The Israel Lobby

southpaw

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Tucker makes lyin' Ted squirm.

 
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southpaw

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trump has managed to get americans to protest for Iran over the US and Israel.
well done
At the expense of Americans protesting the dismantling of their own democracy and the economic raping of their own system.
It's the oldest game in the book, classic shell game.
Mistake Trump's psychopathy and ruthlessness for buffoonery and ineptness at your own peril.
 
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At the expense of Americans protesting the dismantling of their own democracy and the economic raping of their own system.
It's the oldest game in the book, classic shell game.
Mistake Trump's psychopathy and ruthlessness for buffoonery and ineptness at your own peril.
I thought the bigger shell game is getting the US to send billions to Israel while they send a few million back and own the entire government.

 
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I thought the bigger shell game is getting the US to send billions to Israel while they send a few million back and own the entire government.

That's what I said, at the expense of their own democracy and economic benefit.
You can site whatever specifics you want, it's all under the same umbrella.
Just fixating on one issue is a distraction from the bigger picture.
 

mellowjello

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trump and the present form of plutocracy is the end result of Citizen's United, which allowed the rich to buy politicians.
trump is the problem now, but the dismantling of democracy started way before.
I agree, that's what I meant about the umbrella.
Citizens are getting fucked on every level, in their daily lives. As much as I support those protests, I can't help but think that it serves as a convenient distraction from the daily misery inflicted by those same politicians on their own citizens.
I think we're basically in agreement.
 
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We are. But the Israel lobby predates Citizens United. It predates AIPAC, with the American Zionist Council. JFK and RFK tried to make them register with FARA. The rest is history.

I agree with that too.
But the domestic stuff has gone off the rails so hard and so fast in the last 15 - 20 years, ever since CU.
I'm all for the protesting obviously but it seems like everything else is being swept under the rug because it's not as dramatic or conspicuous.
 

Frankfooter

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I agree, that's what I meant about the umbrella.
Citizens are getting fucked on every level, in their daily lives. As much as I support those protests, I can't help but think that it serves as a convenient distraction from the daily misery inflicted by those same politicians on their own citizens.
I think we're basically in agreement.
Really, it seems to be the ultra rich that are fucking everything up.
Palestine, climate change and killing democracy.

We really are getting close to an eat the rich moment.
 
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