The Great Debate

[WyattEarp]

Not to mention Americans being far more "tribal" with general political polarization/racism/religionism in general compared to Canadians...

The U.S. is almost 9x larger than Canada. Seems like it was mentioned a lot in the debate tonight, but we also have a large, porous Southern border that a very loud, vocal minority wants to keep open. The sheer numbers of migrants would drown Canada if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[WyattEarp]

Seem like he's still fixated on Biden and running against him.

I didn't hear that tonight.
I think she's doing a crafty job of running away from the current Administration and its policies.

 

[WyattEarp]

Then get off this site and go hang out with the rest of the brain washed, uneducated hillbilly red necks down there in the good old USA......

You do realize the irony of you telling an American to get off this site on a thread that it 100% about the U.S. Presidential election.

 

[WyattEarp]

I agree, then the divergence started to happen and move towards European idealism. In my opinion, Canada has always been a great country. I just don't like where it is today.

From reading these threads for a few years, either progressive Canadians have taken over this forum or Canadians don't question authority enough and have a certain complacency.

It's probably a bit of both.

 

[WyattEarp]

People aren’t equal. They never were. Elitism and superiority are very real.That’s where socialism and socialist policies fail. The strong don’t want to wait for the rest to catch up.

But the good thing about capitalism is that your social standing is not set in stone. Even in a corrupt capitalistic society, the poor can rise up to be strong if they try hard enough.

A perfect example are Indians. Most came from middle class Indian families, studied until their head heart, came to America, and rose to the top.

Jalimon is a guy who recently claimed he supported U.S. Republicans in the past. I think he was doing a bit of "false flagging" to portray himself as the voice of reason.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

From reading these threads for a few years, either progressive Canadians have taken over this forum or Canadians don't question authority enough and have a certain complacency.

It's probably a bit of both.

Neither. Canadians are just a little bit more reasonable and believe in actual freedoms for people than resorting to meaningless rhetoric like the Americans.

 

[Leimonis]

 

[WyattEarp]

Neither. Canadians are just a little bit more reasonable and believe in actual freedoms for people than resorting to meaningless rhetoric like the Americans.

I don't know your handle.

You should dig into Canada's structural economic stagnation for the last two decades. You're falling behind the industrialized West while most of your population lives 100 miles from an economic engine to the South. Something's up and it ain't your economy.

Like I have said before, the economy pays for all the nice "social" things people seem to want the government to provide.

 

[WyattEarp]

I actually think that if you wanted a more fair TERB reaction you would post this poll in The Lounge. The political forum has been hijacked by progressives who don't fairly represent the broader membership.

 

[WyattEarp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833722316276035899

Perhaps the Trump people are trying to win back the Cat Ladies.

 

[WyattEarp]

The US is in huge decline. I have travelled it intensively for many years. Canada is in decline as well but we will fair just a tad bit better because of our social security measures.

One word: Stagnation
Stagnation could be tolerable to some hardcore lefties who are 100% about their ideals.
The problem is you have an immigration system that you can't pay for and that will drain everything else.

I teach my kids (who are almost adults) to prepare a move to Asia, Portugal, Spain, Italy, and maybe even Mexico...

Do you even know what you are talking about? They might be great places to visit, but most of them are a mess.

Sure if you make your money in North America, you can live comfortably in the rest of the world. Never mind that most the locals are fucked.

 

[WyattEarp]

If it weren’t for the school shootings, I wouldn’t believe that the southern US even have schools!

Bring Your Dad's Gun to School Day is very popular down South

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Wow Donnie lost so bad even fox admits it https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over

 

[WyattEarp]

Trump has to find something else other than immigration to talk about because it was novel in 2016, repetitive and redundant in 2024. IMHO.

How can an issue that Americans currently put right up there with the economy as most important be repetitive and redundant?

We live down here. If we live in or near a reasonable size U.S. city, we see the issue for ourselves first-hand.

This is something the left-leaning Canadians here cannot comprehend or refuse to comprehend. We are not making up mass migration.

Fuck! If Kamala loses, this along with inflation will be the big reasons. The Biden Administration should have acted sooner but were beholden to the progressive wing of the party.

 

[Leimonis]

Wow Donnie lost so bad even fox admits it https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over

All the righties in my X feed are wailing and whining like crazy. It can only mean Trump lost badly.

 

[WyattEarp]

All the righties in my X feed are wailing and whining like crazy. It can only mean Trump lost badly.

Trump's lost (as you put it) debates before. I enjoy the network analysts spinning their post-debate analysis. They micro-analyze everything he says. We're used to that down here.

 

[NotADcotor]

All the righties in my X feed are wailing and whining like crazy. It can only mean Trump lost badly.

Pretty much.
Same thing here, with the talking points Mitch is going on about it is obvious that he is un utter terror that he done fucked up and he knows it.

 

[Big Rig]

Trump's lost (as you put it) debates before. I enjoy the network analysts spinning their post-debate analysis. They micro-analyze everything he says. We're used to that down here.

micro-analyze???

Trump has never won a debate as he lies about everything but MAGA believes
his whopping lies and that is very sad

If Trump ever comes to Canada we will throw him in jail

 

[wigglee]

I don't understand why there are so many weak men in the political section of this forum. I guess most are old men who need socialism to protect them in their old age or lazy men.

She didn't kick ass. I don't know what reality you live in. How could someone like Putin ever respect her or take her seriously? Why hasn't their administration done any of the things she's proposing? She's still in the White House. Why didn't she meet with BB? What is her vision other than false optimism? What did I learn from Kamala today that has any substance? This was on her turf with ABC and she most likely even received the questions beforehand.
Also massive bias by the moderators but that was expected.

You're argument for Kamala can't be that you hate Trump. It's not a strong enough argument to elect someone to become President.

Nothing came out of this debate and each side will say they won.

Her turf? Trump got 6 minutes more talking time ( but of course he just filled it with repeating the same dire warnings about the evil migrants . Why did they allow his mic back on when he continually rebutted her comments, but she never got the same chance to answer his lies? The moderators were weak and allowed Trump to babble on and on, but that only showed him to be a babbling fool, jumping from topic to topic.

 

[wigglee]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833706228360307107

Full Debate Analysis: Trump won convincingly, had a strong performance, despite going into a 3-1 debate against the moderators. However, Kamala did not bomb, and did enough to keep her campaign alive. The story of the debate is ABC showing their blatant bias in favor of Kamala, and weaponized their “fact-checks” solely at Trump. They let Kamala lie unchecked about everything from the Project 2025 hoax, to the Charlottesville hoax, and everything in between. The ABC moderators showed a clear and obvious hostility towards Trump, that they did not show towards Kamala, and in many cases, teed Kamala up to bash Trump with prepared talking points. It is now abundantly clear why Kamala refused to accept the debate on Fox News, because her campaign knew she would receive preferential treatment on ABC. Kamala also was well-rehearsed, which is unlike her, almost as if she had the questions given to her ahead of time. If ABC were willing to be adversarial towards Trump, why would they stop there? Why wouldn’t they give Kamala the questions? ABC (Disney) just confirmed on national TV, that they are in bed with the DNC, and given their war-like posture towards Trump, I think it’s safe to assume Kamala’s campaign were made aware of the questions before hand. With all that being said, Trump got the viral moments of the night, stuck to his gameplan, and brushed off the endless lies and repeated attacks, from both Kamala and the moderators. Kamala’s optics were terrible, with her constant smirking, making faces, emotional responses, and monotone phony tone. And Trump refused to let her get her viral moment. Kamala’s gameplan was to appear more moderate, and blame Trump for all the problems she and Biden created over the last 4 years, but anyone who has been paying attention saw this for what it was. Given Kamala held her own and did not implode, we can expect the compromised MSM to claim Kamala won, and the headlines will be about Trump talking about Haitians eating pets. However, the viral internet clips will belong to Trump. Overall, Kamala did not gain any ground, Trump put on a solid performance, and the public got to see the MSM are clearly engaged in election interference in favor of the Dems. Net positive for Trump

bullshit... Trump had 6 minutes more air time and interjected numerous unscripted rebuttals where ABC turned his mic back on and let him ramble on. Kamala did not get that luxury.