The True Cost of Lockdowns

Malibuk

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I think the true cost of lockdowns are the millions of livelihoods that are being destroyed and the Provincial and Federal credit cards that will be a burden for generations, essentially forever.
 

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I think the true cost of lockdowns are the millions of livelihoods that are being destroyed and the Provincial and Federal credit cards that will be a burden for generations, essentially forever.
In some people's "Very Stable Genius" mind from the outset "The cure has always been worse than the virus".
Thankfully we didn't listen to these uneducated and non factual opinions. ;)
 
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I think the true cost of lockdowns are the millions of livelihoods that are being destroyed and the Provincial and Federal credit cards that will be a burden for generations, essentially forever.
Millions of people's lives ruined in a province of 15 million?

As I've said many times, there is no right to make lots of money and no government obligation to help people do so. Their is a universal government responsibility for keeping citizens alive though.
 

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Millions of people's lives ruined in a province of 15 million?

As I've said many times, there is no right to make lots of money and no government obligation to help people do so. Their is a universal government responsibility for keeping citizens alive though.
I was thinking of Canada but if hundreds of thousands makes you feel better, good for you.
 

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Ignoring that the spike in opioid deaths began 7 or 8 months before any lockdowns.
CERB benefits contributing to spike in overdoses, outreach workers warn
People who work with those struggling with drug addictions are warning that the Canada emergency response benefit program (CERB) — Ottawa's primary support for households left without income due to the pandemic — is helping to fuel illicit drug use and may even have contributed to overdose deaths.
Combined with the effects of physical isolation and an increasingly potent illicit drug supply, she said, the easy-to-access cash has led to troubling and even deadly consequences for some clients of Ottawa's harm reduction services.
Public health officials have been sounding the alarm in recent weeks about a rise in overdose deaths since the pandemic hit.

Spikes in overdoses reported across country
Based on preliminary results from the Ontario coroner's office, there was roughly a 25 per cent increase in overdose deaths in March, April and May of this year, compared to similar data for the previous year.
British Columbia saw a 39 per cent jump in overdose deaths in April compared to the same month last year.
In late May, Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam said the B.C. numbers represent "a worrying trend."

Many outreach workers also say the CERB benefit is putting too much temptation in the way of struggling users by providing sudden infusions of cash with few questions asked.
The benefit was introduced in March to help millions of Canadians left jobless by the pandemic by providing them with $2,000 every four weeks.
Hopkins said she knows of clients who received payments, rented hotel rooms and died alone of overdoses.
There is "no question" that the CERB program is contributing to an increase in overdoses, she said.
Bob Hughes is the CEO of ASK Wellness, which provides social housing and harm reduction services in the British Columbia interior. He said that while the CERB program was well intentioned, its ease of access is putting the addicted at risk.
"I've been in this field many years and I've never seen the amount of money on the streets that I've seen in the past number of months," he said.
The federal government has said it made applying for the CERB as simple as possible in order to ensure Canadians in need get their payments quickly. Applicants are required only to answer a few questions and certify they are telling the truth.
Word that CERB money was easy to get "spread, as you can imagine, like wildfire through a population that is severely addicted," said Hughes.

CERB benefits contributing to spike in overdoses, outreach workers warn | CBC News
 
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I think the true cost of lockdowns are the millions of livelihoods that are being destroyed and the Provincial and Federal credit cards that will be a burden for generations, essentially forever.
Same thing they said about 2009, ten years later the economy was booming.
 

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Same thing they said about 2009, ten years later the economy was booming.
Printing money out of thin air and setting interest rates close to zero was necessary to prevent the financial system from collapsing but it created even more unsustainable debt and bubbles and just kicked the can down the road.
I just hope this house of cards does not collapse but I can't see this ending well long term.
I really hope I am wrong.
 

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Same thing they said about 2009, ten years later the economy was booming.
It's also the same thing posters like Malibuk have said from the beginning and changing the date as they go along. These downturns and millions of livelihoods were already supposed to be lost last April-May 2020, then they changed the date to summer 2020, and then it was January 2021, now the financial burden is going to last generations, essentially forever. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

To say these people ain't got a clue is an understatement. :ROFLMAO:

I think the true cost of lockdowns are the millions of livelihoods that are being destroyed and the Provincial and Federal credit cards that will be a burden for generations, essentially forever.
 

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I was thinking of Canada but if hundreds of thousands makes you feel better, good for you.
Having lived through a parent being suddenly broke and on welfare, I know that it is far easier to regain financial sustainability than it is to be actually resurrected.
 

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Actual provincial data says the spike started September 2019 and numbers have been stable if not slightly down since their peak last May.

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I'll take actual data over anecdotal comments.
The article says contributing, not causing.
What is so hard to believe about that?
Obviously when the government gives away money without any vetting, drug addicts and alcoholics will want to jump all over that opportunity.
 

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Having lived through a parent being suddenly broke and on welfare, I know that it is far easier to regain financial sustainability than it is to be actually resurrected.
These half measured lockdowns could be just delaying the inevitable and in fact making things worse by devastating economies and giving the virus more time to mutate.

While every single life is precious, it is not a certainty that this virus warrants such a response.
We might not have any ammunition left for much worse to come.

Cure worse than the disease? 30 MILLION face starvation as Covid-19 economic shutdown hurts most vulnerable, UN food chief warns
There is a grave danger that many more people will die from the broader economic and social consequences of Covid-19 than from the virus itself, especially in Africa. And the last thing we need is to have the cure be worse than the disease itself.
Beasley isn’t the first UN official to raise alarm over the consequences of lockdowns and other Covid-19 measures. In July, UNICEF Executive Director Henrietta Fore said that “the repercussions of the pandemic are causing more harm to children than the disease itself.” A study published in The Lancet found that the impact of lockdowns and other pandemic mitigation measures could lead to 10,000 additional deaths among children each month.
The WFP chief grabbed headlines in August after he declared that the world is facing a famine of “biblical proportions,” predicting that hunger will likely affect those who didn’t experience it before.

In many nations around the globe, COVID-19 restrictions are crippling economies and forcing many into joblessness. In the Philippines, the rates of hunger are unprecedented, and food charities are struggling to keep up (AFP, December 9, 2020). A director of one food charity observed, “If you go out there everybody will tell you that they’re more afraid of dying from hunger than dying from COVID. They don’t care about COVID anymore.”
According to one source, nearly a third of Philippine families ran short on food in the past three months, and 2.2 million families are currently experiencing “severe hunger.” Dreams of moving out of poverty have been shattered, and some compare the current state of existence to “living like pigs.”

While our world has been focused on the health aspects of COVID-19, hunger is the silent killer ravaging communities in the farthest corners of the globe. We don’t see these victims on the nightly news. We don’t keep a real-time tally of the lives lost. But this doesn’t make these mothers and fathers and children any less important, and it doesn’t minimize the grief of their families.
 
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The article says contributing, not causing.
What is so hard to believe about that?
Obviously when the government gives away money without any vetting, drug addicts and alcoholics will want to jump all over that opportunity.
The overdoses of course are of the type of people who can claim a drop in income as well as the previous years income and qualify for the government giving out the money they qualify for. It's every day average citizens.

I love your made up facts......keep them coming.
 
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Renus

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Printing money out of thin air and setting interest rates close to zero was necessary to prevent the financial system from collapsing but it created even more unsustainable debt and bubbles and just kicked the can down the road.
I just hope this house of cards does not collapse but I can't see this ending well long term.
I really hope I am wrong.
The road started with Ronald Reagan and neo-liberalism, in the 1980's.

A very long road it seems ...
 
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