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Bloody Hell.........See: http://money.canoe.ca/News/Sectors/Technology/2008/04/14/5281886-ap.html

SEATTLE (AP) — Microsoft Corp.’s operating systems run most personal computers around the globe and are a cash cow for the world’s largest software maker. But you’d never confuse a Windows user with the passionate fans of Mac OS X or even the free Linux operating system.

Unless it’s someone running Windows XP, a version Microsoft wants to retire.
Fans of the six-year-old operating system set to be pulled off store shelves in June have papered the Internet with blog posts, cartoons and petitions recently. They trumpet its superiority to Windows Vista, Microsoft’s latest PC operating system, whose consumer launch last January was greeted with lukewarm reviews.

No matter how hard Microsoft works to persuade people to embrace Vista, some just can’t be wowed. They complain about Vista’s hefty hardware requirements, its less-than-peppy performance, occasional incompatibility with other programs and devices and frequent, irritating security pop-up windows.

For them, the impending disappearance of XP computers from retailers, and the phased withdrawal of technical support in coming years, is causing a minor panic.

Take, for instance, Galen Gruman. A longtime technology journalist, Gruman is more accustomed to writing about trends than starting them.
But after talking to Windows users for months, he realized his distaste for Vista and strong attachment to XP were widespread.

“It sort of hit us that, wait a minute, XP will be gone as of June 30. What are we going to do?” he said. “If no one does something, it’s going to be gone.”
So Gruman started a Save XP Web petition, gathering since January more than 100,000 signatures and thousands of comments, mostly from die-hard XP users who want Microsoft to keep selling it until the next version of Windows is released, currently targeted for 2010.

On the petition site’s comments section, some users proclaimed they will downgrade from Vista to XP — an option available in the past to businesses, but now open for the first time to consumers who buy Vista Ultimate or Business editions — if they need to buy a new computer after XP goes off the market.

Others used the comments section to rail against the very idea that Microsoft has the power to enforce the phase-out from a stable, decent product to one that many consider worse, while profiting from the move. Many threatened to leave Windows for Apple or Linux machines.
Microsoft already extended the XP deadline once, but it shows no signs it will do so again. The company has declined to meet with Gruman to consider the petition. Microsoft is aware of the petition, it said in a statement to The Associated Press, and “will continue to be guided by feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs.”
Gruman said he’d keep pressing for a meeting.

“They really believe if they just close their eyes, people will have no choice,” he said.

In fact, most people who get a new computer will end up with Vista. In 2008, 94 percent of new Windows machines for consumers worldwide will run Vista, forecasts industry research group IDC. For businesses, about 75 percent of new PCs will have Vista. (That figure takes into account companies that choose to downgrade to XP.)

Although Microsoft may not budge on selling new copies of XP, it may have to extend support for it.

Al Gillen, an IDC analyst, estimated that at the end of 2008 nearly 60 percent of consumer PCs and almost 70 percent of business PCs worldwide will still run XP. Microsoft plans to end full support — including warranty claims and free help with problems — in April 2009. The company will continue providing a more limited level of service until April 2014.

Gillen said efforts like Gruman’s grass-roots petition may not influence the software maker, but business customers’ demands should carry more clout.
“You really can’t make 69 percent of your installed base unhappy with you,” he said.

Some companies — such as Wells Manufacturing Co. in Woodstock, Ill. — are crossing their fingers that he’s right. The company, which melts scrap steel and casts iron bars, has 200 PCs that run Windows 2000 or XP. (Windows 2000 is no longer sold on PCs. Mainstream support has ended, but limited support is available through the middle of 2010.)

Wells usually replaces 50 of its PCs every 18 months. In the most recent round of purchases, Chief Information Officer Lou Peterhans said, the company stuck with XP because several of its applications don’t run well on Vista.

“There is no strong reason to go to Vista, other than eventually losing support for XP,” he said. Peterhans added that the company isn’t planning to bring in Vista computers for 18 months to two years. If Microsoft keeps to its current timetable, its next operating system, code-named Windows 7, will be on the market by then.
 

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microsoft will be stupid not to give consumers the option of buying xp. they still make a ton of money no matter what os is sold
 

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Microsoft's business model is based on continuous upgrades, and withdraw support for older versions. Without upgrades, no sales. However, We may have reached the point where the additional bells and whistles are not worth it for most users. XP is stable, and although a pig for memory, better in that respect than Vista. Same thing goes with the evolution of Office. I really don't think there has been any significant developments since about 2000, but they keep trying to release new versions.
 

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well taking xp off shelves doesn't solve much. if people aren't going to upgrade they won't. if they're buying a windows product for a new pc it would be smart to give them the option of xp. macs have been gaining in popularity.

i might end up going with vista this summer when i upgrade and go with a 6 monitor setup, but i don't know anyone who likes vista lol
 

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It will be interesting to see how "big business" reacts to this. I think this may be a cornerstone in the consumer product market in respect to big business dictating to consumers what they should spend their money on.

The proper business decision would be to continue to sell and support a product that consumers want yet who says businesses do that? I know Microsoft is a giant when it comes to size/dollars but so was world.com and enron and look what happened to them? If they aren't careful they may find that they will push, no SHOVE all their customers over to the Dark side (aka Mac)........
 

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BTW: I'd have no problem changing my O/S but it'd would definitely have to be an improvement not a step backwards or have more issues than the previous one.
 

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Wells usually replaces 50 of its PCs every 18 months. In the most recent round of purchases, Chief Information Officer
Lou Peterhans said,
the company stuck with XP because several of its applications don’t run well on Vista.
“There is no strong reason to go to Vista, other than eventually losing support for XP,” he said. Peterhans added that the company isn’t planning to bring in Vista computers for 18 months to two years. If Microsoft keeps to its current timetable, its next operating system, code-named Windows 7, will be on the market by then.
For folks in similar boat as above there ain't much choice when it is prime for them to keep things flowing. There is not much point for upgrading to vista if it's not that compatible with your current biz/productivity apps .

So far I don't have problems with xp and my mac's and I won't be touching vista until I upgrade my work puters in 2009.

For non work stuff, linux will the the OS I'll look into. And I'll say it again, Micro$oft sucks.
 

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smiley27 said:
And everything in this Universe will come to an end sooner or later. That will also happen to Microsoft. It's only matter of time.
Wishful thinking that's frequently heard from people who wish Microsoft would just hurry up and fail/die.

The bottom line is that none of the alternatives are going to beat Microsoft. Only when a company comes up with the next revolutionary step in computers will Microsoft be threatened. Coming up with a more efficient operating system isn't good enough. It has to be a quantum leap. And right now, all I see are competitors trying to compete with Microsoft for the best operating system. The usurper will be the one who gets past the operating system and comes up with the next "big thing"...
 

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Microsoft still makes money selling stand-alone versions of XP for people who want to downgrade from VISTA. I believe the only reason they want to retire XP is because it puts an end to copied software.
 

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Hmm I thought XP had a built in authorization system that if you went online with a copied version of XP it would invalidate the O/S and you wouldn't be able to boot up?

I thought the only way around this was not to go online?
 

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tboy said:
Hmm I thought XP had a built in authorization system that if you went online with a copied version of XP it would invalidate the O/S and you wouldn't be able to boot up?

I thought the only way around this was not to go online?
Nope.
I keep my backup version of XP Pro on an old HDD.
Then when I format the drive all I do is swap drives and copy over the XP OS from that old drive back to the freshly formatted drive then swap the drives back again and all is like new. It's faster than using the reinstall disc. Have done this several times and it was never invalidated and I still get all the perpetual windows XP updates.

That being said I've also been using linux Ubuntu a lot and don't really need Windows or even the more pricy Mac at all. Ubuntu is a very nice OS which runs faster than XP or Vista and does pretty much all needed and you can't beat the price.....it's FREE.
You can download and burn an Ubuntu install CD then run it off that CD to give it a 'test drive' or go to the Ubuntu website and they will send you a free OS CD.
 

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tersey said:
Can many of the same things I will be learning be transferable to Vista. Thanks.
Vista a different OS than XP but there are similarites.
 

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Meister said:
Microsoft still makes money selling stand-alone versions of XP for people who want to downgrade from VISTA. I believe the only reason they want to retire XP is because it puts an end to copied software.
If you are referring to the DRM, there are ways around that. I just put my MS Office, Word program from XP Pro into Vista with no problems.
 

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Come on guys....Vista's not that bad....

*plugs ears and waits for the screaming and rush of rotting tomatoes*

I mean, Microsoft is protecting me from doing the wrong thing. From changing a background, to simply opening up the control panel, Vista ensures that I am not doing something I don't want to do. I mean, who doesn't like constant reminder, nagging and a slight overhaul of the interface? (I mean really...I've always wanted to be able to interactively scroll through windows and BEING ABLE TO SEE EACH WINDOW INTERACTIVELY (without using CTRL+ ALT + TAB) instead of being able to access things easily in the control panel. )

And with some drivers/programs not being compatible with Vista...You should ask yourself, do you really need that program in the first place? Chances are, you probably don't - and Vista is telling you that.

In terms of downgrading....You've got it all wrong. By changing from Vista to XP, users are UPGRADING to a more reliable, and user friendly system. That's all! ^_^

(Yes, Vista does suck. I am using it on my laptop...I've gotten used to it though. If certain programs don't work, I cuss, get angry and then realize that I could just "UPGRADE" to XP....or turn on my PC that has XP.:D )
 

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I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Vista. XP runs great so I'll stick with it and settle for whatever comes on my next PC. By then Vista should be debugged. I see no reason to run off and buy a Vista upgrade and forget about Apple, it costs too much. I don't have any problems with Windows so why pay more for Apple?

With all the talk about linux I have been experimenting with Ubuntu. It's kinda neat and I like its look. I like the fact there is no need for antivirus and spytware apps. It is nice to be able to surf all the risky sites and not worry about anything bad being put on my PC. First ran it off the CD then after liking it put it on and old PC. It runs quick and lean and must come fully loaded with a hundred or so programs.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
If you are referring to the DRM, there are ways around that. I just put my MS Office, Word program from XP Pro into Vista with no problems.
I meant being able to install other copied software. I don't have Vista, but I heard of other people having problems installing copied software onto Vista such as Autocad, Solidworks.... even with a key generator.
 

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So far my experience with Vista is pretty good. I have found bugs but for the most part I have been able to do almost everything I did with XP including loading all my torrented software ie Office 2007 etc..

One thing that I have not figured out is the Task Scheduler in Vista. I scheduled a task to backup my mail (PST) file to a network drive nightly. I can see the task runs but it does not copy the file. I had closed mail so I know the file is not in use. Seems to not have authentication to write to my network drive from the scheduler. I can run the script manually from command line so I know I can access the share normally. Must be something I gotta do to connect to the drive first under scheduler.?
 

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office 2007 is actually worth the upgrade. i like vista but it only installed on my quad core.
I couldn't disagree more.. it's about 7 steps backwards. The changes they made to it frustrated me so much that it convinced me to try out linux..
 
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