The Jewish Conspiracy Thread

[XTORONTO]

Israel is an artificial creation of European guilt, Soviet and American strategy along with Arab stupidity and disunity, that still continues to this day look at Hamas and Fatah shooting at each other.

Maybe Arab stupidity and disunity have a part, but it's also fuelled by Israeli and Western cunning and supremacist views. The west pushed for the democratic elections, Hamas won, now Isreal and western governments have an excuse to hold back aid and tax dollars essentially starving the Palastinian people, and creating more disunity and possibly civil war.

Divide and Conquer has always been a part of the imperialist stratagy .

 

[LancsLad]

Imperialism, gotta love it.

 

[DATYdude]

scouser, you cite many reasons for Israel's creation and while I can go on an on about your bullslop here I'll only point out that you forget that Jews themselves were also involved, plenty of land was legitimately bought and there were plenty of Jews in Palestine when many of the Arabs who eventually settled there were elsewhere.

And PS you know very little about Judaism as a nation-religion unifying Jews in many parts of the world through 2000 years of exile. And despite what you say about demographics or any of your hateful comments, I don't see Israel going anywhere anytime soon, although every generation someone comes and tries to destroy us, so far so good!

 

[red]

Really, why? All I've done it bait the haters.

OTB

it only helps them.- another forum for their hatred.

 

[scouser1]

scouser, you cite many reasons for Israel's creation and while I can go on an on about your bullslop here I'll only point out that you forget that Jews themselves were also involved, plenty of land was legitimately bought and there were plenty of Jews in Palestine when many of the Arabs who eventually settled there were elsewhere.

And PS you know very little about Judaism as a nation-religion unifying Jews in many parts of the world through 2000 years of exile. And despite what you say about demographics or any of your hateful comments, I don't see Israel going anywhere anytime soon, although every generation someone comes and tries to destroy us, so far so good![/QUOTE

oh yeah plenty thats for sure something like 8% of the population circa 1917 when the Balfour Declaration was put out, the fact remains the Israelis dont want peace, they want an on going conflict where they are made out to be the victims thanks to what happened to them which was caused by Europeans not Arabs 60 years ago. Therefore they can continue to be a military state and the bully on the block.

Throw in a peace plan and Israel's existence is really at a peril, what no more apartheid walls, no more running back and forth into the occupied territories and Lebanon kiling civilians at will, and an ever expanding local Arab population and Lenny and Sergei will need to either decide to live and co exist, like the majority of whites did in South Africa or take that first plane back to Flatbush.

 

[basketcase]

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oh yeah plenty thats for sure something like 8% of the population circa 1917 when the Balfour Declaration was put out, the fact remains the Israelis dont want peace, they want an on going conflict where they are made out to be the victims thanks to what happened to them which was caused by Europeans not Arabs 60 years ago. Therefore they can continue to be a military state and the bully on the block.

Throw in a peace plan and Israel's existence is really at a peril, what no more apartheid walls, no more running back and forth into the occupied territories and Lebanon kiling civilians at will, and an ever expanding local Arab population and Lenny and Sergei will need to either decide to live and co exist, like the majority of whites did in South Africa or take that first plane back to Flatbush.

You started well but after the first sentence, you have replaced facts with personal opinion.

It is very easy to find Israelis who want there government to make peace and actively protest their policies. You can also find that every major political party in Israel agrees in the creation of a Palestinian state.

How easy is it to find Palestinian peace campaigners in the territories and how many of the Palestinan parties agree in the right of Israel to exist?

The Europeans didn't want European refugee Jews to go to Israel out of guilt; they knew that they couldn't stay where they were and there was no way that the west or the Soviets wanted any more Jews in their own countries.

 

[basketcase]

...., the fact remains the Israelis dont want peace, they want an on going conflict ...
Throw in a peace plan and Israel's existence is really at a peril, ....

Just to again prove that your opinion is only that,

Secret understandings reached between representatives of Israel, Syria
By Akiva Eldar, Haaretz Correspondent

In a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006, Syrians and Israelis formulated understandings for a peace agreement between Israel and Syria.

The main points of the understandings are as follows:

# An agreement of principles will be signed between the two countries, and following the fulfillment of all commitments, a peace agreement will be signed.


# As part of the agreement on principles, Israel will withdraw from the Golan Heights to the lines of 4 June, 1967. The timetable for the withdrawal remained open: Syria demanded the pullout be carried out over a five-year period, while Israel asked for the withdrawal to be spread out over 15 years.

# At the buffer zone, along Lake Kinneret, a park will be set up for joint use by Israelis and Syrians. The park will cover a significant portion of the Golan Heights. Israelis will be free to access the park and their presence will not be dependent on Syrian approval.

# Israel will retain control over the use of the waters of the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret.

# The border area will be demilitarized along a 1:4 ratio (in terms of territory) in Israel's favor.

# According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.
...

It also emerged that one of the Syrian messages to Israel had to do with the ties between Damascus and Tehran. In the message, the Alawi regime - the Assad family being members of the Alawi minority - asserts that it considers itself to be an integral part of the Sunni world and that it objects to the Shi'a theocratic regime, and is particularly opposed to Iran's policy in Iraq. A senior Syrian official stressed that a peace agreement with Israel will enable Syria to distance itself from Iran.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/813817.html

 

[scouser1]

I have no doubts about the plan, I do believe the Syrians will instantly disown Hezoballah, Hamas and their Iranian buddies for their long held obsession of returning the Golan Heights, what remains to be discussed is the water question, the Israelis are willing to return them as long as they are in control of the lake between the countries, the Syrian leadership on the other hand is a dictatorship and there is a history of what happens to Arab dictators who have been seen as giving in too much to the Israelis, see Sadat and King Abdullah.

 

[pritty_kitten]

honestly you have to admire a group of people that have been murdered and displaced throughout history and instead of playing the race card and using it as an excuse for not getting ahead in this world, take the initiative to succeed. so many people blame the jews for their woes instead of getting off their asses and making their lives better. just my 2 cents

 

[scouser1]

honestly you have to admire a group of people that have been murdered and displaced throughout history and instead of playing the race card and using it as an excuse for not getting ahead in this world, take the initiative to succeed. so many people blame the jews for their woes instead of getting off their asses and making their lives better. just my 2 cents

this is the kind of one sided Hollywood Spielberg created victimization I am talking about, every people on this planet has had crap done to them and every race, religion, nationality has committed horrible things, no one has a monopoly on suffering. I would like to think that a people who have suffered so much through out history, would learn a lesson and not commit the same kinds of things towards the Palestinians and Lebanese.

On an interesting side note, anyone ever notice that criticizing Israel has alot of people rushing to scream anti Semite, meanwhile alot of the same ideals that criticize the Jewish state, are held by quite a lot of Israelis themselves, being staunchly pro Israel is basically being pro right wing Israeli a la the evangelicals in the US.

 

[basketcase]

Not really. Being pro-Israel in middle eastern conflicts (at least in my case) is to support the side where the people have the most rights, freedoms, and ability to freely express their political opinion without fear of opression. Lebanon is better off in this way than most in the region but they still have a ways to go (abandoning their sectarian focus for one).

 

[basketcase]

... the fact remains the Israelis dont want peace, they want an on going conflict where they are made out to be the victims...

I have no doubts about the [peace] plan, I do believe the Syrians will instantly disown Hezoballah, Hamas and their Iranian buddies for their long held obsession of returning the Golan Heights, what remains to be discussed is the water question, the Israelis are willing to return them as long as they are in control of the lake between the countries, the Syrian leadership on the other hand is a dictatorship and there is a history of what happens to Arab dictators who have been seen as giving in too much to the Israelis, see Sadat and King Abdullah.

So first Israel doesn't want peace. Now they want peace but the plan won't work because of the structure of Syria's dictatorship.

 

[scouser1]

I was refering to King Abdullah of Jordan assassinated in 1951, there were reports he was going to hand over East Jerusalem to the Israelis without firing a shot, well that didnt ring so well with the locals

As for Israel and its want of peace, well hardly a peace deal when you manage to lock the Palestinians into a Bantustan style state, steal waterways from Lebanon and Syria and still be the king of the mountain in the region.

 

[osanowo]

(...) and still be the king of the mountain in the region.

yeah well it's either f# or being f#d...
I guess they couldn't find their Monica Lewinsky in 1948.


One thing for sure: they have evolved from a "Where were you?" and "What have you done?" to a more arrogant and dominant position. I mean more than what it was at the time of Israel's creation.

Unity is a strength and they show it as well as Muslims. Of course it is easier when you are part of a minority, the only way to grant privileges.

Mixed with arrogance, this generosity towards your own kind can turn to obscene situations... I would not want to be tactless but this mofo of hitler had used the situation in Warsow to his own propaganda. The 25% of jews had almost all the wealth and people were upset to barely have anything to eat whereas "some people" were having meat and luxury meals.
Easy to hate then...

In Paris, the golden youth is mainly jew. A counter power has risen being the Muslims or "Arabs" from north Africa, most of the time acquiring the equivalent wealth by illegal ways (obviously you can achieve illegal wealth with business but it's rather difficult to prove...). Now all these guys share the cake and it creates real jealousy issues in the French population where the youth from no minority is left apart.

As I have been working for movie producers in France as well as tv broadcasters, I then realized that to work in the TV you have to be either gay or jew, and for the movies you have to be either gay, jew or arab.
Oops I am none of these...


I am afraid there is nothing special about these guys except that they have an innate sense of business and they are faithful to each other.
Their only problem is that they can't share. But it goes the same way for every other minority that considers its past suffering for an unilateral excuse to take everything.

They also have a real political power as it was said earlier in the posts, and the Mossad is a deadly efficient secret service which really, really doesn't have any honor...

 

[basketcase]

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Mixed with arrogance, this generosity towards your own kind can turn to obscene situations... I would not want to be tactless but this mofo of hitler had used the situation in Warsow to his own propaganda. The 25% of jews had almost all the wealth and people were upset to barely have anything to eat whereas "some people" were having meat and luxury meals.
Easy to hate then...

In Paris, the golden youth is mainly jew. A counter power has risen being the Muslims or "Arabs" from north Africa, most of the time acquiring the equivalent wealth by illegal ways (obviously you can achieve illegal wealth with business but it's rather difficult to prove...). Now all these guys share the cake and it creates real jealousy issues in the French population where the youth from no minority is left apart.

As I have been working for movie producers in France as well as tv broadcasters, I then realized that to work in the TV you have to be either gay or jew, and for the movies you have to be either gay, jew or arab.
Oops I am none of these...


I am afraid there is nothing special about these guys except that they have an innate sense of business and they are faithful to each other.
Their only problem is that they can't share.

Interesting post. First you are critical of Hitler then you use the exact same justification that he used. THEY are good at business. THEY are selfish. Your sweeping generalizations are making you personal view clear.

But it goes the same way for every other minority that considers its past suffering for an unilateral excuse to take everything.

As opposed to all the Christians in business who just take everything because they want to? Successful people are often succesful at the expense of the unsucsessful.

French society, despite being the first European state to grant equality under the law to all citizens, it has always been a tought place to live and work for those who don't fit in. It is one of the few Western nations where in the past 10 years where a politician from a Nationalist (read xenophobic ) Party has had a reasonable amount of success in elections. Is it any surprise that minority groups there (whether Jewish or North African) tend to stick together?


p.s. I'm glad you have moved your ramblings into the thread that reflects your true feelings.

 

[osanowo]

- France is tough and I said it in the Post. Now you are wrong as extremist from most European countries have large scores at elections.

- I have never said that jews are selfish. Please reread.

- The problem is not to stick together, it's what you do with that power that is questioned.

- As being the exact explanation of the methods Hitler used, don't be surprised to read what he did; but don't say that it is my personal view. Please reread.


I think you are taking this personally regarding the other thread.

I'd be glad that you stop as I am not sure I can stand defamation and agression on such grounds.

 

[scouser1]

Figured you didn't know your history. King Abdullah offered the Palestinian Jews protection within his kingdom if they allowed Palestine to be absorbed in his kingdom as a means to bring peace in the region . He was murdered for the audacity to offer any Jew protection. This event more than any showed that nationhood was the only guarantee of safety for Jews in Palestine and not the flimsy word of an Arab ruler.

All of this takes place just before the official creation of Israel. Typical though, I always expect those who support tyrants and hate to get this stuff wrong.



bbk

do you have any evidence of this claim that he was going to make an offer to the Jews? I mean he was the head of a country basically carved out of Syria and Palestine by the Brits, (in fact Syria still doesnt recognize Jordan based on this fact) after his Hashemite clan was chased out of Arabia by the house of Saud, and decided to settle in Amman after the Brits convinced him to take a whole boat load of cash rather than march on to Damascus and pick a fight with the Turks.

 

[onthebottom]

it only helps them.- another forum for their hatred.

You know something, you're right and I was wrong, there are some incredibly stupid posts on this thread.

Shame on me, I was trying to make fun of this type of discourse.

OTB

 

[basketcase]

do you have any evidence of this claim that he was going to make an offer to the Jews? I mean he was the head of a country basically carved out of Syria and Palestine by the Brits, (in fact Syria still doesnt recognize Jordan based on this fact) after his Hashemite clan was chased out of Arabia by the house of Saud, and decided to settle in Amman after the Brits convinced him to take a whole boat load of cash rather than march on to Damascus and pick a fight with the Turks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/828993.stm

1951 20 July - King Abdullah assassinated by Palestinian gunman angry at his apparent collusion with Israel in the carve-up of Palestine.

http://www.internationalspecialreports.com/middleeast/99/jordan/9.html

July 1951
King Abdullah is assassinated by a Palestinian opposed to his tolerance of Israel.

I also notice that there is a complete avoidance of why he was assasinated from many sources; a key sign that gives even more credance to the claims.

http://www.thehindu.in/thehindu/2001/07/23/stories/10231045.htm

``The dead monarch had been regarded as the only stabilising factor in that part of the world, which is pivotal in East-West relations. ... King Abdullah, alone of all the Arab leaders, was a moderate in the eyes of the West. He even stood for peace with Israel, and would actually have signed a separate peace agreement but for the Arab League's militant opposition. On account of this, and because of his dream for a Greater Syria comprising Jordan, Syria, and Iraq under the Hashemite dynasty, many Arab countries distrusted Abdullah. They also thought that the late king had betrayed the Arab cause in Palestine. ... It could well be that the shot fired against Abdullah was really a shot against the British, whose most faithful ally he was. American observers too feel that `this assassination may trigger other ultra-nationalist acts that would disturb peace in the Arab world which would be most dangerous'.''

 

[DATYdude]

OTB: I can't tell if you're joking about this too, but I'll assume you're not.

When I first saw your thread I gave an immediate knowing that this would be yet another thread where the haters and the ignorant can rant on (luckily their ranks seem to have thinned), plus just keeping the title of the thread in plain view over time is ugly, since every visitor to the forum sees the phrase "The Jewish Conspiracy" over and over again...

Can't we just agree to let this thread die already, of natural causes (or for you scouser, from demographic necessity)?

You know something, you're right and I was wrong, there are some incredibly stupid posts on this thread.

Shame on me, I was trying to make fun of this type of discourse.

OTB