The SUI and Cops: What in God's Name Are They Doing?

nottyboi

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(Talking about the Sammy Yatim streetcar case, here.)

No -- the cop (james forcillo) is already charged with 2nd degree murder. So the prosecution has to prove (i) that the homicide took place, (ii) that JF had formed the intention to kill SY, (iii) that JF actually did deliberately and purposefully commit the act that resulted in SY's death.

All those elements are unmistakably clear from the video. Obviously, the cop can't argue that someone else committed the homicide. Nor that it was an accident.

There's no premeditation -- but they don't need to prove premeditation for 2nd degree murder.

From the video, it seems inescapable that JF is guilty of 2nd degree murder. I assume that will be proved beyond doubt, straight off the bat, in his trial. JF's only hope is that he can prove he was acting in self-defence. And he must prove that he was -- the prosecution does not have to prove that he wasn't.

Naturally, the court and the jury will be disposed to believe that any officier who shoots someone was indeed acting in self-defence. But this time, the offiicer must explain how the facts that are evident from the video can be squared with his theory of self-defence -- which is going to be tough.
Nope no way. To make that stick some intent of malice needs to be introduced. Forcillo was only at the scene on duty and proving he had any agenda to kill Yatim will be almost impossible. His lawyers will just say it was a stressful stuation and he overreacted.
 

oldjones

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Problem is they often don't know who the good guy or bad guys are, so they treat everyone who get in their way or disagree with them like suspects or enemies.
And when guys call them thugs in uniform and act as if cops trying to do a job are an occupying army, they only reinforce and justify that that police mindset.
 

rhuarc29

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Carla Abogado death: Family files $2M lawsuit against police.

Good I say!
Good? What the hell's good about that? It comes out of taxpayer's pockets. You know, those people who had nothing to do with the incident but will have to foot the bill anyway?

It's an individual whose guilty, not the institution.
 

wilbur

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Good? What the hell's good about that? It comes out of taxpayer's pockets. You know, those people who had nothing to do with the incident but will have to foot the bill anyway?

It's an individual whose guilty, not the institution.
And when the institution has all the money in the world (your money) to prosecute someone in order to break them financially when they can't otherwise win, everybody pays for that also.

Taxpayers pay for these organisations' operations, so those organisations are answerable to these same taxpayers. Very often, they are not. It's up to taxpayers to elect politicians that keep those organisations under control. When we don't, we pay. The SIU is a bad joke, and failure to correct the situation comes back to the people we elect.
 

GameBoy27

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Good? What the hell's good about that? It comes out of taxpayer's pockets. You know, those people who had nothing to do with the incident but will have to foot the bill anyway?

It's an individual whose guilty, not the institution.
If you were convicted of dangerous driving causing the death of my daughter, I'd sure as hell sue your ass. But because it was a taxpayer funded police officer the family shouldn't sue? Although the civil case will likely only proceed if the the officer is found guilty. If he's guilty they won't likely be awarded that much anyway.
 

wilbur

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If you were convicted of dangerous driving causing the death of my daughter, I'd sure as hell sue your ass. But because it was a taxpayer funded police officer the family shouldn't sue? Although the civil case will likely only proceed if the the officer is found guilty. If he's guilty they won't likely be awarded that much anyway.

They will probably settle out of court, with an agreement to not divulge the terms of the settlement. The 2 million dollars claimed it the opening shot. Any lawyer will advise their client to start high, because you never get what you originally claimed for.
 

GameBoy27

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Jury is split at the moment. Cops defence was that she was jaywalking. Maybe so but he was travelling 55 km/h over the limit, at night on a city street. Being a police officer, he of all people should know how dangerous that is. I hope he gets convicted.
 

GameBoy27

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Judge declared a mistrial. I guess there will be another trial.
 
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