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The Surge: Still Working
by Roger D. Carstens
Posted: 01/14/2008

In the past few weeks there has noticeable lack of reporting about the success of our forces in Iraq. The silence had been deafening. When the success of the surge was in doubt, newspapers, news shows and the internet treated us to a daily onslaught of reports on casualties, bombings and IED attacks. But now that the surge is clearly seen as working, few seem to be talking about it.

And that can make it fail.

In a war that most experts and our enemies agree is informational in nature, communicating battlefield success is critical to shoring up U.S. public opinion and political will and thus convincing our enemies that they are fighting a war that they cannot win.

That the surge is working is beyond dispute. All of the major measurable indicators support this conclusion, as they highlight a steady reduction in the amount of violence, increased Iraqi military capacity, and the destruction of extremist elements.

Attacks, for example, which had been steadily increasing for over two years, have been consistently declining since June of 2007. Improvised Explosive Device (IED) ambushes have also dropped during this same time period.

Additionally, Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) – defined as military and police units -- have increased by a number of 110 thousand during the last year. More importantly, these forces have also experienced a dramatic increase in capability as well, with many of these units conducting independent operations -- an achievement that would have been unthinkable only one year ago.

Another key measurement -- U.S. casualty figures -- is trending lower, showing a steady reduction in both wounded and killed in action since the summer of 2007.

Civilian deaths -- perhaps the most important indicator of a reduction in the overall level of violence in Iraq -- are also being reported at the lowest levels in almost two years.

Lastly, many military experts agree that Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has been tactically defeated and is desperately trying to reorganize, reconstitute and regenerate its forces. Operation Phantom Phoenix - the massive military offensive launched last week by coalition forces - will have the effect of smoking out pockets of AQI resistance and denying them a chance to catch their breath. Translation: AQI is still on the run and they are being denied a chance to even stop and lick their wounds.


The bottom line here is that the surge is succeeding. Yet for the most part, these stories of success are going unreported in the media.

Why this lack of reporting is so important is that war is a test of will between two sides, in which each side is trying to break the other's will to continue the struggle.

As such, it is not enough to be measurably winning. You must also put effort into communicating your success to your citizens, your political leaders, and your enemy.

Simple enough? Our enemies think so.

Al Qaeda and its associated movements (AQAM) have realized that they are fighting an informational war and that victory for them consists in part of convincing the adherents of Islam that they are winning while convincing the U.S. at its allies that we are loosing. They are therefore waging a continuous 24/7 information operations campaign to showcase their victories, downplay (or deny) their losses, and paint a vision of their political and military future. Madison Avenue has nothing on these guys -- and business schools would do well to study them.

Contrast that with the U.S. model of reporting our defeats, missteps and miscues while ignoring our victories and progress.

One gets the sense that we might pull another Vietnam and end up winning every battle and yet loosing the war.

What is needed here is not necessarily an information operations campaign ala AQAM, but just some good, honest reporting about coalition gains. That's it. By simply stating the facts, the American citizen, his political representatives, and our enemies might just get the idea that we are winning.

Communicating victory will have two political/military effects. Tactically and operationally, it will make it less likely that Islamic extremist elements will receive needed support in terms of money, sanctuary and recruits. Ideology aside, no one likes to support or join a losing venture.

Strategically, it will increase the probability that Islamist leaders will challenge the right of Al Qaeda to wage war, as it is against Islamic law to start a jihad you cannot win. The result would be that AQAM would be declared to be "illegal warriors," conducting an illegitimate jihad.

So the takeaway lesson here is that in war -- like so many other things -- perception is reality. In the case of the surge, however, the reality is not being perceived. And that can lose a war.
 

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congratulations. the us is finally making progress in winning a completely unnecessary conflict. I could see why you would want to crow.
 

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DonQuixote said:
Is the government working?
The quality of a democracy is a reflection of the people in it, we're all painfully aware of that....

DonQuixote said:
AQ wasn't the threat, it's the civil war between
Shiite and Sunni. Or, have I been misled by media
propaganda?
They have both been a threat at one time, as I would say was Iran...... The tide has turned, let's hope it stays that way.

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The Surge has reduced fighting in iraq;
The Surge helped defeat communism;
The Surge invented the telephone;
The Surge can beat Chuck Norris with one arm tied behind its back.
 

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What's interesting is that the Republican candidates, with the exception of McCain, don't seem to be talking much about it lately either. Not sure if that's a reaction to wait and see, or if all candidates wish Iraq would just go away. Meanwhile the government in Iraq continues to do nothing, and the US still doesn't have it's coveted oil law. Until that happens, and Big Oil has been sated, we won't make any serious attempt to disengage.
 

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Asterix said:
What's interesting is that the Republican candidates, with the exception of McCain, don't seem to be talking much about it lately either. Not sure if that's a reaction to wait and see, or if all candidates wish Iraq would just go away. Meanwhile the government in Iraq continues to do nothing, and the US still doesn't have it's coveted oil law. Until that happens, and Big Oil has been sated, we won't make any serious attempt to disengage.
Mc Cain is a near do well...........Sorry DQ but he is a willow amongst oaks
 

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Where are things going in Iraq? I think it's only prudent to be cautious about evaluating the situation there. I found interesting the sentiments from this Atlantic Monthly blog.

jwm

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/the-surge-wins.html

The Surge Wins One
13 Jan 2008 05:40 pm


For the past several months, those of us skeptical that the surge is big enough or powerful enough to put the genie of a unraveling sectarian Iraq back into the bottle have had little evidence to gainsay us. The reduction of violence to 2005 levels remains a great achievement, but it is not directly related to the professed point of the surge, which was national political reconciliation. In fact, in some ways, Petraeus' pragmatic responses to local and regional forces have made greater calm more dependent on a fractured and decentralized Iraq, with various militias, tribes and politicians in various areas making their own deals with the US and one another to secure local control.

But the passage of the law allowing for more Sunnis and former Baathists to take part in the national government's structure is new. It's a genuine success of the kind we were once promised. It's the first actual data point that suggests some kind of reconciliation may be possible in Baghdad. Nonetheless, I don't think it's churlish to be cautious. There are many, many caveats in the press, let alone in the Byzantine and treacherous currents of Iraqi politics. There's a chance that reigniting these issues at the center could spark more violence in the regions. Then there's doubt about the actual law itself:

While the measure would reinstate many former Baathists, some political leaders said it would also force thousands of other former party members out of current government jobs and into retirement — especially in the security forces, where American military officials have worked hard to increase the role of Sunnis. One member of Iraq’s current de-Baathification committee said the law could even push 7,000 active Interior Ministry employees into retirement.

I guess we'll find out soon enough what's really there. Petraeus has wisely refrained from triumphalism of any kind and seemed to emphasize local, bottom-up efforts rather than national ones:

"Reconciliation is more than national legislation. It is also what we’re seeing in the provinces and around the country. There is more political activity. There is more cross-sectarian political activity."

What does all this mean? No one can know for sure. Except for this: if there is any indication of national reconciliation, even if it is fleeting and ephemeral and qualified, the argument for sinking more money and time into Iraq will, it seems to me, gain strength.

If the Congress couldn't force withdrawal in the circumstances of last summer, I can't see how it will do so in the future when the war's objectives seem marginally less out-of-reach. In other words, I suspect that the fundamental quid-pro-quo offered to the anti-war forces - once we get calm, we can withdraw - is in fact the reverse of the truth. The more calm there is, the more the basic rationale of the neocons will revive: this is part of an empire we can keep. So why go anywhere?

Since the failure of nerve by the opposition last summer, the US has effectively decided to occupy Iraq for the rest of our lives. We had a choice: ten months or ten years, and by default we picked the latter - and, according to McCain, it's more like a hundred years. This is very hard to undo, given the quicksand of a Muslim country that requires you either get out quickly or settle in for a looong occupation. Whether the Iraq that emerges is a meaningful state, or whether it is an effectively dismembered hodge-podge of regions held together by US troops and local forces, becomes less relevant once you accept Bush's premise that the US has absorbed the area as a client state for the indefinite future. He has had five years to entrench this into the global order and American politics and, simply by not budging, he has changed the facts on the ground. Iraq, I suspect, is now America's for ever - something Iraqis will always resent but never be able to reverse.

Some withdrawal of troops may well be possible in the years ahead, if we're lucky. But the only real question will be the prudence and method of various ways to lighten the load. I doubt Bush will withdraw below the pre-surge level in the next year. A president McCain would be able to but seems unable to tolerate any indication that we're cutting our losses. A president Clinton will be the most constrained: terrified of being tarnished as soft on terror, the Clintonites will retain their defensive crouch and be forced to keep more troops there to protect their right flank than even a Republican might. Obama? He's a pragmatist. He won't be able to get us out of there as quickly as he now seems to imply. Perhaps, he can negotiate a better deal. But he's not a miracle worker, and six years of occupation make the interlocking destinies of both countries more and more hard to disentangle.

Welcome to Empire: an endless, grueling slog in treacherous places where no one loves us, but which we cannot leave. Fewer casualties perhaps (and that, of course, is a wonderful thing); but more debt, more money, more treasure, more risk, more Muslim resentment and more blowback in the end. But marginally cheaper oil in the long run, perhaps. Lovely, isn't it?
 

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Asterix said:
What`s interesting is that the Republican candidates, with the exception of McCain, don`t seem to be talking much about it lately either. Not sure if that`s a reaction to wait and see, or if all candidates wish Iraq would just go away.
Is the most recently televised Repulican debate lately enough to be talking about Iraq?

Ron Paul went head to head with McCain on the issue of Iraq: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1977957

Later in the debate, Ron Paul used Iraq as an example of how the Republican Party has lost it`s way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqM5E1Yie4
 

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jwmorrice said:
Where are things going in Iraq? I think it's only prudent to be cautious about evaluating the situation there. I found interesting the sentiments from this Atlantic Monthly blog.

jwm

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/the-surge-wins.html

The Surge Wins One
13 Jan 2008 05:40 pm


For the past several months, those of us skeptical that the surge is big enough or powerful enough to put the genie of a unraveling sectarian Iraq back into the bottle have had little evidence to gainsay us. The reduction of violence to 2005 levels remains a great achievement, but it is not directly related to the professed point of the surge, which was national political reconciliation. In fact, in some ways, Petraeus' pragmatic responses to local and regional forces have made greater calm more dependent on a fractured and decentralized Iraq, with various militias, tribes and politicians in various areas making their own deals with the US and one another to secure local control.

But the passage of the law allowing for more Sunnis and former Baathists to take part in the national government's structure is new. It's a genuine success of the kind we were once promised. It's the first actual data point that suggests some kind of reconciliation may be possible in Baghdad. Nonetheless, I don't think it's churlish to be cautious. There are many, many caveats in the press, let alone in the Byzantine and treacherous currents of Iraqi politics. There's a chance that reigniting these issues at the center could spark more violence in the regions. Then there's doubt about the actual law itself:

While the measure would reinstate many former Baathists, some political leaders said it would also force thousands of other former party members out of current government jobs and into retirement — especially in the security forces, where American military officials have worked hard to increase the role of Sunnis. One member of Iraq’s current de-Baathification committee said the law could even push 7,000 active Interior Ministry employees into retirement.

I guess we'll find out soon enough what's really there. Petraeus has wisely refrained from triumphalism of any kind and seemed to emphasize local, bottom-up efforts rather than national ones:

"Reconciliation is more than national legislation. It is also what we’re seeing in the provinces and around the country. There is more political activity. There is more cross-sectarian political activity."

What does all this mean? No one can know for sure. Except for this: if there is any indication of national reconciliation, even if it is fleeting and ephemeral and qualified, the argument for sinking more money and time into Iraq will, it seems to me, gain strength.

If the Congress couldn't force withdrawal in the circumstances of last summer, I can't see how it will do so in the future when the war's objectives seem marginally less out-of-reach. In other words, I suspect that the fundamental quid-pro-quo offered to the anti-war forces - once we get calm, we can withdraw - is in fact the reverse of the truth. The more calm there is, the more the basic rationale of the neocons will revive: this is part of an empire we can keep. So why go anywhere?

Since the failure of nerve by the opposition last summer, the US has effectively decided to occupy Iraq for the rest of our lives. We had a choice: ten months or ten years, and by default we picked the latter - and, according to McCain, it's more like a hundred years. This is very hard to undo, given the quicksand of a Muslim country that requires you either get out quickly or settle in for a looong occupation. Whether the Iraq that emerges is a meaningful state, or whether it is an effectively dismembered hodge-podge of regions held together by US troops and local forces, becomes less relevant once you accept Bush's premise that the US has absorbed the area as a client state for the indefinite future. He has had five years to entrench this into the global order and American politics and, simply by not budging, he has changed the facts on the ground. Iraq, I suspect, is now America's for ever - something Iraqis will always resent but never be able to reverse.

Some withdrawal of troops may well be possible in the years ahead, if we're lucky. But the only real question will be the prudence and method of various ways to lighten the load. I doubt Bush will withdraw below the pre-surge level in the next year. A president McCain would be able to but seems unable to tolerate any indication that we're cutting our losses. A president Clinton will be the most constrained: terrified of being tarnished as soft on terror, the Clintonites will retain their defensive crouch and be forced to keep more troops there to protect their right flank than even a Republican might. Obama? He's a pragmatist. He won't be able to get us out of there as quickly as he now seems to imply. Perhaps, he can negotiate a better deal. But he's not a miracle worker, and six years of occupation make the interlocking destinies of both countries more and more hard to disentangle.

Welcome to Empire: an endless, grueling slog in treacherous places where no one loves us, but which we cannot leave. Fewer casualties perhaps (and that, of course, is a wonderful thing); but more debt, more money, more treasure, more risk, more Muslim resentment and more blowback in the end. But marginally cheaper oil in the long run, perhaps. Lovely, isn't it?

I think the analysis is interesting, not so sure about the conclusion though.

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Asterix said:
I said Republican candidates. Ron Paul is one in name only.
Ten terms as a Republican congressman is not enough to be considered Republican?

You should watch the second clip I linked. Ron Paul has not moved away from the Republican Party. The Republican Party has moved away from him.
 

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Last January when Bush announced the surge, he said that:

  • Iraqi government would be responsible for security throughout Iraq by November
  • Oil revenue sharing would be enacted,
  • Provincial elections would be held in 2007
  • De-Baathification laws would be passed.

How'd he do BOT?

My count? 0/4.
 

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DonQuixote said:
Its now 1/4 since the de-Baathification laws
were repealed. Quite a success story, eh.
bottie is content with 'surge' results.
bot, yet still a loyal bushie, sets his bar very very very low!.....;)
 

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DonQuixote said:
Its now 1/4 since the de-Baathification laws
were repealed. Quite a success story, eh.;)
Yes, but uhhh, not so fast.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/world/middleeast/14iraq.html?ref=world

Ex-Baathists Get a Break. Or Do They?
By SOLOMON MOORE
Published: January 14, 2008


BAGHDAD — A day after the Iraqi Parliament passed legislation billed as the first significant political step forward in Iraq after months of deadlock, there were troubling questions — and troubling silences — about the measure’s actual effects.

The measure, known as the Justice and Accountability Law, is meant to open government jobs to former members of the Baath Party of Saddam Hussein — the bureaucrats, engineers, city workers, teachers, soldiers and police officers who made the government work until they were barred from office after the American invasion in 2003.

But the legislation is at once confusing and controversial, a document riddled with loopholes and caveats to the point that some Sunni and Shiite officials say it could actually exclude more former Baathists than it lets back in, particularly in the crucial security ministries.

Under that interpretation, the law would be directly at odds with the American campaign to draft Sunni Arabs into so-called Awakening militias with the aim of integrating them into the police and military forces. That plan has been praised as a key to the sharp drop in violence over the past year and as being the most effective weapon against jihadi insurgents like Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.
And Iraq's security?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/world/middleeast/15military.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

Minister Sees Need for U.S. Help in Iraq Until 2018
By THOM SHANKER
Published: January 15, 2008


FORT MONROE, Va. — The Iraqi defense minister said Monday that his nation would not be able to take full responsibility for its internal security until 2012, nor be able on its own to defend Iraq’s borders from external threat until at least 2018.
Hot diggity! Just in time for little Miss BOTIE to graduate from T-ball and enlist in the armed forces so she can keep her daddy safe.
 
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lenharper said:
congratulations. the us is finally making progress in winning a completely unnecessary conflict. I could see why you would want to crow.
Exactly. And I wonder why people continue to NOT talk about the 650,000 people that were killed over absolutely nothing. Onthebottom, isn't that a more important unreported thing???? A recent study found that the average American thinks that just 7000 people were killed as a result of the Iraqi War. Why do you suppose that is? And why isn't that more important to you and everyone else?

"The surge is working". Fuck me. Measured against what? The unmitigated disaster it was before? Jesus.
 

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TOVisitor said:
Hot diggity! Just in time for little Miss BOTIE to graduate from T-ball and enlist in the armed forces so she can keep her daddy safe.
LOL!!!!!!
Protecting dear ole daddy from terrorists!!!!!!
Now that's some serious 'family values' indeed!......:D
 

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Mao Tse Tongue said:
Exactly. And I wonder why people continue to NOT talk about the 650,000 people that were killed over absolutely nothing. Onthebottom, isn't that a more important unreported thing???? A recent study found that the average American thinks that just 7000 people were killed as a result of the Iraqi War. Why do you suppose that is? And why isn't that more important to you and everyone else?

"The surge is working". Fuck me. Measured against what? The unmitigated disaster it was before? Jesus.
I think there are two reasons; one - that there are no reliable figures, two - that this is a result of Iraq on Iraq violence that was happening (although sponsored by the government) before the invasion.

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GAO Division Director Testified That Reduction in Violence in Iraq Is Largely Due to the Ethnic Cleansing That Has Already Occurred Throughout the Country. In testimony to the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs, the Director of International and Trade Division, Joe Christoff, testified, “I'm not going to answer that one, but I can talk a little bit about ethnic cleansing, because I think that's an important consideration in even assessing the overall security situation in Iraq. You know, we look at the attack data going down, but it's not taking into consideration the fact that there might be fewer attacks because you have ethnically cleansed neighborhoods, particularly in the Baghdad area.” [Hearing of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operation and Related Programs, 10/30/07]

The surge worked in Iraq all right. As Fareed Zakaria, Editor of Newsweek International, said, "..the American Army has presided over the largest ethnic cleansing in the world since the Balkans."
 
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