The cops just busted in on me at a MP!!!

[shogun89]

I've never been so happy to have a mpa short time me. After going to 2 SRM locations And walking out because they were both so busy and had hardly any girls left, I headed home towards TO. Well being indecisive I took the wrong fork on the highway and find myself going eastbound on the 401 And decided I may as well take a detour and check out Ambassador spa on the way home. I chose the best looking girl there who I will not name and went upstairs for a half hour massage. There was another guy who went into his room at the exact same time as me. The girl comes then and I will not go into details, but she asked me to flip over after barely 2 minutes of back massage. I do not object because I do not go there for the back massage.

Anyways we're finished 15 minutes into the session and then I hop in the shower. 30 seconds into my shower I think the mirror the door busts open. I was thinking what the fuck why is the front desk guy coming in now we've only been 15 minutes. But then I looked closer and I see a dark blue uniform and a badge. He walks away and the girl goes over and closes the door. Then she comes back to me and says it's the cops. I thought she was joking. She told me to stay right there in the shower And I don't know what to do in these situations. She grabs my clothes and throw them to me in the shower and tells me to get dressed in the shower. I asked her again if she's serious. She started laughing at me and said don't be scared, but how the fuck can I not be scared, if he came in 30 seconds ear earlier, he would have got an eyeful.

She told me to get finished getting dressed and come downstairs and say to the cops that I only had a $40 basic massage. I throw the rest of my clothes and head outside and I hear all the girls downstairs around the front desk. I'm debating if I should go downstairs and also look for a back way out but there was none. I walk downstairs and saw all the girls gathered around the 2 cops who looked like he was taking names in his book. I dont know if he didnt notice me cuz i was trying not to make noise but He didn't even look up at me but the girls turned around and made an "oh shit" face and they giggled.

I Tiptoed over to the door opened it quietly did not look back and stepped outside thinking please cop dont notice me and call me back in. I started to speed walk over to my car and drove the fuck out of there. As much as I like this girl that I saw I think I'm too scared to go back.

 

[NHFL]

I know you were there, but I don't know if it was the Police/Cops/LE, or whether it was a by-law inspection. You tell us, was it Toronto's finest, as identifiable by cars and uniforms, or did it appear to be something else, like by-law (though sometimes police accompany by-law).

About 10 years ago at a Spa in Markham, I was there when there was a by-law inspection and the same thing happened to me - the officials just looked right through me and couldn't care less about me. I could have lit myself on fire and they would not have given me a second glance.

By-Law is there to check licenses and that the local by-laws are enforced. By-Laws are ONLY incumbent upon the MP and MPA, and not customers, which is why they don't care about you. Police on the other hand are typically there to bust everyone for Bawdy House, and other Criminal Code offences

 

[mas0]

Now a question comes up. In the case of Holistic massage places, can they barge in and break doors? What is the consequence if you get caught (naked) and how to deal with it?

 

[yung_dood]

I thought Toronto Police issued a press release last year stating that they weren't going to do anymore raids until the courts had come up with a final ruling with laws in regards to prostitution and bawdy houses.

 

[Butler1000]

I thought Toronto Police issued a press release last year stating that they weren't going to do anymore raids until the courts had come up with a final ruling with laws in regards to prostitution and bawdy houses.

They will still raid if:

They suspect human trafficking
They suspect underage providers
They receive a complaint from the community
They want to check out the talent for later.

 

[james t kirk]

They will still raid if:

They suspect human trafficking
They suspect underage providers
They receive a complaint from the community
They want to check out the talent for later.

This is the truth.

They won't raid any GAY clubs though, even with complaints from the community, or if little Pedro is working there against his will.

No fun in that.

 

[Stoo]

Good way to get out of tipping...

 

[oldjones]

At a moment like yours, remember Winston Churchill's remark to FDR who entered his bathroom unannounced, " As you can plainly see Mr. President, I have nothing to hide."

30 seconds into my shower I think the mirror the door busts open. I was thinking what the fuck why is the front desk guy coming in now we've only been 15 minutes. But then I looked closer and I see a dark blue uniform and a badge. He walks away and the girl goes over and closes the door.

Busts open? Like the latch is blown by force and the door flies across and smashes into the wall? Or wasn't it more, like, "…30 seconds into my shower I was surprised by the door being opened without warning"? And I am also curious about the badge you saw on this uniform:

because the badge on chest thing is an Americanism.

I'm sure what you say happened did actually happen. But as the cop said nothing to you or the girl, and no other cop even cared to speak to you as you calmly left unhindered, I'd say we could do with less dramatics in telling the tale.

In any case even if he saw you fucking like mink on a table covered with twenties, you two are personally committing no crime. The worst you're doing is adding a bit of (arguable) circumstantial detail to other evidence that sex was customarily and often sold on the premises. Just how would that be collected? Not by guys in uniform who don't even ask about it.

If you could get away with catching pretty girls naked wouldn't you?

 

[caioshin]

So what's legal?
I mean, in Mississauga or Brampton BS are advertised, so i assume they're legal. Probably even in To, even though they cannot be advertised, but Nuru massage is.
So being naked on the massage table should be legal...
So what's illegal? The eventual HJ?

 

[NHFL]

So what's legal?
I mean, in Mississauga or Brampton BS are advertised, so i assume they're legal. Probably even in To, even though they cannot be advertised, but Nuru massage is.
So being naked on the massage table should be legal...
So what's illegal? The eventual HJ?

You have mixed-up two key issues - what is legal and what is allowed by by-law.

"Legal" is what is set-out by the Criminal Code of Canada and nothing else. It is illegal to run or be in a Bawdy House.

"By-Laws" are what is allowed to happen in MP's. Brampton and Mississauga allow for nude and reverse. That is those cities have granted licenses to MP's to be open that allow for nudity.

There is nothing Criminally wrong (i.e. against the Criminal Code of Canada) with those as the acts of nude and reverse, in and of themselves as they do not necessarily constitute a sexual act - just like a nude female at a strip club in a VIP area does not constitute a sexual act.

However, and this is where you seem to get confused - if a LICENSED MP that offers reverse massages is found to have regularly occurring sexual acts (e.g. hand-jobs), then that MP, regardless of its municipal license is committing a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada and is thus "illegal", regardless of the license the city has given it.

 

[mas0]

However, and this is where you seem to get confused - if a LICENSED MP that offers reverse massages is found to have regularly occurring sexual acts (e.g. hand-jobs), then that MP, regardless of its municipal license is committing a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada and is thus "illegal", regardless of the license the city has given it.

How do you prove regularly occurring? If a law or bylaw enforcement official comes in (if they are allowed to) during a massage session and they see me getting johnny polished, how does it make it a regularly occurring sex act? Now the main question is, under what circumstances do they raid or are they allowed to?

 

[caioshin]

However, and this is where you seem to get confused - if a LICENSED MP that offers reverse massages is found to have regularly occurring sexual acts (e.g. hand-jobs), then that MP, regardless of its municipal license is committing a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada and is thus "illegal", regardless of the license the city has given it.

Thanks...so pretty much, theoretically, you (the client) could be busted for the HJ?
I thought that, according to the law, if you are within closed door (for example in the room with the door closed) it was pretty much an agreement between two adults and thus legal. But i guess this doesn't apply to licensed MP, but only if, for example you are in your house or hotel (such as outcall).

Am i wrong?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Is Ambassador a holistic spa or body rub parlour?

Being 'caught' nude in either establishment is not a crime or infraction in of itself (especially if one was in the shower).

I read the OP's plight and had to laugh but I empathize with him as I probably would've done the exact same thing lol.

 

[oldjones]

There's masses of posts that will come up if you search 'legalities' and many of the lawyers on TERB have tried to make this clear. If it could be summed up in a sentence or two, we'd deal with it like traffic tickets, but it takes real lawyers and judges, and they don't get it right until the Supreme Court of Canada finally says they did. You have noticed that these very matters—bawdyhouses and such—are being discussed and will be decided by them currently? Everything short of that is just people giving up the argument as a bad job.

'Legal' means according to law, which includes by-laws, so it is not leagl to park in front of a fire hydrant. However the criminal law—Google Criminal Code of Canada, and read for yourself—is silent on such stuff. It does define paid for sex as an act of prostitution, but without making an offence of it. It's up to the judge to figure out if your particular HJ is or isn't a sex act, and if there were enough others like it to qualify the premises as a bawdyhouse where acts of prostitution are common. Only if she does are you and she going to charged criminally as 'found-in' (you) and 'inmate' (her) because who the Code is after is the operator. Operating a brothel, bordello, cathouse, whorehouse or the like, no matter what you call it, sauna, massage parlour, gentlemen's club or whatever is criminally illegal. The Code just picked bawdyhouse as the term. It's the business going on their that counts. One transaction does not make a business.

But if the City bylaws say you cannot be naked, then being naked is illegal, just not criminal.

 

[sakurame]

I think Ambassador is a body rub they are open later.

 

[whobee]

She threw your clothes at you in a wet shower and told you to get dressed in there??

 

[NHFL]

How do you prove regularly occurring? If a law or bylaw enforcement official comes in (if they are allowed to) during a massage session and they see me getting johnny polished, how does it make it a regularly occurring sex act? Now the main question is, under what circumstances do they raid or are they allowed to?

They prove that it regularly happens by sending-in undercover officers over many months, staking-out the area and even accosting customers as they walk out of the MP asking them what occurred. You are right to say that a cop just seeing you having your johnson polished does not constitute regular. However, by the time the cops have busted the place, they have done their investigation as I outlined above and have a warrant signed by a Judge.

 

[NHFL]

I thought that, according to the law, if you are within closed door (for example in the room with the door closed) it was pretty much an agreement between two adults and thus legal. But i guess this doesn't apply to licensed MP, but only if, for example you are in your house or hotel (such as outcall).

Am i wrong?

You are right - even a licensed MP can be busted. Outcalls are much safer.

Thanks...so pretty much, theoretically, you (the client) could be busted for the HJ?

This is not entirely correct. You are busted as a "Found-In" in a "Bawdy House". However, a place that regularly gives HJ's could IN THEORY be considered a Bawdy House. However, courts seem to be leaning towards the fact that just HJ is not something that constitutes a Bawdy House.

 

[afterhours]

You are right - even a licensed MP can be busted. Outcalls are much safer.


This is not entirely correct. You are busted as a "Found-In" in a "Bawdy House". However, a place that regularly gives HJ's could IN THEORY be considered a Bawdy House. However, courts seem to be leaning towards the fact that just HJ is not something that constitutes a Bawdy House.

One judge in Newmarket hold it so far and it is unlikely that this particular judge's decision would have much weight anywhere outside his courtroom. I'd go as far as saying it's ridiculous to not consider HJ to be a sexual act. Would you ask your brother or sister to give you a HJ? Thought so.

That being said, our Court of Appeal clearly found that bawdy houses laws are BS and, while we are waiting for the Supreme Court decision, it is likely that prosecution of these cases anywhere in Ontario would come to a halt at one stage or the other. You can still be charged though, even if not convicted.

 

[caioshin]

So far, how common is to be busted (the client i mean) at a MP for a HJ? I mean, are there any cases that it happened?