The Future of Israel?

Darts

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Being a realist I have to ask:

What is the future of Israel?
 

Frankfooter

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Netanyahu will kill as many as he can until US support ends.

International pressure will mount for boycotts and sanctions to fix what Israel refuses to fix.
Eventually Israel will end apartheid.
Palestinians will get the vote.
Israel will change.

Hopefully the ICC finally gets around to charging leaders of Hamas and Israel and they are charged for war crimes.
 

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All these rallies, recall of diplomats, calling for ceasefire, UN Meetings are completely useless CRAP, just ignore all of these.

If anybody could have stepped in, they would have, nobody did, all Iran did was verbally threatening Israel and have the proxies fire a few rockets.

The future? Israel will defeat Hamas, Gaza will be bombed to the stone age, and lands at the border will be seized by Israel to build more barrier, settlers will continue to move to West Bank. Israel will prosper. No two state solution.

As for "ending apartheid", no bloody way, Israel cannot risk having a Muslim majority in the country, just look what Palestinians did to Lebanon.
 

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All these rallies, recall of diplomats, calling for ceasefire, UN Meetings are completely useless CRAP, just ignore all of these.

If anybody could have stepped in, they would have, nobody did, all Iran did was verbally threatening Israel and have the proxies fire a few rockets.

The future? Israel will defeat Hamas, Gaza will be bombed to the stone age, and lands at the border will be seized by Israel to build more barrier, settlers will continue to move to West Bank. Israel will prosper. No two state solution.

As for "ending apartheid", no bloody way, Israel cannot risk having a Muslim majority in the country, just look what Palestinians did to Lebanon.
The genocide will go on as long as Biden lets it. Once the US says stop Netanyahu will have to stop.
He won't get rid of Hamas, and Netanyahu will become a failure and a wanted war criminal.
PLM movements will move forward and the pushback against Israeli lobbying will be massive.

Eventually apartheid will end.
 

Darts

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All these rallies, recall of diplomats, calling for ceasefire, UN Meetings are completely useless CRAP, just ignore all of these.

If anybody could have stepped in, they would have, nobody did, all Iran did was verbally threatening Israel and have the proxies fire a few rockets.

The future? Israel will defeat Hamas, Gaza will be bombed to the stone age, and lands at the border will be seized by Israel to build more barrier, settlers will continue to move to West Bank. Israel will prosper. No two state solution.

As for "ending apartheid", no bloody way, Israel cannot risk having a Muslim majority in the country, just look what Palestinians did to Lebanon.
Yes, that makes sense in the present and in the near future. However, time and demographics are not on Israel's side. There are currently 2 billion (give or take) Muslims in the world. That number will likely grow to 4 billion in the next 25 years. More importantly, the number of Muslims in the U.S. and western countries will be the same or greater than the number of Jews and they all vote (when of voting age).
 

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Hamas and Israel and they are charged for war crimes.
Which war crimes do you think that Hamas should be charged with?
I predict that you will not have an answer.
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You remind me of an all time great baseball player called Frank Howard of the Washington Senators.

In your case it is frank Coward. You are spineless.

What war crimes should Hamas be charged with? Maybe you were too busy reading Mein Kampf.
 
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What is the future of Israel?
One scenario will see Israel seizing oil fields in the Middle East
and bring them under the management of the U.S. and the west
as oil supply outside OPEC finally falls off the Seneca Cliff. That will
eliminate oil as a weapon like it was used in the 1973 oil embargo to
punish the west for its support of Israel as well as making the U.S.
an even bigger poodle of its master in Jerusalem than it already is.
 

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It is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, but what I think will happen is that eventually Gaza, Israel and West Bank will unite in a 1 state solution in some form of arrangement for self-determination. And further down the road, it may actually turn into a secular democracy when the present generations die off and a newer, younger generation who is tired of the BS takes over.

Here's to hoping. 🍻
I still would not rule out a two state solution much like India /Pakistan. Not perfect but still better than the status quo.
 
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Which war crimes do you think that Hamas should be charged with?
I predict that you will not have an answer.
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You remind me of an all time great baseball player called Frank Howard of the Washington Senators.

In your case it is frank Coward. You are spineless.

What war crimes should Hamas be charged with? Maybe you were too busy reading Mein Kampf.
I've answered multiple times, shack.
But you back killing babies and I have no desire to answer anything from you.
You refuse to say its wrong for Israel to kill babies and children and have only called for destroying the 'haystack' to get one needle.

What kind of evil monster refuses to say that killing kids is wrong?
What kind of monster backs a racist movement that has killed 4000 children in a month?

 

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I still would not rule out a two state solution much like India /Pakistan. Not perfect but still better than the status quo.
It can't be done, there isn't enough land.
The only thing that can happen is for sanctions and boycotts to force Israel to give Palestinians the vote and equal rights.

Make Israel a democracy.
Give Palestinians the vote.
End apartheid.
Ceasefire.

 
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Darts

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As long as the Israeli tail wags the US dog, they'll be just fine.
The question is for how much longer? The Muslim population is growing faster than the Jewish population in the U.S. and they all vote (those of voting age).
 

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I still would not rule out a two state solution much like India /Pakistan. Not perfect but still better than the status quo.
I don't understand the rationale of the people who proclaim that "the 2 state solution is dead". Why do they say that with such certainty?
 

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I've answered multiple times, shack.
But you back killing babies and I have no desire to answer anything from you.
You never have.
You refuse to say its wrong for Israel to kill babies and children and have only called for destroying the 'haystack' to get one needle.
That's not true. I answer you every time, just the way you answer me when I ask you if you consider the Oct. 7 an act of terrorism by Hamas, as they killed 1,400 civilians.
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Frankfooter

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You never have.

That's not true. I answer you every time, just the way you answer me when I ask you if you consider the Oct. 7 an act of terrorism by Hamas, as they killed 1,400 civilians.
No, you refuse to denounce killing children and civilians.
You refuse to denounce an illegal occupation.
You refuse to denounce apartheid.
You refuse to denounce settler terrorism.
You refuse to denounce genocide.


 

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I still would not rule out a two state solution much like India /Pakistan. Not perfect but still better than the status quo.
It's not doable with Israel and Palestinians...this conflict will never end with Hamas' destruction....will this conflict end when the jews are gone? it won't...Hamas have other infidels on their list to cleanse the world of... Gaza & West Bank has been proposed to be annexed by Egypt and Jordan but both refused it (I wonder why? Why franky?) Israel will always be challenged? The real future of Israel will be shaped in the West...
 
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It's not doable with Israel and Palestinians...this conflict will never end with Hamas' destruction....will this conflict end when the jews are gone? it won't...Hamas have other infidels on their list to cleanse the world of... Gaza & West Bank has been proposed to be annexed by Egypt and Jordan but both refused it (I wonder why? Why franky?) Israel will always be challenged? The real future of Israel will be shaped in the West...
End the cycle of violence.

Ceasefire.
End the occupation
End apartheid
Charge the leaders of both sides.

 

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check out map of hate
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