The SUI and Cops: What in God's Name Are They Doing?

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Family hurting amid SIU silence on police-car fatality

Carla Abogado was killed in February when she was struck by an unmarked police car. Ten weeks later, the SIU investigation is still ongoing.



By: Zoe McKnight Staff Reporter, Published on Sun Apr 27 2014 Toronto Star



Nastasha Carla Abogado died after she was hit by an unmarked York Regional Police vehicle on Feb. 13. Her family is still awaiting the outcome of an SIU investigation.

Months after her death, the family and friends of Nastasha Carla Abogado still have no idea how her final moments unfolded before she was struck and killed by an unmarked police car.

Abogado died Feb. 12. The 18-year-old was crossing the street after getting off a bus near St. Clair Ave. E. near Warden Ave. She was hit by a York Regional Police car that was unmarked but driven by an on-duty officer.

The teen, who went by the name Carla, had been returning home from her retail job. She died at the scene. The provincial Special Investigations Unit is probing the incident but no information has been released in the nearly 10 weeks since her death.

Those close to the teen have started a social media campaign, #JusticeForCarla, seeking answers.

“Family & friends are STILL searching for answers regarding the accident,” reads a posting on the Facebook page. “Carla was just 18 years old when she was struck & killed by an unmarked police car just steps away from her Scarborough home. There are still NO details about the accident.”

Flyers showing a black truck with its left front end crumpled were also distributed, asking for witnesses to phone the family home.

Carla’s father Guillermo Abogado has trouble sleeping at night and hasn’t been able to return to work. More information would help bring some closure, he said.

He and wife Sonia have retained a lawyer and asked the SIU for a meeting. Since there is no “final report,” a meeting hasn’t been arranged, Abogado said. The SIU could not be reached for comment Sunday.

“They are still doing some investigation. It’s not finished yet,” said Abogado, who came to Canada from the Philippines in 2003.

What the family wants is simple: “the truth about the incident and what really happened,” Abogado said Sunday, the day after a memorial mass was held for his eldest daughter at St. Maria Goretti Catholic Church. She has been described as deeply religious, with an interest in math and art, and plans to become a nurse.

“I’m confident the justice system here is one of the best, so I will just hope for justice for my daughter.”

Carla’s brother Paul, 15 and Paula, 13, are also struggling.

“It’s hard but I’m coping,” Paula said. She and her big sister had planned a future of shopping sprees and children together. “Now she’s gone and I had to change all my life plans,” she said. “(Carla) would always give me advice on what to do or what to wear. Now it’s going to be harder, because I don’t know what to do sometimes.”




Ten weeks have thus far expired and still ABSOLUTE ZERO.

What would normally take less than a few hours or an on the spot call to 'charge, arrest and explain it to the judge' decision were it not a cop involved, certainly begs the question just WTF is the SIU doing except maybe trying to find something, anything so that they will not have to charge one of their own kind.

Case after case where the SIU/cops are involved, the delays stretching into months and months before any decision is reached, certainly provides credence to the thoughts of preferential treatment allotted to cops.

WTF are they waiting for?
 

MattRoxx

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Ten weeks have transpired, not 'expired'.

The family will end up disappointed when the SIU determines the cop did nothing wrong.
 

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What a tragedy for everyone involved. That beautiful girl had her whole life ahead of her.

But to my untrained eye, there appears to be a ton of front-end damage, and that is a TRUCK, not a scrawny little Prius the cop was driving.... accidents are accidents, but if someone was speeding or driving carelessly, there MUST be accountability. If I were her father, I'd be going crazy too. So sad
 

GameBoy27

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There's an awful lot of damage on that truck to be cause by striking a person at 60 km/h. If it didn't run into something else after hitting her then I'd say he was going at a high rate of speed. That might explain why she misjudged the vehicle's speed when she crossed the street. I wonder if the truck was equipped with an event data recorder (black box)?
 

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There's an awful lot of damage on that truck to be cause by striking a person at 60 km/h.
I'm sure the SUI has noticed that fact and will attribute it to the teen running up and throwing herself against the vehicle at 30 kph.

It's a bizarre world out there. I just read where a motorist that hit a teen riding a bicycle from behind in an SUV killing him is now suing the dead teen for over $1 million for mental anguish.
 

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One question is, what was a York Region officer doing well outside York region while on duty?
 

GameBoy27

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One question is, what was a York Region officer doing well outside York region while on duty?
Not so unusual. Police officers from other jurisdictions often travel to Toronto hospitals while on duty.
 

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Is it possible to do that kind of damage to a vehicle by hitting a person at anything close to the speed limit? Holy cow!!! Must have been quite a horrific scene.
 

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I've seen police cars violate traffic rules on many many times. You are a fool not to stay out of the way for these thugs in uniform.
 

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I've seen police cars violate traffic rules on many many times. You are a fool not to stay out of the way for these thugs in uniform.
Yup they're all thugs.

They are able to push the rules of the road, but they'd better not get caught or cause damage/death. Not all responses to a call are done under siren, so you have no idea if they are on one or not. Even fire trucks and ambulances can go through red lights and speed, BUT if they cause an accident or worse, they can be held responsible.
 

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Yup they're all thugs.

They are able to push the rules of the road, but they'd better not get caught or cause damage/death. Not all responses to a call are done under siren, so you have no idea if they are on one or not. Even fire trucks and ambulances can go through red lights and speed, BUT if they cause an accident or worse, they can be held responsible.
They are not entitled to speed or run lights when their siren is off, if they are responding to a call without lights and siren, they are expected to drive according to the rules of the road.

The problem is the culture of tolerance for police abuse. Traffic police who pull over an unmarked or off duty officer and then let them go without a ticket should be immediately terminated. Instead, winking and nudging take place, the abusive behavior is tolerated, even encouraged.
 

GameBoy27

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Yup they're all thugs.

They are able to push the rules of the road, but they'd better not get caught or cause damage/death. Not all responses to a call are done under siren, so you have no idea if they are on one or not. Even fire trucks and ambulances can go through red lights and speed, BUT if they cause an accident or worse, they can be held responsible.
Fire and EMS can go through red lights but are required to stop to ensure the way is clear before proceeding.
 

blackrock13

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Fire and EMS can go through red lights but are required to stop to ensure the way is clear before proceeding.
In other words they can go through red lights and intersections when the way is clear, same thing, different words. If the public does as they should, all traffic should pull over, stop, and/or give way, making the way clear. Unfortunately it doesn't always happen. The point was 'if' first responders fail to negotiate an intersection successfully/safely, that they can be held responsible. 'You' can't legally go through against a red light controlled intersection at all.
 

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Fire and EMS can go through red lights but are required to stop to ensure the way is clear before proceeding.
Same rules apply to police. Any accident they cause, no matter how they're responding, they are accountable for.

Exceptions are ingrained in the HTA:

The speed limits prescribed under this section or any regulation or by-law passed under this section do not apply to a police department vehicle being used in the lawful performance of a police officer’s duties.

Despite subsection (18), a driver of an emergency vehicle, after stopping the vehicle, may proceed without a green indication being shown if it is safe to do so. (In this case, emergency vehicle is described as Fire/Ambulance with a continuously operating siren, or a police vehicle being used for police duties with light and a continuously operating siren).
 

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Thugs? I guess you have no respect for people who risk their lives for you!
Sorry to fling reality on your face, but police and soldiers are specifically hired to be our thugs (and therefore GoodGuys) to go up against BadGuys, i.e. their thugs. It's why we give them big sticks and guns to carry. And the more they must put their lives at risk, the less well the whole operation is being carried out. That's one reason they don't often wound guys coming at them with scissors (or use the big sticks). That part is our fault.

If we really respected their dangerous role we'd pay enough taxes to see that the scissors guys got the help they needed before thuggery was all there was left. ONce we wake up to how expensive XXIC urban life must be, then maybe we can recruit and hire smarter, better-trained thugs and give them better leaders.
 
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