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Maybe schools should teach the Japanese not to build nuclear reactors in earthquake and tsunami zones.
No sense in having a healthy diet when living with radiation.
 

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The other side of things is that they turning out students who can't write or do basic math and are utterly ignorant of anything in science, history and geography unless it is taught in school. I know multiple 16 and 17 year olds who don't know who Napoleon is. They said it wasn't covered in school yet. That is nucking futs.

Cooking, you should be learning that at home. Sadly kids don't. OTOH cooking is something you can teach yourself. It is getting to the point that the schools are expected to teach everything. What ever happened to the idea of learning how to learn.

I also wonder, if kids are being raised on canned goods and take out will some home ec classes make much of a difference.
Canadian students are consistently top 5 (or 3 or at worst 10 depending on the source) globally in numeracy, literacy and science. There are always going to be the few who can't read and write...genetics can't be fucked with. When morons breed...they're going to breed morons. That is when life skill classes become even more important.
 

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Twenty-two years ago, home economics became a core course, like science and math. At Azabu High, an all-boys school in central Tokyo, students spend hours in the classroom calculating the protein, fat, carbohydrate and calorie-count of various foods. They also whip up balanced meals in the school’s industrial kitchen.

In most Canadian schools, home economics class is an elective. In Japan, it’s mandatory for boys and girls from Grades 5 to 12. Tadaharu Minamino was the first male home economics teacher in Osaka Prefecture. He says making every student take the class has changed Japanese society, for the better.
If that truly is one of the reasons for a healthier society, looking long term, imagine the healthcare savings if Ontario adopted the same plan.
 

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Toronto Girlfriends

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Maybe schools should teach the Japanese not to build nuclear reactors in earthquake and tsunami zones.
No sense in having a healthy diet when living with radiation.
Very insightful comment. If only Japan wasn't an island prone to earthquakes and tsunamis due to its geographical position in the planet maybe the Japanese would have a choice. As for the nuclear reactors :rolleyes:
 

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The other side of things is that they turning out students who can't write or do basic math and are utterly ignorant of anything in science, history and geography unless it is taught in school. I know multiple 16 and 17 year olds who don't know who Napoleon is. They said it wasn't covered in school yet. That is nucking futs.

Cooking, you should be learning that at home. Sadly kids don't. OTOH cooking is something you can teach yourself. It is getting to the point that the schools are expected to teach everything. What ever happened to the idea of learning how to learn.

I also wonder, if kids are being raised on canned goods and take out will some home ec classes make much of a difference.
The typical canadian family nowadays can't afford to to spend much time teaching their offspring how to cook, take care of household, play sports etc without compromising the time they could invest in making money etc... It is a well known fact that families don't even eat together anymore and you can see the swiss chalet delivery drivers go crazy around 4pm trying to meet the deadline of family dinner time. As leafs fan pointed out, Canada actually scores pretty highly academically especially compared to the US lol but how are you gonna learn how to learn without somebody teaching you? Given how kids spend most of their time at school anyway and the parents have no time for them it would make sense to incorporate these programs in the curriculum, I suggest "living skills" as the name of the subject.
 

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Can you imagine how hard it would be for a school to teach cooking these days! First off they have to either train the teachers they have, or hire new staff.

Teacher: "Okay today class we're going to learn to make a classic Canadian maple bacon cheeseburger..."

Joey: I'm lactose intolerant, can't have cheese.

"No problem you can make a regular hamburger"

Johnny: Is the bacon kosher?

DeeDee: Is the beef halal?

Kumar: Beef? I don't think so.

Marky: My mom says killing animals for food is wrong and that's why we're vegetarians.

Monty: Is the bun gluten free?

Teacher: Okay fine let's just make Kraft dinner.

Monty: Gluten!
Joey: Lactose!


And I haven't even started on the liability if one of the students was cut or burned or ...
 

Toronto Girlfriends

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Can you imagine how hard it would be for a school to teach cooking these days! First off they have to either train the teachers they have, or hire new staff.

Teacher: "Okay today class we're going to learn to make a classic Canadian maple bacon cheeseburger..."

Joey: I'm lactose intolerant, can't have cheese.

"No problem you can make a regular hamburger"

Johnny: Is the bacon kosher?

DeeDee: Is the beef halal?

Kumar: Beef? I don't think so.

Marky: My mom says killing animals for food is wrong and that's why we're vegetarians.

Monty: Is the bun gluten free?

Teacher: Okay fine let's just make Kraft dinner.

Monty: Gluten!
Joey: Lactose!


And I haven't even started on the liability if one of the students was cut or burned or ...
Most of these dietary restrictions are just fads like giving ridalin to kids nowadays. If you were to start a program early enough in the child's life it would be easier as humans learn exponentially so you would always be building new knowledge on top of attained knowledge.

Liability? life is such full of liabilities, my God we can't permit next generation to be more pussified than this one. If someone gets burned or whatever it comes with the territory, deal with it. The scar will be a reminder of the incident and a source of inspiration and character.

As far as your multicultural dilemma we have two simple solutions: vegetarian and not vegetarian and the option of custom made curriculum for schools with a predominant ethnic group. Say in the jewish areas you are of course not going to serve pork.

Not that hard dude. Not hard at all
 

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actually, i've learned recently that you can have a perfectly healthy diet without ever cooking. recently, unbridle disconnected my stove because the thingy connecting it to the gas line is outdated and needs to be replaced. it's taking some time for my landlords to find someone certified to deal with the problem, so in the meantime i've been living like a raw foodist, but without the flaky "cooking food robs it of its essential life force" crap.
fruit, tofu, chicken from loblaws' prepared foods section, veggies and dip, salads, trail mix...it's pretty tasty stuff, and i'm meeting all of my protein/carb requirements without even having a microwave.
and i agree that cooking doesn't need to be taught formally. it's a cinch to follow a recipe in a cookbook, and once you're good at that, and familiar with a variety of foods, you can get creative.
but i think it's possible to eat healthy without ever cooking.
 

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Any kid who grows up in an enviroment like that isn't going to be turned into a lil miss or mr home cooked meal person on the basis of a few classes. Just too much home influence from much more important people.

Also you seriously need someone to teach you how to cook? Really? They have these things called cookbooks. Actually you can learn a lot from books from all sorts. Although too many self taught people get caught reading the wrong first book and shut their minds to more standard texts because the schools have utterly failed in actually teaching them how to learn, --- Especially cooking basic affordable and healthy stuff.
I hate food prep but I can do it. It isn't hard to pick up.
Thanks for reiterating what I said, I am glad we are on the same page. As I said at the end of the post you quoted (but left out this part in your post thus taking my comments out of context), since kids spend the majority of their time at school it makes sense that some of these essential life skills be transferred by the school/teachers. Is it the best solution? Choice is clear, either force parents to spend more quality time with their kids or help the working Canadian family by lending them a hand to create more functional and possibly healthier citizens.

actually, i've learned recently that you can have a perfectly healthy diet without ever cooking. recently, unbridle disconnected my stove because the thingy connecting it to the gas line is outdated and needs to be replaced. it's taking some time for my landlords to find someone certified to deal with the problem, so in the meantime i've been living like a raw foodist, but without the flaky "cooking food robs it of its essential life force" crap.
fruit, tofu, chicken from loblaws' prepared foods section, veggies and dip, salads, trail mix...it's pretty tasty stuff, and i'm meeting all of my protein/carb requirements without even having a microwave.
and i agree that cooking doesn't need to be taught formally. it's a cinch to follow a recipe in a cookbook, and once you're good at that, and familiar with a variety of foods, you can get creative.
but i think it's possible to eat healthy without ever cooking.
Totally agree with you, there is absolutely no reason why someone with the desire and interest in learning something shouldn't be able to learn that he/she desires through a book or in today's day and age the internet; however, that is the point of school, to instill a love of learning not just to create mindless clones of copy and paste robots. What the Japanese have done as per the article in this thread is recognize the role of the state via the school system to supplement what should otherwise be a parent's job.
 

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You are the one stubbornly missing the point. If a kid's home life consists of everyone on the run and eating fast food than a class in school isn't going to reprogram anything.

Also if you think my comments of picking up the wrong book applies to cookbooks... you really haven't a clue what my point is and I can't be bothered to spell it out for you.
I think that you got my point but disagree on whether it will be a viable solution or not. I am a glass half full type of guy, a problem solver and to me doing nothing is the worst thing you can do. You may be happy sitting at home blaming the parents or whoever, I would rather not play the blame game and try to make solutions. Are teachers substitute parents? NO, not by a long shot but look at the silver lining, they are the kids' first role models so that makes them the best bet.

If I was really interested in proving this to you I could search for cases on the internet and supporting evidence. Spelled out again the point is:

Teacher not parent BUT next best thing
 

MattRoxx

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Any kid who grows up in an enviroment like that isn't going to be turned into a lil miss or mr home cooked meal person on the basis of a few classes. Just too much home influence from much more important people.

Also you seriously need someone to teach you how to cook? Really? They have these things called cookbooks. Actually you can learn a lot from books from all sorts. Although too many self taught people get caught reading the wrong first book and shut their minds to more standard texts because the schools have utterly failed in actually teaching them how to learn, it can work quite well for many endeavorers. Cooking isn't open heart surgery. Especially cooking basic affordable and healthy stuff.
I hate food prep but I can do it. It isn't hard to pick up.
Books?! That's so old fashioned. I've learned to make sushi rolls, bake muffins and (pot) cookies, and a bunch of vegetarian items (eg lasagna) from allrecipes.com, yummly, and Youtube videos.
 

MattRoxx

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Most of these dietary restrictions are just fads like giving ridalin to kids nowadays. If you were to start a program early enough in the child's life it would be easier as humans learn exponentially so you would always be building new knowledge on top of attained knowledge.

Liability? life is such full of liabilities, my God we can't permit next generation to be more pussified than this one. If someone gets burned or whatever it comes with the territory, deal with it. The scar will be a reminder of the incident and a source of inspiration and character.

As far as your multicultural dilemma we have two simple solutions: vegetarian and not vegetarian and the option of custom made curriculum for schools with a predominant ethnic group. Say in the jewish areas you are of course not going to serve pork.

Not that hard dude. Not hard at all
Actually it would be incredibly hard - and expensive - to install standardized kitchens, create the curriculum and hire people to teach kids how to cook anything beyond the most basic items. And I don't want my taxes to go up to pay for other people's kids to learn what they should be learning at home.

And I completely forgot that many schools are now nut-free zones, so the kids couldn't even be taught how to make something as basic as a peanut butter sandwich.

Kids should be taught nutrition in school, but not cooking.
 

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In Japan, isn't the culture also more work hours, stress and walking? That should eat up some calories as well. I don't think Asians in general drink a lot of sugary drinks like pop too, which IMO is a bigger contributor to less calories per meal than the actual food on the plate. I don't see how all the white rice, noodles and fatty meat Asians eat are healthy.

Also, maybe genetics plays a part of it makeing it so Japanese people are naturally pretty lean. On the other hand, it often seems Filapino and Hawaiian people seem more stocky. Who knows, maybe Filapinos and Hawaiian people eat way more, but I don't think that's the case. They just seem thicker and have wider shoulders.

Just as Dutch and German people are typically classified as tall on average, while Asians usually are on the shorter end of the height scale.
 

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Let's not forget there exist genetic differences between populations. Shocking, I know.

Asians tend to be more ectomorphic and carry more body fat at a given bmi than other races. My uni roommate (an Asian) was 6'1" and only 140 lbs. Looked skinny with clothes on, but once the t-shirt came off it was apparent he was flabby as hell.

They're also more conscientious.
 
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