalnews.ca
Canadian doctors are sharing unverified medical information to sway public opinion against COVID-19 vaccines. A Global News investigation shows many of these doctors are connected.
Physicians who spread misinformation may be eroding trust in health care system, experts say - The Globe and Mail
Some doctors and scientists in Canada are forming associations and using social media to promote COVID-19 misinformation about vaccines and treatments, or even sell vaccine exemption cards related to COVID-19, something experts say is eroding public trust in the health care systemwww.theglobeandmail.com
Toronto physician, co-founder of Canadian Covid Care Alliance, under investigation by medical regulator
Ira Bernstein is family practice division head, mental health, at Humber River Hospital, and a member of the family practice executive committeewww.thestar.com
Canada’s dumbest MP sits on the organization’s “steering committee.”
He recently tabled a petition filled with totally made up claims about vaccine nano particles causing infertility. He’s sponsoring a bill to make it illegal for most people to get vaccinated based on that misinformation he, on behalf of the Canadian COVID Care Alliance, is peddling to dupees.
Conservative MP Presents Petition To Ban COVID-19 Vaccines for All Canadian Adults of ‘Child-Bearing Age’
Medical doctors say claims in Conservative MP Dean Allison's petition are 'not accurate'
I made a statement saying I had seen a video with the CDC making a claim. You said show me the video, rather than acknowledging that what I said I had seen, I had in fact seen, you proceed to research whatever instagram account had the video. And still are going on about it after I explained to you that I have no idea who's account that was, had never seen it before as I had seen the same video clip elsewhere, but in order to find it for you to watch, I ended up on that dudes instagram account.
Then for the second video, who I again said just watch the first 4 minutes on the origins of how Pfizer derived their 95 percent effective against covid bs, rather than addressing that, you go on a tirade about the covid care alliance and some mp or something of whom I know nothing about nor care. In future, dispute facts, don't move in for the character assassination. If you have a greater understanding of how they derived their stats or interpreted their data, enlighten me, I'm not a scientist, doc or statistician.
But that isn't how people operate these days is it?
If you still believe everything on CBC or CNN, I can't help you.
We can agree to disagree, and I apologize for wasting your and my time.
Just don't stay up too late watching Drag Kids on cbc and miss your booster shot appointment in the morning.
Ahhh. I see.
So going back to when you said “Well the fact that fda pretty well came out and said that it didn't work and that they were being overly "optimistic" when first describing it's efficacy.”
Did you ever find any support for this that you could point us to?
Hate to be a bother, but that’s a really good reason to not be psyched on the vaccine. I feel like it would be a HUGE media bombshell and something that would be impossible to scrub if either the FDA or CDC did indeed ‘pretty well came out and said that it didn’t work.’
Clearly, the Instagram video you wanted us to see had some similar words for what you might have been looking for in the title/caption, but that couldn’t be the source that informed your understanding. Even if I assume you mistyped FDA but meant CDC, none of that information was in the long version of the interview either (link to unedited full-length video is in PolitiFact article).
Regarding the Canadian COVID Care Alliance video you posted a link to. I watched the first 4 minutes, heard them try to get their audience to believe that publicizing the RRR instead of ARR was misleading.
And to people who don’t understand basic math or statistics, it may have been.
In any event this article explains why manufacturers use RRR instead of ARR. It’s far less nefarious than the Canadian COVID Care Alliance would have its customers believe:
Why Relative Risk Reduction, not Absolute Risk Reduction, is most often used in calculating vaccine efficacy
Corrected spelling of last name in paragraph 12
mobile.reuters.com
If you’ve ever wondered about efficacy for other vaccines like Menjugate, Shingrix, tetanus, flu, polio, MMR etc., you’d probably see that they’re all expressed as RRR also.
For a quick dive into the math behind efficacy:
COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean?
It doesn't mean 5% of vaccinated people get infected.
www.livescience.com
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Fair, but would you agree that these covid vaccines are not the same as previous vaccines in terms of how they work or their effectiveness? Seeing where we are now, did the vaccines work? or did the virus mutate into something less dangerous? or was it as dangerous as they had made it out to be at first?Ahhh. I see.
So going back to when you said “Well the fact that fda pretty well came out and said that it didn't work and that they were being overly "optimistic" when first describing it's efficacy.”
Did you ever find any support for this that you could point us to?
Hate to be a bother, but that’s a really good reason to not be psyched on the vaccine. I feel like it would be a HUGE media bombshell and something that would be impossible to scrub if either the FDA or CDC did indeed ‘pretty well came out and said that it didn’t work.’
Clearly, the Instagram video you wanted us to see had some similar words for what you might have been looking for in the title/caption, but that couldn’t be the source that informed your understanding. Even if I assume you mistyped FDA but meant CDC, none of that information was in the long version of the interview either (link to unedited full-length video is in PolitiFact article).
Regarding the Canadian COVID Care Alliance video you posted a link to. I watched the first 4 minutes, heard them try to get their audience to believe that publicizing the RRR instead of ARR was misleading.
And to people who don’t understand basic math or statistics, it may have been.
In any event this article explains why manufacturers use RRR instead of ARR. It’s far less nefarious than the Canadian COVID Care Alliance would have its customers believe:
Why Relative Risk Reduction, not Absolute Risk Reduction, is most often used in calculating vaccine efficacy
Corrected spelling of last name in paragraph 12
If you’ve ever wondered about efficacy for other vaccines like Menjugate, Shingrix, tetanus, flu, polio, MMR etc., you’d probably see that they’re all expressed as RRR also.
For a quick dive into the math behind efficacy:
COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean?
It doesn't mean 5% of vaccinated people get infected.
I didn't think we were taking a dive into how I arrived at my understanding, or that anyone would care.
I'll indulge you briefly, half in jest perhaps. You may do the same by answering.
Let's look at things before the vaccine rollout. Were the media, gov and health organizations honest about death stats, then their pivot to "cases". What about the pcr test and it's accuracy? What was said about natural immunity before and now? What about all the masking?
What do you think about the criminal history of pfizer? Knowing that you still deem them trustworthy?
Are you one of those who past mid 2020 still wore a mask outdoors?
There were and are lots of reasons to be skeptical.
Do you think those people deserved to be made second class citizens?
If there is a .01 percent chance of someone shitting themselves, should people be made to wear diapers? If I don't wear a diaper does it make your diaper less likely to work?
They work very similarly, or similarly enough. I’ve certainly never heard a reason why mRNA vaccines should or must be described using ARR while ALL other vaccines should continue to be described RRR. I feel like that would create confusion.
I can see how the anti-vaxx community might want common practice to change
Yes to the first two.
The third probably largely depended on the media or information you consumed initially and consume now, your own risks, the risks of those you interact with, the type of variant, your access to medical care etc.
I recall numbers like 0.1% fatality rates floating around initially. We know in Canada it was about 1.1% heading into Omicron, so for fatality rates at-least, COVID turned out to be more dangerous than it first appeared.
Thanks for indulging me.
Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Putting it in big letters as I’m sure it’ll be buried in this monster of a ‘how do I waste time while my flight is delayed’ post.
I’m still really hoping that you’ll take the time to find that link that informed you RE: ‘fda pretty well came out and said it didn’t work and they were being overly “optimistic” when first describing its efficacy.’
As I said before, that would be an absolute bombshell, and I’m shocked the whole world doesn’t know this truth… assuming it’s accurate.
On death stats:
You’d have to be more specific about that for me to answer. When are we talking about? Which media outlet or government are we talking about?
On the accuracy of PCR tests:
The COVID-19 PCR Test Is Reliable Despite the Commotion About Ct Values
True crime series like Serial and Making a Murderer invite us to sharpen our abilities and to outperform the detectives assigned to the case in figuring out what really happened. We hear the official narrative and we then inspect various clues provided to us by the storyteller, turning them...
www.mcgill.ca
On natural immunity:
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Why Doesn't the U.S. Account for Natural Immunity?
Natural infection can boost immunity to COVID-19. But vaccines are standardized, vetted, and a more dependable way to protect populations at this point in the pandemic.
“What about all the masking?”:
Not sure I understand the question. Some masks are better than others, some need certain masks more than others, and not all settings call for the same type of masks, as has been the case since the beginning of the pandemic.
From Nov. 2020 (Alpha)
- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
From Nov. 2021 (Delta) -https://theconversation.com/amp/evi...9-and-surgical-masks-are-the-way-to-go-167963
From Jan. 2022 (Omicron) -https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-important-things-you-should-know-about-covid-and-masks-now-180979500/
Criminal history of Pfizer:
I’m on a hooker board. I’m not exactly nit-picky about the criminality of people or organizations I support in one way or another. I doubt there’s an established pharma with access to the Canadian market without a few black eyes.List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
It’s been over a year and whatever bombshell the anti-vaxx community is hoping for still hasn’t dropped as far as Pfizer goes. Although, some Facebook groups might tell it differently.
I knew of the lawsuits before the pandemic. I also read Dopesick when it first came out. I owned Pfizer stock before the pandemic and continue to hold some today. Even though I knew about their past, I have used Pfizer products from time to time, and ended up with Pfizer for my vaccinations. I imagine I’ll continue using Pfizer products into the future.
I dont think I’m as fearful of an organization like Pfizer as you seem to be.
Wearing masks outdoors after March 2020:
It depends on the activity.
My running group is ‘masks up’ still. 2 of the 8 of us in the group are physicians, and I trust their judgement as I’m a person that relies on the expertise of experts when it comes to health information. I ski all winter, and masks are required for lift access. I’ve occasionally kept my mask up when walking from a store to my condo if I don’t have free hands to remove it.
If I’m just going on a walk or a run by myself, which is probably the majority of the time, it’s generally off. It’s always off when I hike or bike outside of the core. If I’m sitting/standing with friends outside, it’s off unless I think I’m a risk to the person(s) I’m interacting with.
On Second Class Citizens:
When I think of second class citizens, I think of our past treatment of Canada’s indigenous peoples, women, enemy aliens, immigrants, people with disabilities, racialized peoples etc.
Not being able to dine-in at Wendy’s, hit the Good Life, fly coach to Cancun, or keep that government job you feel entitled to have for life unless you get vaccinated doesn’t meet the bar Canada has unfortunately set for the treatment of actual second class citizens.
I feel like some people mistake inconvenience for oppression. They tend to be on ignore on my social media accounts at this point.
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They work very similarly, or similarly enough. I’ve certainly never heard a reason why mRNA vaccines should or must be described using ARR while ALL other vaccines should continue to be described RRR. I feel like that would create confusion.
I can see how the anti-vaxx community might want common practice to change
Yes to the first two.
The third probably largely depended on the media or information you consumed initially and consume now, your own risks, the risks of those you interact with, the type of variant, your access to medical care etc.
I recall numbers like 0.1% fatality rates floating around initially. We know in Canada it was about 1.1% heading into Omicron, so for fatality rates at-least, COVID turned out to be more dangerous than it first appeared.
Thanks for indulging me.
Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Putting it in big letters as I’m sure it’ll be buried in this monster of a ‘how do I waste time while my flight is delayed’ post.
I’m still really hoping that you’ll take the time to find that link that informed you RE: ‘fda pretty well came out and said it didn’t work and they were being overly “optimistic” when first describing its efficacy.’
As I said before, that would be an absolute bombshell, and I’m shocked the whole world doesn’t know this truth… assuming it’s accurate.
On death stats:
You’d have to be more specific about that for me to answer. When are we talking about? Which media outlet or government are we talking about?
On the accuracy of PCR tests:
The COVID-19 PCR Test Is Reliable Despite the Commotion About Ct Values
True crime series like Serial and Making a Murderer invite us to sharpen our abilities and to outperform the detectives assigned to the case in figuring out what really happened. We hear the official narrative and we then inspect various clues provided to us by the storyteller, turning them...www.mcgill.ca
On natural immunity:
Why Doesn't the U.S. Account for Natural Immunity?
Natural infection can boost immunity to COVID-19. But vaccines are standardized, vetted, and a more dependable way to protect populations at this point in the pandemic.www.verywellhealth.com
“What about all the masking?”:
Not sure I understand the question. Some masks are better than others, some need certain masks more than others, and not all settings call for the same type of masks, as has been the case since the beginning of the pandemic.
From Nov. 2020 (Alpha)
- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
From Nov. 2021 (Delta) -https://theconversation.com/amp/evi...9-and-surgical-masks-are-the-way-to-go-167963
From Jan. 2022 (Omicron) -https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-important-things-you-should-know-about-covid-and-masks-now-180979500/
Criminal history of Pfizer:
List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia
It’s been over a year and whatever bombshell the anti-vaxx community is hoping for still hasn’t dropped as far as Pfizer goes. Although, some Facebook groups might tell it differently.
I knew of the lawsuits before the pandemic. I also read Dopesick when it first came out. I owned Pfizer stock before the pandemic and continue to hold some today. Even though I knew about their past, I have used Pfizer products from time to time, and ended up with Pfizer for my vaccinations. I imagine I’ll continue using Pfizer products into the future.
I dont think I’m as fearful of an organization like Pfizer as you seem to be.
Wearing masks outdoors after March 2020:
It depends on the activity.
My running group is ‘masks up’ still. 2 of the 8 of us in the group are physicians, and I trust their judgement as I’m a person that relies on the expertise of experts when it comes to health information. I ski all winter, and masks are required for lift access. I’ve occasionally kept my mask up when walking from a store to my condo if I don’t have free hands to remove it.
If I’m just going on a walk or a run by myself, which is probably the majority of the time, it’s generally off. It’s always off when I hike or bike outside of the core. If I’m sitting/standing with friends outside, it’s off unless I think I’m a risk to the person(s) I’m interacting with.
On Second Class Citizens:
When I think of second class citizens, I think of our past treatment of Canada’s indigenous peoples, women, enemy aliens, immigrants, people with disabilities, racialized peoples etc.
Not being able to dine-in at Wendy’s, hit the Good Life, fly coach to Cancun, or keep that government job you feel entitled to have for life unless you get vaccinated doesn’t meet the bar Canada has unfortunately set for the treatment of actual second class citizens.
I feel like some people mistake inconvenience for oppression. They tend to be on ignore on my social media accounts at this point.
Oh damn that last paragraph sums up what you are all about. Racialized eh? You forgot to mention Millionaires of Colour.
How racism still affects millionaire donors of color: Report
A new qualitative study of 113 millionaires of color found that nearly all had experienced racial or ethnic bias
abcnews.go.com
So in summary your life for the past 6 years... Please correct me if I missed any.
2016 or so, Orange man bad.
Then it was BLM.
Next Covid.
Dead Native babies.
Then more Covid with some Vaccine action.
Ukraine now, with a bit of Covid residue.
All glued together with a lot of white guilt...
Wow you people.
This guy lives directly across from me. He is normally gone before 7am. His vehicle has been in the driveway all day on and off for past 3 weeks. Went out and asked him what was up. Turns out he has been terminated because he wouldn't vaccinate. He told me about "conspiracy" between Dr. Fauci, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Blackrock to push "dangerous" vaccines for profit.
My daughter is an ICU nurse. She says 85% of patients in her ward and other wards are unvaccinated. So I offered to have her speak to him about her experience. He declined. He is fighting the termination with a lawyer. Nuts will be nuts.
My daughter is an ICU nurse. She says 85% of patients in her ward and other wards are unvaccinated. So I offered to have her speak to him about her experience. He declined. He is fighting the termination with a lawyer. Nuts will be nuts.
My wife has retired and attends a leisure swim session every morning as part of her daily routine.
She knows most of the (mostly ladies) people that turn up every day. They swim, stretch, splash a bit, and chat through the session.
Through Covid, most of the time when the pool was open you had to pre book a space, and once vaccines available, show you were vaxed after you showed up.
Now no pre book, and no proof of vaccine, a few new faces arrive.
One mentions she can come to swim now, since she could not when they asked for proof of vaccine..
Now those words have spread, and everyone stays away and will not talk to this lady.
She knows most of the (mostly ladies) people that turn up every day. They swim, stretch, splash a bit, and chat through the session.
Through Covid, most of the time when the pool was open you had to pre book a space, and once vaccines available, show you were vaxed after you showed up.
Now no pre book, and no proof of vaccine, a few new faces arrive.
One mentions she can come to swim now, since she could not when they asked for proof of vaccine..
Now those words have spread, and everyone stays away and will not talk to this lady.
Every time my wife and I got together with our friends (another couple) we had to listen to their 24 year-old anti-vaxxer son go on about all the usual anti-vaxxer talking points we're used to hearing. Last month, their son started feeling sick. He went for a rapid test and it came back negative. A few days later he started getting really sick so he went to the hospital. This time he tested positive. He remained in hospital for a couple days until he was feeling a little better and able to go home. A few days later his Dad tested positive, only had mild symptoms and after 4-5 days he was pretty much back to normal. His wife never tested positive. His son spent 2 days in hospital, another 6 days in bed at home, has been sick for a total of 3 weeks now and is still unable to go back to work.
I mentioned this story to a nurse friend. She said if she had a $1 for every time she saw sick unvaxxed people show up at her hospital for treatment, she'd be rich. She and her colleagues politely refer to them as "fucking morons!"
I mentioned this story to a nurse friend. She said if she had a $1 for every time she saw sick unvaxxed people show up at her hospital for treatment, she'd be rich. She and her colleagues politely refer to them as "fucking morons!"
Something like a third of those who survive Covid-19 get long Covid to varying degrees which has measurable neurological or physical permanent damage. Covid-19 vaccinations have been shown to significantly reduce morbidity in those that do not succumb to the mortality. Long Covid is now a common cause of disability.
The antivaxxer argument is still an “emperor with no clothes” for many reasons.
There are other studies as well. I posted some of them a while back.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95565-8
