http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/01/middleeast/syria-aleppo-bombing/
There are calls in some quarters for the West to "do something".
There are calls in some quarters for the West to "do something".
The Agony of Aleppo
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The west has already done far to much. Russia needs to get this job done during the US election cycle so expect things to heat up. Already the Russians have sent more planes. It will be over by Christmas, but a lot of people are gonna die.
What Russia is doing is mass murder: cluster bombing civilian areas, targeting hospitals. The casualty rate is MUCH higher than the Gaza war. Russia has killed 9000 civilians since it began bombing, in addition to the many many more killed by Assad. It's hit Aleppo's only hospital THREE TIMES INB the last week. MSF says Russia has turned Aleppo into a kill zone. It's the greatest humanitarian catastrophe on the planet.
It's disgusting.
Of course you cheer on any murderous thing Russia does. Mindless rah rah Putin boosting. You hate the West and love every atrocity committed by its enemies
It's unclear to me why you haven't moved to Moscow
Russians will be busy testing their bunker busters, incendiary and cluster bombs on more hospitals and schools I guess.
The West should instead stop doing 'something': liking stop arming, training and paying jihadist proxies undertaking regime change in Syria since 2012.
The West should also stop selling billions of dollars of weapons to the Saudi Arabian dictatorship; The latter are using these weapons to bomb Yemen into the stone age; they have killed thousands of civilians in indiscriminate airstrikes, and destroyed much of Yemen's civilian infrastructure. No mention also in the Western press about the naval blockade imposed by Saudi Arabia depriving Yemen of food. Yemen grows no food. The population is now facing starvation.
The urgency of Western calls for 'something' to be done is simply desperation, as the US grand plan to topple the Assad regime through jihadist proxies is near collapse. US/Saudi/Qatari supplied insurgents are up against the ropes in the terrorist held part of Aleppo. Once they are defeated, the border with Turkey will be closed and the supply of weapons and jihadists will cease and the remaining insurgents in Syria will slowly run out of supplies; they will then be squeezed from the East once the Iraqis, along with their Iranian military advisors and Iranian backed militias retake Mosul. Now is the time for Syria, along with Russian help, to deal the terrorists in Aleppo once and for all.
This stuff is tough to watch.
Lets just say your enemy was hiding in a hospital full of civilians I would have a hard time okaying the bombing of said hospital.
Lets just say your enemy was hiding in a hospital full of civilians I would have a hard time okaying the bombing of said hospital.
Just like the US did to Iraq in 2003. And also to Libya. The US keeps on wanting to deliver freedom to those countries, even if it kills them in the process.
I am sure if the US gave Hamas billions of dollars in arms that things would get a lot hotter in Gaza. What was the death toll in Iraq? Even the highest estimated of civilians killed by Russia are about 3000 so far (by pro US groups) is only 2x the estimated US casualties of about 1650 Syrian civilians killed. In the context of a war that has killed 500,000 people so far, it is a drop in the bucket.
Yes Aleppo is a kill zone and the difficult and violent job to weed out the terrorists cannot be accomplished without massive use of force.
Russia sure is doing something.
Do you say the same for Russia and Iran who are heavily intervening in Syria?
It is a difficult job to weed the Hamas terrorists out of Gaza yet Israel has chosen not to flatten the area like Russia is engaged in. But sure, cheer on Russia and their unquestioning support for Assad's atrocities.
Israel has no intention of taking Gaza as it would create a whole bunch of problems for them. They just do collective punishment operationss. Russia is not flattening Aleppo. How about the Americans unquestioning support for Saudi atrocities in Yemen and they recently beheaded a non-violent political opponent. Please explain to me why you are ok with that one?
Nope. Over 9000.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/syrian-...ve-killed-more-than-9000-activist-group-says/
They got their by targeting hospitals
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-syria-aleppo-bomb-jets-us-civil-war-1.3787569
I recall you freaking out when Israel hit an abandoned hospital from which Hamas fighters were firing rockets. Now an active hospital run by a neutral charity, MSF, gets bombed three times in one week by Russia and you say it's a job that needs to be done.
You know why Russia targeted the hospital? So that civilians who are injured in other attacks can't get medical aid and die from otherwise treatable injuries.
You are SICKENING.
Russia and Iran are in Syria at the invitation of the legitimate and internationally recognized government of Syria.
Syria is a sovereign state, but the US and its vassals fail to recognize that, and are waging an aggressive proxy war against it.
Since 1945, the US has interfered, subverted, invaded or waged war on 40 countries it didn't like. The US has done way too much, including killing millions of people. People have such short memories. For starters, the US killed 4 million people in Viet-Nam; A huge number were civillians... and that's a lot of childred maimed, disfigured and killed, but unreported by the press; yet, nobody in the US was ever prosecuted for waging this war of aggression, the way the top leaders of Germany were during the Nuremberg trials. The US is responsible for the death of a million people in Iraq, based on false tales of WMD's.
Hillary, in her own right, is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people, when she pushed for the overthrow of Ghadaffi and the destruction of the Libyan state; and it was under her that the plan was hatched to overthrow a non pliant Syrian regime through jihadist proxies, in the long term geopolitical move to encircle and dismember Russia (Brzezinsky's The Grand Chessboard). The US neocons have now lined up behind her, because she will be continuing to carry out the neocon doctrine since the Dubya Bush presidency. In fact, the neocons have jumped the Republican ship and now lined up behind her and the Democrats, as Trump is not at all keen to spend money on endless wars benefiting only the US military-industrial-security complex.
The 9000 includes the bad guys they have killed. Its ridiculous to say Russia is targeting civilians. There is no upside to that motive. If they hit a hospital it is either an error or collateral damage. Israel has a long history of hitting hospitals, refugee camps and all number of civilian targets. The problem I have with Israeli operations is the intent. They are non-decisive acts of mass punishment. I have said before, if they were to just annex Gaza I would be ok with it. The operations the Russians are undertaking are planned to be decisive, and I hope they will be. The only way to end Syrias agony is to finish the battle and crush the rebels.
It's a documented fact. Cluster bombs. Targeting a hospital THREE TIMES.
Israel does NOT target civilians, hospitals, etc, that's just more of your horrific anti western, pro terrorism, pro Russian knee jerk bullshit.
Israel targeted an abandoned hospital with no civilians in it from which Hamas was firing rockets. Israel NEVER hit the Gaza hospital, even though Hamas had set up is command center there. Your just lie non stop.
Meanwhile Russia is bombing the Aleppo hospital THREE TIMES and you applaud.
There are lots of hospitals, schools, refugee camps attacked by Israel. They use cluster bombs, white phosphorus, etc etc.
How do you know there were no terrorists in the hospitals in Syria? Were you there? I don't applaud the bombing of hospitals, but I think the information coming out of Syria is very sketchy and it is really not clear who is bombing what. There are so many people involved in this conflict and such limited sources of information. Of course you are quick to proclaim anything that is critical of Russia as facts, but there is little proof. These strikes occur from planes flying at high altitude and the Syrians also use Russian weapons so its not possible to say who bombed what.
The USA started this nightmare, and Russia will finish it. Every one of the people killed in this conflict are a result of US foreign policy.
No, there are zero.
And this is a good example of your extreme hypocrisy. You are faced with clear undeniable proof of Russian war crimes and instead you want to talk about exaggerated and misrepresented claims about Israel.
Instead why don't you start out by denouncing the clear fact of Russia killing civilians. I note that over the last week the bodies of 96 dead children were pulled from the rubble left over from Russian bombing. But you don't give s flying fuck about 96 dead children.
It's a hospital run by Médecins Sans Frontières. You really are a joke.
