Only if it hits bone mass, about a 1.5 inch target, covered by pants and skin so it can't be aimed at, and likely moving.. People high on drugs, drunk, or in a psychotic episode may not even feel that they are shot. Hear about the Pennsylvania cop who got in a gunfight trying to arrest a guy, the cops bullet went through the guys arm and killed the bad guys 12 year old daughter? http://www.torontosun.com/2016/01/2...fatal-shooting-during-eviction-father-charged
The Trial Of Officer James Forcillo
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People who don't think it's a difficult shot to pull off only feel that way because they are ignorant and have no firsthand experience. Playing Duck Hunt in the 80s isn't a good indication of how "easy" it is to shoot a gun accurately, in a stressful environment.
You missed the point. I want them held to a higher standard. Period. I want guys like Forcillo off the force BEFORE they do something criminal. Waiting until he kills somebody is too late.
And BULLSHIT on the charter challenge. An employer can fire you for conduct that brings disrepute on the organization. It happens ALL THE TIME. So long as you aren't discriminating on the basis of race, religion, national origin, gender, etc, you can fire somebody for practically any reason. The ONLY reason it is different for police is that poorly written act, which should be corrected.
To wit, Walmart can fire employees for not smiling cheerfully enough at customers. That is legal. If Walmart can fire you for not smiling we surely can fire police officers who threaten or use force inappropriately, where there was an alternative approach, whether or not their action was criminal.
In this case consider the first volley. The jury returned a not guilty verdict, let's assume as BC does that makes it perfectly legal. It still wasn't acceptable. The only justification was a potential threat to Forcillo himself, and only because Forcillo himself closed to an unsafe distance putting himself at risk. Had he himself backed off he wouldn't have been in danger.
Criminal? No. Acceptable? No. Throw guys like that out. They create the risks through their inappropriate behavior even if it isn't criminal, it shouldn't meet the standard to remain a police officer.
Well this is precisely the problem. Nobody really knows what was going through forcillo's mind accept forcillo. The reality is, he got the scene, Drew is gone and yelled "drop the knife". Then he said "I swear to go you take one more fucking step and I'll shoot you". I kid on drugs and not in the right state of mind, takes a very minimal step, and forcillo pretty much empty's his clip. If this is how police officers are trained, then we have a serious problem
And as an extension of my previous post, I myself have had drug and alchohal problems. I also deal with mental health issues. If yatim really wanted to hurt someone, he had ample opportunities, but he didn't did he? I think it was a kid crying for help, and instead of help, he got shot to death. If I was holding knife on an empty street car, I sure as shit would hope if I didn't take a little step I would filled with bullets.
I would hope a police officer would say "hey, we're going to get you help. Just hang in there. We have people on the way that are going to hekp you". ANYTHING would have been more effective than what forcillo did.
Again, I bet there are tons of great cops on the force that would have handled this a war that we wouldn't even be taking about this
I would hope a police officer would say "hey, we're going to get you help. Just hang in there. We have people on the way that are going to hekp you". ANYTHING would have been more effective than what forcillo did.
Again, I bet there are tons of great cops on the force that would have handled this a war that we wouldn't even be taking about this
Listen very carefully to the video, there is an officer that tells Forcillo not to do it. And the blasts went off one second later. I believe its the officer who came in on a bike. But I can't be sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6OTyjzAgg
Thats just some dude with alot of time on his hands to make 65000 posts on a sex forum. Normal people want to feel safe when they pay 3 bucks to ride the streetcar and not have to worry about some tard waving a kinfe at us. So ya..im Thankful the guys who are paid to keep us safe are doing so. And there is one person who pulled a knife on inmocent People that wont get that chance again.
if your disgusted about your views youre not alone in that.I'm wasn't talking about the video.
yeah I can hear the voice say "don't do it", but it's impossible to say who said it and who they were talking to.
One bad cop? Hundreds more like him right here in town that will do the job you can only post about how mad you are they do it. You wlll probably be making even more useless posts about anothr cop soon enough. Too bad it will be in this forum again and nowhere important.
Story of your life. Do us a favour. Get a knife.
Here is a letter in the Toronto Star that confirms my thoughts on the verdict i.e. the jury could not agree on a murder or attempted murder so negotiated a guilty on something verdict.
This letter writer does a good job of explaining it
The jury made the best of an impossible situation. They knew they couldn’t let Const. Forcillo get away scot-free after killing Yatim, but they also didn’t have the courage to convict a cop of murder. The “cops are tops” mentality is still too pervasive for that.
To me the verdict demonstrated the wisdom of Solomon. It was savvy and wise. When it was announced, the relief on the streets of Toronto was palpable. Not perfect, but some justice was meted out.
When I saw once more the famous picture of the doomed youth in the empty streetcar on the Star’s front page, I thought again of Crocodile Dundee’s line from the Hollywood movie, “that’s not a knife; this is a knife.” Yatim should not have died. Cops are not 007s. They don’t – or shouldn’t – have a licence to kill.
Police spokespeople have publicly worried that the verdict will “send a chill through the force.” But if a chill is what it takes to soothe the itchy trigger fingers of cops like Forcillo, then it’s exactly what we need. These men and women are given public permission to patrol our streets armed with increasingly deadly force. It’s time they understood that public scrutiny is part of that privilege – scrutiny that will become a bit uncomfortable now and then. Or are we supposed to look the other way when a citizen is killed?
As your editorial notes, the verdict will be small comfort to the Yatim family, but at least it’s something. And the Star deserves credit for its excellent series on police abuse and accountability in the GTA, “Breaking badge.” I believe that it has helped to shift our outdated attitudes towards the police.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editors/2016/01/30/the-forcillo-verdict.html
This letter writer does a good job of explaining it
The jury made the best of an impossible situation. They knew they couldn’t let Const. Forcillo get away scot-free after killing Yatim, but they also didn’t have the courage to convict a cop of murder. The “cops are tops” mentality is still too pervasive for that.
To me the verdict demonstrated the wisdom of Solomon. It was savvy and wise. When it was announced, the relief on the streets of Toronto was palpable. Not perfect, but some justice was meted out.
When I saw once more the famous picture of the doomed youth in the empty streetcar on the Star’s front page, I thought again of Crocodile Dundee’s line from the Hollywood movie, “that’s not a knife; this is a knife.” Yatim should not have died. Cops are not 007s. They don’t – or shouldn’t – have a licence to kill.
Police spokespeople have publicly worried that the verdict will “send a chill through the force.” But if a chill is what it takes to soothe the itchy trigger fingers of cops like Forcillo, then it’s exactly what we need. These men and women are given public permission to patrol our streets armed with increasingly deadly force. It’s time they understood that public scrutiny is part of that privilege – scrutiny that will become a bit uncomfortable now and then. Or are we supposed to look the other way when a citizen is killed?
As your editorial notes, the verdict will be small comfort to the Yatim family, but at least it’s something. And the Star deserves credit for its excellent series on police abuse and accountability in the GTA, “Breaking badge.” I believe that it has helped to shift our outdated attitudes towards the police.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editors/2016/01/30/the-forcillo-verdict.html
And all of them higher quality posts than the factless ramblings you and RT post. RT is venting because I confronted him with actual fact, the fact that a Canadian jury found Forcilli's actions so appalling that they sent him to prison.
You are still stung by having been shown up on the illegal immigrant thread, where you got ridiculed for refusing to accept that illegal immigrants subsidize social security even after you heard directly from the SSA's chief actuary who confirmed they do.
I always upset people who base their opinion on nonsense and prejudice instead of fact and reason.
