The Pick-up Challenge

[daKoolGuy]

I was having this feeling for sometime that while it was fun sleeping with all these sexy beautiful women just by paying for their time, there was no challenge. This made a mockery of my inner alpha male which enjoys the pursuit and winning. The more I thought about it, the more it dried up my urges to visit a strip club or an escort.
I think this kind of self-introspection was triggered by reading Neal Straus's The Game and watching VH1's Master Pick-Up reality programme by Mystery a very well-known PUA. Now, I have started from the basics where I am trying to CONNECT with women at a different level. Even though it may not alwaz lead to sex, the experience is that of learning and liberating myself.
I just wanted to know if there are men out there who have the same kind of thoughts and how they are coping.
Btw, I will not give up visiting some of my regular ladies, but I do not feel the urge to visit any new ones any more.

 

[Serpent]

I'm thinking of going cold turkey from the SCs and hanging out more with 'regular people'.

 

[C Dick]

I used to think it was so great to be with beautiful dancers. But I also came to feel that it was not satisfying to be there just because I had the money. I have changed my hobbying away from random dancers, and more towards women that I feel more connected to.

 

[daKoolGuy]

Exactly what I'm talking about. Somewhere in the back, there seems to be no excitement. But when I'm trying to connect with a girl I met at a bar or lounge, I can feel the underlying tension and excitement.
In fact, all the times with the SPs & SCs have taken their toll and I find myself socially inept to some extent. I have to get my game together again.
I would consider myself an alpha male if I can get a woman to consider me as her potential mate.

 

[fnog9]

I have a somewhat opposite problem. I do not enjoy playing the mating game, and picking up girls. So I often end up with no one at all. But since I still love strippers and sex n stuff, it doesn't bother me at all that there is no "excitement" there. Actually, being with an SP seems more real than picking up a girl somewhere because I don't have to be phony at all with an SP. So my problem is....... I don't have that much money. lol.

I used to think it was so great to be with beautiful dancers. But I also came to feel that it was not satisfying to be there just because I had the money.

You should totally donate the money to my stripper budget.

 

[daKoolGuy]

I have a somewhat opposite problem. I do not enjoy playing the mating game, and picking up girls. So I often end up with no one at all. But since I still love strippers and sex n stuff, it doesn't bother me at all that there is no "excitement" there. Actually, being with an SP seems more real than picking up a girl somewhere because I don't have to be phony at all with an SP. So my problem is....... I don't have that much money. lol.



You should totally donate the money to my stripper budget.

Well dude, probably you are not in the same mind frame. Comes with time though.

 

[jbar]

I'm in the same boat as fnog9.... I just can't be bothered to put in any effort into it for various reasons. The paradox of that, is that women outside of the SC/SP game are now make more passes and advances at me. Some have been down-right direct. What a fucked-up world.

 

[RTRD]

I've been saying this...

...for some time now.

I understand why some guys see an SP...but I have no idea why a single guy would do so instead of dating. In parallel with dating...ok...whatever. But instead of dating?

Sc on the other hand I see differently. I am not TRYING to pick up the dancer, nor am I there for sex. I am there for a good time, and yeah, I consider a pretty girl writhing all over my crotch a good time...LOL.

That said, I haven't been to a GTA strip club without out of town guests in months...several in fact. It has lost its appeal as well...

 

[red]

I was having this feeling for sometime that while it was fun sleeping with all these sexy beautiful women just by paying for their time, there was no challenge. This made a mockery of my inner alpha male which enjoys the pursuit and winning. The more I thought about it, the more it dried up my urges to visit a strip club or an escort.
I think this kind of self-introspection was triggered by reading Neal Straus's The Game and watching VH1's Master Pick-Up reality programme by Mystery a very well-known PUA. Now, I have started from the basics where I am trying to CONNECT with women at a different level. Even though it may not alwaz lead to sex, the experience is that of learning and liberating myself.
I just wanted to know if there are men out there who have the same kind of thoughts and how they are coping.
Btw, I will not give up visiting some of my regular ladies, but I do not feel the urge to visit any new ones any more.

balance is important. if you are using sp's as a crutch then its a bad thing. If its a side thing, then its adds spice and I think is good.

 

[HafDun]

We have evolved beyond Alpha male hunting rituals

*Avg cost of dinner for two $150.00
*times the odds of having sex on first date (50%) 150/.5=300
*times the chance of meeting a 'compatable' partner on
that first date 1 in 10


Ok so by my math, I have to meet with 20 women, 2 of which I would invite to dinner for a total cost of $300, 1 of which 1 would have sex with. (I left out the cost of internet dating/miscelanious expenses and the threat of follow calls from the 18 women I chose not to date or the potential that either of the finalists evolves into a post-date godzilla).
I haven't got the time, energy or resources to devote to these Alpha male hunting rituals.

...Or I could invest my $300 in a safari on Dani's balcony

 

[fuji]

If your goal is sex and your definition of success is any kind of sex than an SP is going to be cheaper, especially if variety is important to you.

Plainly there are lots of things you get out of having an SO that an SP is never going to provide.

Plainly too there is a difference in experience between sex with a woman who is doing it with you only because she's paid to, and sex with a woman who is totally into you.

That pretty much sums up why I have all three in my life: SP's, wife, and GF

 

[RTRD]

And...

*Avg cost of dinner for two $150.00
*times the odds of having sex on first date (50%) 150/.5=300
*times the chance of meeting a 'compatable' partner on
that first date 1 in 10


Ok so by my math, I have to meet with 20 women, 2 of which I would invite to dinner for a total cost of $300, 1 of which 1 would have sex with. (I left out the cost of internet dating/miscelanious expenses and the threat of follow calls from the 18 women I chose not to date or the potential that either of the finalists evolves into a post-date godzilla).
I haven't got the time, energy or resources to devote to these Alpha male hunting rituals.

...Or I could invest my $300 in a safari on Dani's balcony

...if all you want is sex...and an hour of "companionship"...that is fine. That said...and as I have explained in the past...no way does your math work in regards to frequency of sex.

Last week I had sex 4 times with 3 different women...didn't pay, and actually, didn't take any of them out (not that I haven't in the past). 800 to 1200 worth of sex...and I'm thinking maybe I was out of $100 worth of miscellaneous things, like groceries, gas, whatever. A lot cheaper than an SP...and I was able to take satisfaction in knowing these women were sexing me because they WANTED to be sexing me.

Now if you have evolved past enjoying that bit of satisfaction...frequent sex with someone who care for who cares for you and wants to have sex with you...then, sure...see escorts twice a month. Its cheaper.

BTW...$150 first dates are a mistake....

 

[daKoolGuy]

*Avg cost of dinner for two $150.00
*times the odds of having sex on first date (50%) 150/.5=300
*times the chance of meeting a 'compatable' partner on
that first date 1 in 10


Ok so by my math, I have to meet with 20 women, 2 of which I would invite to dinner for a total cost of $300, 1 of which 1 would have sex with. (I left out the cost of internet dating/miscelanious expenses and the threat of follow calls from the 18 women I chose not to date or the potential that either of the finalists evolves into a post-date godzilla).
I haven't got the time, energy or resources to devote to these Alpha male hunting rituals.

...Or I could invest my $300 in a safari on Dani's balcony

All the above, because you have failed to convey your intentions and alpha male status. Actually you have kind of conveyed to the girl that you are a long-term material and hence no sex. Sorry, but that's how it is.

 

[daKoolGuy]

That pretty much sums up why I have all three in my life: SP's, wife, and GF

Man, you are sitting in a mine field. My best wishes.

 

[daKoolGuy]

...all you want is sex...and an hour of "companionship"...that is fine. That said...and as I have explained in the past...no way does your math work in regards to frequency of sex.

Last week I had sex 4 times with 3 different women...didn't pay, and actually, didn't take any of them out (not that I haven't in the past). 800 to 1200 worth of sex...and I'm thinking maybe i was out of $100 worth of miscellaneous things, like groceries, gas, whatever. A lot cheaper than an SP...and i was able to take satisfaction in knowing these women were sexing me because they WANTED to be sexing me.

Now if you have evolved past enjoying that bit of satisfaction...frequent sex with someone who care for who cares for you and wants to have sex with you...then, sure...see escorts twice a month. Its cheaper.

BTW...$150 first dates are a mistake....

You are the man and I think I have some things to learn from you.

 

[spatial_k]

I'm in the same boat as fnog9.... I just can't be bothered to put in any effort into it for various reasons. The paradox of that, is that women outside of the SC/SP game are now make more passes and advances at me. Some have been down-right direct. What a fucked-up world.

Totally makes sense to me. The pressure's off, you're relaxed, and you're not sniffing around these ladies hoping to get laid. Once they can sense that you don't 'need' them they're all over you.

It's science.

 

[daKoolGuy]

Totally makes sense to me. The pressure's off, you're relaxed, and you're not sniffing around these ladies hoping to get laid. Once they can sense that you don't 'need' them they're all over you.

It's science.

I dunno what kind of woman will show interest if you are not showing any interest. I am not saying that you go head over heels and drool at her feet.

 

[spatial_k]

I dunno what kind of woman will show interest if you are not showing any interest. I am not saying that you go head over heels and drool at her feet.

Also not saying you have to be a jerk. But when you take the pressure off yourself to try and get laid you'll come across as more comfortable and secure.

Of course, some women do seem to like jerks.

 

[C Dick]

You should totally donate the money to my stripper Budget.

I said I no longer enjoyed being with a woman just because I have the money. Now it is more complex, but somehow, it always still costs money. So in a way it is the worst of both, but I still enjoy it more.

 

[Dani]

*Avg cost of dinner for two $150.00
*times the odds of having sex on first date (50%) 150/.5=300
*times the chance of meeting a 'compatable' partner on
that first date 1 in 10


Ok so by my math, I have to meet with 20 women, 2 of which I would invite to dinner for a total cost of $300, 1 of which 1 would have sex with. (I left out the cost of internet dating/miscelanious expenses and the threat of follow calls from the 18 women I chose not to date or the potential that either of the finalists evolves into a post-date godzilla).
I haven't got the time, energy or resources to devote to these Alpha male hunting rituals.

...Or I could invest my $300 in a safari on Dani's balcony

shhhhhhhh it is cold enough to cause some major shrinkage right now