The Stalker Arrested Once Again
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Oh the hyperbole ... and for wearing a T-shirt.Truncador said:And thus the great infamy, the most egregious outrage against the First Amendment in American history, draws to conclusion.
Maybe you should study the law, before you go making such ridiculous statements.
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/firstamendment/courtcases/courtcases.htm
Maybe you should read about this case:
"Exalt order at the cost of liberty." Why that sounds just like you, trunc.“The Whitney case is most noted for Justice Louis D. Brandeis’s concurrence, which many scholars have lauded as perhaps the greatest defense of freedom of speech ever written by a member of the high court.”--Basic Readings in U.S. Democracy. Below--all quotes from Justice Brandeis--are a few reasons why.
Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties; and that in its government the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary. They valued liberty both as an end and as a means. They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government.
Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.
Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.
Of course, if the fools like you and your buddies around here had won in the late 18th centrury, the US would still be part of the British Empire.
Cowards. That's what you are. Cowards.
The Revolutionaries understood the distinction between well-ordered liberty and licentiousness very well, and went blue in the face explaining that the Revolution was about securing the former, not the latter. I can't say for sure, but I doubt that in any case they would have seen an incident where some cops misinterpreted a pithy regulation, inconveniencing someone for a few hours as a result, as worth worrying about.TOVisitor said:"Exalt order at the cost of liberty." Why that sounds just like you, trunc.
Of course, if the fools like you and your buddies around here had won in the late 18th centrury, the US would still be part of the British Empire.
Cowards. That's what you are. Cowards.
Pardon me???? You were the one who called the situation "the most egregious outrage against the First Amendment in American history." Now it's something not "worth worrying about."Truncador said:The Revolutionaries understood the distinction between well-ordered liberty and licentiousness very well, and went blue in the face explaining that the Revolution was about securing the former, not the latter. I can't say for sure, but I doubt that in any case they would have seen an incident where some cops misinterpreted a pithy regulation, inconveniencing someone for a few hours as a result, as worth worrying about.
Flip-flop much?
And what is licentious about wearinhg a T-shirt to express oneself? Have you now become the dress code police?
I was satirizing the people who, just a few hours earlier, were raising the hue and cry about free-speech violations when it was kind of obvious all along that this incident would end without any charges being laid.TOVisitor said:Pardon me???? You were the one who called the situation "the most egregious outrage against the First Amendment in American history."
Again, it seems that the cops simply misinterpreted a regulation.And what is licentious about wearinhg a T-shirt to express oneself? Have you now become the dress code police?
But, but, but "IL Duce-ya's" KKK/Gestapo stormtroopers were just following "the butcher of Washington's" illegal orders.TOVisitor said:You see, what they did to her was against the law.
Sindee should file "civil rights" violation charges in concurrence with a trillion dollar civil lawsuit claiming "damage to her reputation"
I never said she doesn't have the right to speak. I said I was tired of her. The more I hear of her stunts... the more she gives me a discomforting feeling about hermaxweber said:So: what consequences should follow from that. Censorship? Jail? Gitmo vacation? Or, if you please, nothing? She's allowed to speak her piece, and so are you?
MW
A GOP wife with a "Support or Troops" T-shirt got ejected also.Kristine said:FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Sorry but this reminds communism at its finest... oh the propoganda machines must be spinning...
"you can only have freedom of speech if you agree with the governing power"
tsk tsk
Kris
http://us.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/index.html
Anyway it was a bad move which security admits:
On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. "We made a mistake," he told CNN.
Im so happy he is not my president... Im so happy we have Trudeau... oh wait no.. Mulroney.... no... thats not it... Chretien... lol...
Honest politician.. ONE HELL of an OXYMORON... Well in Bush's case... just moron...
Politics just gives me a headache.... time for an advil....lol
Kris
Honest politician.. ONE HELL of an OXYMORON... Well in Bush's case... just moron...
Politics just gives me a headache.... time for an advil....lol
Kris
Exactly. You would get arrested for taking a shit in public, even though it was a protest shit and thus an expression of free speech.mrpolarbear said:ok i'll bite. To my knowledge its not a crime to shit on the flag. Now, you will get nailed for taking a shit in public due to other laws but none of them would have anything to due with the flag.
What I find particularly reprehensible about the behavior of some of you is the fact that you jumped all over Cindy Sheehan for something that she did not do (neither unfurl a banner nor protest) and something that the Capital Police admitted to having screwed up (arrested her without cause). Whatever you might think of her, YOU were wrong.
How about an, "I was wrong and I apologise", boys?
Fat chance. Your mama would be ashamed of you.
How about an, "I was wrong and I apologise", boys?
Fat chance. Your mama would be ashamed of you.
Thanks for clearinhg that up, trunc. Sometimes you are a gentleman.Truncador said:I was satirizing the people who, just a few hours earlier, were raising the hue and cry about free-speech violations when it was kind of obvious all along that this incident would end without any charges being laid.
Again, it seems that the cops simply misinterpreted a regulation.
Can you spare an apology, or a condemnation, or "fatwa" TOV? Got any spare dinars bro?TOVisitor said:What I find particularly reprehensible about the behavior of some of you is the fact that you jumped all over Cindy Sheehan for something that she did not do (neither unfurl a banner nor protest) and something that the Capital Police admitted to having screwed up (arrested her without cause). Whatever you might think of her, YOU were wrong.
How about an, "I was wrong and I apologise", boys?
Fat chance. Your mama would be ashamed of you.
Why humiliate yourself any further TOV?
You know roger, I wouldn't give you a dinar, even if I had one.rogerstaubach said:Can you spare an apology, or a condemnation, or "fatwa" TOV? Got any spare dinars bro?
In fact, if you were on fire across the street, I wouldn't even go over to piss on you to put out the blaze.
Volunteer yet?
You would have to cross the street? What a short ball hitter.TOVisitor said:You know roger, I wouldn't give you a dinar, even if I had one.
In fact, if you were on fire across the street, I wouldn't even go over to piss on you to put out the blaze.
Volunteer yet?
How's that suicide-belt doing? Long time no jihad TOV?TOVisitor said:You know roger, I wouldn't give you a dinar, even if I had one.
In fact, if you were on fire across the street, I wouldn't even go over to piss on you to put out the blaze.
Volunteer yet?
TOV is shorter then Billy Bartyrogerstaubach said:How's that suicide-belt doing? Long time no jihad TOV?
