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strange1 said:
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What do you have against the metric system? Too easy to use?
No! Just because it was shoved down our throats, and the cost for industry to comply. PET told us we had to embrace it, but the US of A still isn't behind it, and Canada still isn't 100% complient.
 

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There is no way in hell, that Harper will be PM in Canada. He is just palin boring. A leader without charisma.
That isn't the issue. It was decided years ago on the Plains of Abraham, that Canada would eventually be controlled by the French and Roman Catholics. As far as I know, Harper doesn't fit in either category.
 

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This is still an issue? Never gonna happen in the US. When the metric system was tried in a lame attempt in the 1970's, it was met with total indifference.
 

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pussylicker said:
it was shoved down our throats...PET told us we had to embrace it
Indeed. Is there any better proof that the metric system is a stratagem in a totalitarian, French power game ?
 

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Truncador said:
The will to power behind it. The same reason why NASCAR is superior to that despicably totalitarian Formula 1 racing.
Turning right is over rated.

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onthebottom said:
Turning right is over rated.

OTB
Didn't stop you, apparently.
 

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Asterix said:
Didn't stop you, apparently.
Yuck yuck....

So NASCAR guys only turn left at the track.......

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Yuck yuck....

So NASCAR guys only turn left at the track.......

OTB
I got it OTB, I just can't resist a straight line.
 

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I got it OTB, I just can't resist a straight line.
I know, I was just replying with a similar level of hummor.

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It's not for nothing that stock-car racing is regarded as vulgar by the same elites who denounce common law as an irrational mess and who dream of replacing a spontaneous order of liberty with a centrally planned and engineered utopia. Formula One is the isomorph in the world of sport to police-State government in the word of politics, a classic case of what Hayek identified as "constructivism". The F1 race car is pure artifact, an attempt to engineer the ultimate machine from theoretical first principles, which machine has no existence of its own prior to the will of the governing body that ordained it into being. Engineering the perfect machine is no bad thing in itself- but this technological project is, first and foremost, a social project; the social prototype of this machine is the old European dream of the "well-ordered police State" in all its permutations from Enlightened despotism to National Socialism and Stalinism. Engineered speed symbolizes the might of the State as it hurtles through history to its destiny (it should be noted that there were no speed limits on Hitler's Autobahns). The blueprint or diagram that gives us the F1 car in the field of sport gives us the Five Year Plan, the Prussian war machine, and the extermination gas chamber in the field of government.

The stock car, by contrast, corresponds to the rule of common law. One takes an existing vehicle- one that ordinary people actually own and drive in day-to-day life, and which thus has an organic social existence all its own outside of any technocratic fantasies or socialist formulas or five-year plans- and improves on it without doing violence to its nature. In the field of politics, this corresponds to how 21st century North Americans do business and govern themselves in and according to institutions and laws that are suitably upgraded, but still essentially feudal; the Toronto businessman of today still sends MPs to Parliament, insists on his right to habeas corpus and jury trial, and litigates in court on the basis of principles that long antedate the will of the Liberal Party.
 

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So by this definition what is arguably America's race, the Indy 500, is a symbol of a "well-ordered police state".
 

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Truncador said:
It's not for nothing that stock-car racing is regarded as vulgar by the same elites who denounce common law as an irrational mess and who dream of replacing a spontaneous order of liberty with a centrally planned and engineered utopia. Formula One is the isomorph in the world of sport to police-State government in the word of politics, a classic case of what Hayek identified as "constructivism". The F1 race car is pure artifact, an attempt to engineer the ultimate machine from theoretical first principles, which machine has no existence of its own prior to the will of the governing body that ordained it into being. Engineering the perfect machine is no bad thing in itself- but this technological project is, first and foremost, a social project; the social prototype of this machine is the old European dream of the "well-ordered police State" in all its permutations from Enlightened despotism to National Socialism and Stalinism. Engineered speed symbolizes the might of the State as it hurtles through history to its destiny (it should be noted that there were no speed limits on Hitler's Autobahns). The blueprint or diagram that gives us the F1 car in the field of sport gives us the Five Year Plan, the Prussian war machine, and the extermination gas chamber in the field of government.

The stock car, by contrast, corresponds to the rule of common law. One takes an existing vehicle- one that ordinary people actually own and drive in day-to-day life, and which thus has an organic social existence all its own outside of any technocratic fantasies or socialist formulas or five-year plans- and improves on it without doing violence to its nature. In the field of politics, this corresponds to how 21st century North Americans do business and govern themselves in and according to institutions and laws that are suitably upgraded, but still essentially feudal; the Toronto businessman of today still sends MPs to Parliament, insists on his right to habeas corpus and jury trial, and litigates in court on the basis of principles that long antedate the will of the Liberal Party.
Stupid me. I always thought that racing was just a bunch of cars trying to get to the finish line first.
Where do you come up with this kind of stuff?
I haven't figured out if you are incredibly smart or just plain paranoid...in any case it makes good reading and good thinking...THX

On the other hand...I am being accused of being simplistic...right DQ?
 

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Asterix said:
So by this definition what is arguably America's race, the Indy 500, is a symbol of a "well-ordered police state".
This objection doesn't make the analysis any more or less correct. The liberal, common-law mind and the constructivist, police mind aren't watertight entities existing in a mutually-exclusive geographical distribution. Constructivism has a long and distinguished pedigree in America, not least of all because Germans and Judeo-Germans make up the second largest ethnic group there, but also because the dissenting Protestantism on which America was founded- for all its individualism- had a deep and indelible paternalistic streak in it, dissenting with absolutism only over the question of whether or not the King, as opposed to God, was the father of the people. These Protestant groups often had their own utopian blueprints for a perfect social machinery to be leveraged into being from scratch, with the difference being that this machine wasn't intended to serve the greater glory of the State (consider the fact it was the Quaker colonists- fiercely anti-Statist communitarians- who invented the modern prison, later praised by Founding Father Dr. Benjamin Rush as a "republican machine"); and the Continental treatises on polizeiwissenschaft were by no means unknown to them.
 

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langeweile said:
Where do you come up with this kind of stuff?
I don't have a life :(
 

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Truncador said:
It's not for nothing that stock-car racing is regarded as vulgar by the same elites who denounce common law as an irrational mess and who dream of replacing a spontaneous order of liberty with a centrally planned and engineered utopia. Formula One is the isomorph in the world of sport to police-State government in the word of politics, a classic case of what Hayek identified as "constructivism". The F1 race car is pure artifact, an attempt to engineer the ultimate machine from theoretical first principles, which machine has no existence of its own prior to the will of the governing body that ordained it into being. Engineering the perfect machine is no bad thing in itself- but this technological project is, first and foremost, a social project; the social prototype of this machine is the old European dream of the "well-ordered police State" in all its permutations from Enlightened despotism to National Socialism and Stalinism. Engineered speed symbolizes the might of the State as it hurtles through history to its destiny (it should be noted that there were no speed limits on Hitler's Autobahns). The blueprint or diagram that gives us the F1 car in the field of sport gives us the Five Year Plan, the Prussian war machine, and the extermination gas chamber in the field of government.

The stock car, by contrast, corresponds to the rule of common law. One takes an existing vehicle- one that ordinary people actually own and drive in day-to-day life, and which thus has an organic social existence all its own outside of any technocratic fantasies or socialist formulas or five-year plans- and improves on it without doing violence to its nature. In the field of politics, this corresponds to how 21st century North Americans do business and govern themselves in and according to institutions and laws that are suitably upgraded, but still essentially feudal; the Toronto businessman of today still sends MPs to Parliament, insists on his right to habeas corpus and jury trial, and litigates in court on the basis of principles that long antedate the will of the Liberal Party.
Dude, you gotta stop reading Derrida. :rolleyes:
 

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pussylicker said:
No! Just because it was shoved down our throats, and the cost for industry to comply. PET told us we had to embrace it, but the US of A still isn't behind it, and Canada still isn't 100% complient.
Sorry, too young to have gone through this. I hate working in imperial units. Too many conversion ratios.

Truncador said:
Indeed. Is there any better proof that the metric system is a stratagem in a totalitarian, French power game ?
Ranks right up there with the communists putting fluoride in the water.
 

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strange1 said:
Sorry, too young to have gone through this. I hate working in imperial units. Too many conversion ratios.



Ranks right up there with the communists putting fluoride in the water.
Ah, yes. The communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our bodily fluids. Dr. Strangelove. Kubrick at his best.
 

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LifeSucks said:
Dude, you gotta stop reading Derrida.
Actually in this case it's a combination of Barthes, Karl Marx, Hayek, and late-period Foucault. Were he alive, Derrida would deconstruct that post eight ways from Sunday; it's to a grammatologist what a computer running all ports open online is to a hacker ;)


Strange1: said:
Originally Posted by Truncador
Indeed. Is there any better proof that the metric system is a stratagem in a totalitarian, French power game ?

Ranks right up there with the communists putting fluoride in the water.
No, it doesn't. Not to trivialize the campaign against water flouridation, though; far from being frivolous, that campaign adressed some extremely serious issues, namely of building nanny-State controls into the very physical infrastructure or environment (in which respect the flouridation proponents were on the cutting edge of a psychotically totalitarian public-health movement that luckily seems to have floundered and died).
 

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Truncador said:
No, it doesn't. Not to trivialize the campaign against water flouridation, though; far from being frivolous, that campaign adressed some extremely serious issues, namely of building nanny-State controls into the very physical infrastructure or environment (in which respect the flouridation proponents were on the cutting edge of a psychotically totalitarian public-health movement that luckily seems to have floundered and died).
Damn, I meant it as a joke. Now I'm getting scared!!!
 

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Truncador said:
Actually in this case it's a combination of Barthes, Karl Marx, Hayek, and late-period Foucault. Were he alive, Derrida would deconstruct that post eight ways from Sunday; it's to a grammatologist what a computer running all ports open online is to a hacker
Mind if I ask what you do for living? You and I are obviously of a somewhat different persuasion, but it's not everyday that I come across a guy (or gal, as the case might be) whose readings swing from Hayek to Foucault, not to mention picky enough to highlight Foucault's latter days. I find that many resident Bushphiliacs on this board are caricatures lifted straight from the show Simple Life, whose sophomoric understanding of politics and political theory emasculates their minds too much to engage in any decent dialogue beyond screaming the dreaded word "lefties" and "liberals," but you, my friend, you actually show some signs of intelligence, which is a rare commodity among the flag-waving, foaming-in-the-mouth, Bible-thumping Bush supporters. Certainly this is the first time that I've come across a confessed Bushphiliac who actually knows that Foucault is not an automobile brand.

We both know, of course, that Dubya himself could hardly make any sense of your posts, let alone grasp a single paragraph of Derrida. ;)
 
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