The "seceret" is really evil. It is using cliche new age methods. It promises that money and material wealth bring you some kind of spiritual peace. I can tell you money doesnt do it. Stuff doesnt do it. If you can't get peace within yourself, money and stuff will make things worse. Believe me, there is no seceret. I don't care what Oprah says.
"The Secret"
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Yes it is their loss. Neither the book or the movie claimed that "the secret" is something new. They made it clear that it is old and has been around since the babylonians era. Why must people be so critical? If it doesn't work for you then why must you ruin it for others? Just keep it moving and find your own "thing". Just keep your minds open.
Oh and by the way, i'm definately not "weak minded and lazy" and furthermore, i'm far from middle aged and into witchcraft, LOL......whatever floats your boat. ;-)
xoxoArielxoxo
Oh and by the way, i'm definately not "weak minded and lazy" and furthermore, i'm far from middle aged and into witchcraft, LOL......whatever floats your boat. ;-)
xoxoArielxoxo
I just listened to Tony Robbin's "Five Steps to Positive Thinking" which is probably very similar. I think "The Secret" is really saying the same thing.
It's not "positive thinking" that's good for us, it's "negative thinking" or "dwelling on negative thoughts" is bad. "Negative thinking" results in fear that prevents us from making decisions or taking actions that could change our lives. Making the decision (and acting on it) is 80% of the battle. The other 20% is the living with the decision itself.
Maybe a better way of saying it is that for the most part, we should be not be afraid to make a decision because it might be wrong (negative thinking). If we truly believe that an action is the wrong thing, then we should take the action we feel is right (positive thinking) and not dwell on it anymore - move on to the next thing. If in hindsight we decided wrong, learn from the experience and move on as well.
The "law of attraction" is really saying that "success doesn't happen by accident" or because "you were lucky". Success happens because we work hard at doing the things that really matter to us or "success attracts success".
It's not "positive thinking" that's good for us, it's "negative thinking" or "dwelling on negative thoughts" is bad. "Negative thinking" results in fear that prevents us from making decisions or taking actions that could change our lives. Making the decision (and acting on it) is 80% of the battle. The other 20% is the living with the decision itself.
Maybe a better way of saying it is that for the most part, we should be not be afraid to make a decision because it might be wrong (negative thinking). If we truly believe that an action is the wrong thing, then we should take the action we feel is right (positive thinking) and not dwell on it anymore - move on to the next thing. If in hindsight we decided wrong, learn from the experience and move on as well.
The "law of attraction" is really saying that "success doesn't happen by accident" or because "you were lucky". Success happens because we work hard at doing the things that really matter to us or "success attracts success".
l69norm said:
So according to "The Secret" and its "Law of Attraction" those poor people at Virginia Tech are responsible for getting themselves killed by their negative thinking?
My wife loved the video, I watched a little and ended up laughing at it. It is just a rehash of self-help principles, not horrible but pretty vacant. The funniest part was the titles that they gave the celebrity endorsers. Lots of Doctor-Professors, Thinkers, Healers, etc.
Well, I'm not saying that "The Secret" and Landmark Forum, etc, etc have all the answers to life.dickydoem said:
I hope nobody takes offense to this analogy:
Cho Seung-Hui is 50 feet ahead shooting people. He turns and looks straight at you. You have to make a decision:
a) Run for the door - might attract his attention and get shot
b) Drop to the ground and hide - might find you and shoot you anway
c) Tackle him to disarm - might get shot in the attempt
If you dwell on the consequences and don't make any decision, you'll be frozen and most likely get shot. Any choice of A, B or C is better than being frozen on the spot.
This example is strictly for illustration, I don't necessarily believe that anyone who was killed was "frozen" in fear and may have survived otherwise.
Whether you call it "The Power of Positive Thinking", "The Secret", "The Law of Attraction", or even "Affirmations" (another term used for more or less the same thing), the message is the same: positivity is better than negativity. But it is severely overstated when assertions are made that you can "direct" your own healing, or financial circumstances.
New medicines are tested with double-blind studies including both the new medicine and placebos. Every participant believes to the same degree that they're receiving the new medicine. If "belief" were enough to receive the curative effects (as asserted), results would reflect belief and there would not be a statistical difference between the placebos and the new medicines. And we know that's simply not the case: the medicines are a critical contributor.
And millions of people believe that one cannot contract AIDS from sexual relations, or that AIDS will be cured by having sex with a virgin. Again, belief does not make it so. And telling people that belief is sufficient can be extremely dangerous.
Just as believing that you'll win (or have won) the lottery doesn't make it so: sure, the winner will claim that they wanted to win (duh!). But the losers aren't failing because of their belief.
Believing you'll get a good grade on an essay is no substitute for writing the essay.
If the book said that one should believe in God to deliver all these earthly blessings, it would be easy to see that that is not scripturally sound and millions would mock it. By substituting belief in God with belief in Self, the soundness of the assertions is not improved.
That's not to say that what you say & do doesn't have an effect on those around you: if you withdraw from others (or complain all the time), they'll tend to let you be; if you approach others, they're more likely to offer you a more active role in their own lives.
New medicines are tested with double-blind studies including both the new medicine and placebos. Every participant believes to the same degree that they're receiving the new medicine. If "belief" were enough to receive the curative effects (as asserted), results would reflect belief and there would not be a statistical difference between the placebos and the new medicines. And we know that's simply not the case: the medicines are a critical contributor.
And millions of people believe that one cannot contract AIDS from sexual relations, or that AIDS will be cured by having sex with a virgin. Again, belief does not make it so. And telling people that belief is sufficient can be extremely dangerous.
Just as believing that you'll win (or have won) the lottery doesn't make it so: sure, the winner will claim that they wanted to win (duh!). But the losers aren't failing because of their belief.
Believing you'll get a good grade on an essay is no substitute for writing the essay.
If the book said that one should believe in God to deliver all these earthly blessings, it would be easy to see that that is not scripturally sound and millions would mock it. By substituting belief in God with belief in Self, the soundness of the assertions is not improved.
That's not to say that what you say & do doesn't have an effect on those around you: if you withdraw from others (or complain all the time), they'll tend to let you be; if you approach others, they're more likely to offer you a more active role in their own lives.
Yes, taking "The Secret" to the extreme is bad.Anynym said:
I'll give you a more practical example and I think we all know a least one person who's in a similar position:
I have a friend who's been dabbling with Forex trading. She has been using the free trial accounts for the last six months. She's been averaging an 8% return per week over the last 6 months. Some weeks were as low as 2%, others as high as 20% (per week!). There were only a couple of weeks where she lost money.
I would have assumed that she would have gone in for real a long time ago. She can't make up her mind to get in because she's afraid that she will lose her savings. She wants to play for another 6 months before getting in. For each $1000 she would have put in six months ago, she would have $2,300 today at 8% per week.
This is sort of the other end of "negative thinking". Just about everyone can see that she could be very successful at Forex, but she can't see it in herself.
The "Secret" is not new..it's a collection of previous power of positive thinking motivational techniques.
The secret will not guarantee you anything. But, a positive attitude does create more success than a negative attitude. The goal must be attainable and realistic.
Simply thinking I need to win a million dollars..well first you have to buy a ticket..and second you've put the control of your success in someone else's hands. To be truly successful you need control over your goals.
The secret teaches and encourages people to think positively about their future which is great. Just don't confuse success with dreams.
The secret will not guarantee you anything. But, a positive attitude does create more success than a negative attitude. The goal must be attainable and realistic.
Simply thinking I need to win a million dollars..well first you have to buy a ticket..and second you've put the control of your success in someone else's hands. To be truly successful you need control over your goals.
The secret teaches and encourages people to think positively about their future which is great. Just don't confuse success with dreams.
You are totally right Alexa, you can't make anyone believe in what you believe in if they don't want to believe. I definately was not intending on pushing "the secret" and its message onto anyone here. I was simply wondering if anyone felt the way i do about it. Like everyone has already mentioned, it's not supposed to immediately change your life the day after you read it (at least not externally, it changed mine internally). It's meant to, in my opinion, just encourage and reinstill the feeling of hope and faith into ones heart and mind.
About the medicine and the placebo issue, in the book/movie they were sure to add that medicine is obviously needed in some cases. I truly don't believe that those people involved in "the secret" were intending on "harming" or "tricking" anyone into anything. The way i know that for certain is because neither during nor after the movie did they try to sell me anything more, such as "the secret PART 2" or a seminar that i just have to attend to truly make things happen for me or anything in that manner. If $20 for a movie or a book that gives you at least a boost of energy is too much to pay for then to each their own. But it was well worth the $20; actually i'm lying, it was a gift given to me, lol, but i would so buy it, hehe....No seriously, i've decided that "The Secret" either in the book form or the movie will be my birthday presents that i will be giving out for a while to come
xoxoArielxoxo
About the medicine and the placebo issue, in the book/movie they were sure to add that medicine is obviously needed in some cases. I truly don't believe that those people involved in "the secret" were intending on "harming" or "tricking" anyone into anything. The way i know that for certain is because neither during nor after the movie did they try to sell me anything more, such as "the secret PART 2" or a seminar that i just have to attend to truly make things happen for me or anything in that manner. If $20 for a movie or a book that gives you at least a boost of energy is too much to pay for then to each their own. But it was well worth the $20; actually i'm lying, it was a gift given to me, lol, but i would so buy it, hehe....No seriously, i've decided that "The Secret" either in the book form or the movie will be my birthday presents that i will be giving out for a while to come
xoxoArielxoxo
B;lah.....blah..............blahAriel Sanchez said:You are totally right Alexa, you can't make anyone believe in what you believe in if they don't want to believe. I definately was not intending on pushing "the secret" and its message onto anyone here. I was simply wondering if anyone felt the way i do about it. Like everyone has already mentioned, it's not supposed to immediately change your life the day after you read it (at least not externally, it changed mine internally). It's meant to, in my opinion, just encourage and reinstill the feeling of hope and faith into ones heart and mind.
About the medicine and the placebo issue, in the book/movie they were sure to add that medicine is obviously needed in some cases. I truly don't believe that those people involved in "the secret" were intending on "harming" or "tricking" anyone into anything. The way i know that for certain is because neither during nor after the movie did they try to sell me anything more, such as "the secret PART 2" or a seminar that i just have to attend to truly make things happen for me or anything in that manner. If $20 for a movie or a book that gives you at least a boost of energy is too much to pay for then to each their own. But it was well worth the $20; actually i'm lying, it was a gift given to me, lol, but i would so buy it, hehe....No seriously, i've decided that "The Secret" either in the book form or the movie will be my birthday presents that i will be giving out for a while to come
xoxoArielxoxo
Oh WHATEVER Esco!!!! hehe, i think it's past your bed time and you're getting a lil crabby, LOL!!!!
Remember esco, postive energy, positive energy, lol.....
xoxoArielxoxo
Remember esco, postive energy, positive energy, lol.....
xoxoArielxoxo
Deepak Chopra had this covered years ago in his book on the laws of attraction.
And many before him lol
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And many before him lol
Personally I have found the best way to attract asian pussy yum yum is through powerful vibrations of the benjamins. Works every time. I consider myself a master in this respect. Theta beta ion level.
