The 9/11 NIST Report

[Mcluhan]

Mac

I was a witness to 9-11.
was I on site no but I was on CNN and no one ever accused them of being pro-Bush

Ok, i gave you 5 min and now I'm out of this conversation. You have to give to get. Sorry.

 

[Protoss]

The first contradiction that jumped out at me was:

2. Why did NIST not consider a “controlled demolition” hypothesis with matching computer modeling and explanation as it did for the “pancake theory” hypothesis? A key critique of NIST’s work lies in the complete lack of analysis supporting a “progressive collapse” after the point of collapse initiation and the lack of consideration given to a controlled demolition hypothesis.

( and then later on down in point number 3. they go on to say )

- NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:


The critics point out that NIST did not consider a controlled demolition and further, because their report found a way to model their hypothesis, this was further reason not to consider controlled demolition. Later on, defending the NIST report Shyam Sunder, Acting Deputy Director of NIST said on camera words to the effect that they did not consider a controlled demolition BECAUSE controlled demolitions do not happen from the top down, they happen from the bottom up. (ergo, since this was a top-down collapse, it could not have been a controlled demolition. )

Could not happen from the from the top down? This is disgraceful. Here's video evidence to the contrary and explanations by experts that top down is common and can start virtually from anywhere within the structure they choose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wmdmMnZog8

Protoss

 

[onthebottom]

A controlled demolition by who?

OTB

Back from dinner yet?

OTB

 

[Mcluhan]

Back from dinner yet?

OTB

Do you seriously want to engage in this conversation? Because i have a better plan. Convince me you are serious. Try.

 

[Mcluhan]

Could not happen from the from the top down? This is disgraceful. Here's video evidence to the contrary and explanations by experts that top down is common and can start virtually from anywhere within the structure they choose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wmdmMnZog8

Protoss

Thanks. I keep forgetting this man has already explained it eloquently. I'd like to take a moment and thank this guy Richard Gates again. The guy is very cool, and i mean cool. This is a lot to take on. Its everything, an entire reality. That takes some balls. Richard the Lion Hearted...

Anyway, is that CCN footage? at 01:54

The tell-tale here for me is i can see which floor they popped the top section on. Its living proof.

 

[Mcluhan]

I'm going to pump up the intrigue one notch. Look what day Aaron Brown joined CNN.

 

[Mcluhan]

Well, i might as well say it. Those people that day were murdered. You have to decided now if you want to look, or close your mind. My mind was closed. So, i do not look down upon you. In fact I fear you. All our lives are at stake.

End of story.

 

[Aardvark154]

Well, i might as well say it. Those people that day were murdered.

They certainly were, by a group of Al-Qaeda terrorists who flew two hijacked 767 aircraft - one into each - of the towers of the World Trade Center, and another hijacked 767 into the Pentagon

 

[Mcluhan]

They certainly were, by a group of Al-Qaeda terrorists who flew two hijacked 767 aircraft - one into each - of the towers of the World Trade Center, and another hijacked 767 into the Pentagon

Exhibit #1 : This handle works for David Frum

 

[Protoss]

Thanks. I keep forgetting this man has already explained it eloquently. I'd like to take a moment and thank this guy Richard Gates again. The guy is very cool, and i mean cool. This is a lot to take on. Its everything, an entire reality. That takes some balls. Richard the Lion Hearted...

Anyway, is that CCN footage? at 01:54

The tell-tale here for me is i can see which floor they popped the top section on. Its living proof.

I keep comming back to the issue of integrity of these people charged with the responsibility of giving the "official report". This is just an example of another lie. The web of deceipt has gotten so entangled that they simply can't keep the their lies straight anymore.
I will again point everyone to a clip of John Gross's answer to a question about the presence of molten metal on site and his very obvious discomfort with the question. What telling body language. I almost feel sorry for him. He repeatedly denies any witnesses reporting the presence of molten metal. Yet there, juxtaposed in the same clip are firefighters talking about streams of molten metal - "like in a foundry".

It's a 3 to 4 minute segment starting at about the the 32 min 35 sec point here http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4617650616903609314&hl=en&fs=true . When it loads you will need to manually start it and advance to the spot.

Protoss

 

[Mcluhan]

(snip)
I will again point everyone to a clip of John Gross's answer to a question about the presence of molten metal on site and his very obvious discomfort with the question. What telling body language. I almost feel sorry for him. He repeatedly denies any witnesses reporting the presence of molten metal. Yet there, juxtaposed in the same clip are firefighters talking about streams of molten metal - "like in a foundry".

Protoss

The molten metal = the Emperor's Clothes

 

[Protoss]

I'm going to pump up the intrigue one notch. Look what day Aaron Brown joined CNN.

His start date was July 1, 2001, although his first on-air broadcast was September 11, 2001.

 

[fuji]

I keep comming back to the issue of integrity of these people charged with the responsibility of giving the "official report".

There were hundreds and hundres of people involved in that report and a fairly huge chunk of them did not work for the government. Yet out of all those hundreds and hundres of people not ONE has come forward to blow the whistle?

Come on.

the presence of molten metal on site

What's wrong with the NIST explanation for why there was molten metal there?

 

[Mcluhan]

His start date was July 1, 2001, although his first on-air broadcast was September 11, 2001.

Nice work. Thank you.

 

[Mcluhan]

BTW, his tone is totally emotionless. Its scripted. I listened to it 29 times.

 

[fuji]

John Gross's answer to a question about the presence of molten metal on site and his very obvious discomfort with the question.

His discomfort was obviously with the questionER: He did not like having to deal with a nutcase and he plainly did not like the idea of getting drawn into a stupid debate with a conspiracy theorist.

After looking at what you guys think passes for "fact" I can well understand his frustration.

 

[Mcluhan]

BTW, who else made a major life time career move that day, Sept 11th. A major player in the scene... Or should we wait for OTB to pick it up...

 

[fuji]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wmdmMnZog8

That guy doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, and makes some extremely misleading statements. I especially love the fake demo at the end where he pretends that cardboard boxes are somehow similar to the building, structurally.

There are lots of reasons why there might be damage 30-40 floors below the point of collapse. One is that the collapse is slamming into the structure and transferring huge amounts of energy down the steel frame, causing damage all the way down the building.

Anyway, you guys are idiots. You aren't even remotely interested in the truth, seems to me you're more insterested in having a circle jerk where you fool each other with increasingly ridiculous claims.

 

[Mcluhan]

Ok, we wait for OTB, you have 24 hrs.

 

[Mcluhan]

I keep comming back to ..
Protoss

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