Thank you Brian Burke

[2canchew]

I would like to personal thank Brian Burke for trading, whats his name, for Phil Kessel the perennial 30 goal scorer.
It's funny how every leaf hater had to comment on how lousy the trade was, that you don't give 2 first rounders for Kessel.
Burke said that Kessel was a perennial 30 goal scorer and what do you know he was RIGHT wow!

So for all those leaf haters and all the people who thought they knew more about hockey than Brian Burk dose, I have just one question.....HOW DO YOU LIKE US NOW HA,HA,HA.

 

[saxon]

I would like to personal thank Brian Burke for trading, whats his name, for Phil Kessel the perennial 30 goal scorer.
It's funny how every leaf hater had to comment on how lousy the trade was, that you don't give 2 first rounders for Kessel.
Burke said that Kessel was a perennial 30 goal scorer and what do you know he was RIGHT wow!

So for all those leaf haters and all the people who thought they knew more about hockey than Brian Burk dose, I have just one question.....HOW DO YOU LIKE US NOW HA,HA,HA.

Bruins won the cup after the trade, leafs still haven't won one. The trade was made to better the Bruins chances at winning a championship and it worked. Until the leafs win a cup or two the trade will favour the Bruins. Stanley Cups are more important than a bunch of 30 goal seasons. Having said that, Kessel is having a fine season but it's all for naught if the buds don't win the cup.

 

[Ironhead]

Bruins won the cup after the trade, leafs still haven't won one. The trade was made to better the Bruins chances at winning a championship and it worked. Until the leafs win a cup or two the trade will favour the Bruins. Stanley Cups are more important than a bunch of 30 goal seasons. Having said that, Kessel is having a fine season but it's all for naught if the buds don't win the cup.

Could you remind me again, have the Leafs won the Cup in the past four or five seasons ?

 

[shack]

Bruins won the cup after the trade, leafs still haven't won one. The trade was made to better the Bruins chances at winning a championship and it worked. Until the leafs win a cup or two the trade will favour the Bruins. Stanley Cups are more important than a bunch of 30 goal seasons. Having said that, Kessel is having a fine season but it's all for naught if the buds don't win the cup.

Which means that every year 29 out of 30 teams lose all their trades. A trade is only good if a cup is won.

 

[saxon]

Could you remind me again, have the Leafs won the Cup in the past four or five seasons ?

All I'm saying is the Bruins have had much more success than the Leafs since the trade. They have won a championship and made it to the finals last year which is more than you can say for the Leafs.

 

[saxon]

Which means that every year 29 out of 30 teams lose all their trades. A trade is only good if a cup is won.

I never said that. I said 29 teams will fail in their quest to win the cup. That means they didn't achieve the ultimate goal for that season. You Leaf fans believe you got the better part of that deal. True Kessel is a top notch player and is having a great run lately but the trade helped bring the Bruins a cup and until the Leafs win a cup with Kessel on board it will always be something that will be brought up when discussing the trade.

 

[ICEman72]

Keep in mind that a key contributor to the Bruins success, Tim Thomas notwithstanding, was another former Leaf, one Tukka Rask. I think most hockey people knew, or at least should have known, that Rask had more of an upside than Pogge. Imagine where the Buds would be had Fergie not bet on Justin. I'm sure Boston has been quite happy with the trade of Kessel. As should Leaf fans because Phil has done well here particularly while playing under the constant scrutiny of Leaf Nation. The Kessel trade certainly did not put the Bruins over the top and make them the championship team they became but it absolutely did not hurt them.

 

[shack]

I never said that. I said 29 teams will fail in their quest to win the cup. That means they didn't achieve the ultimate goal for that season. You Leaf fans believe you got the better part of that deal. True Kessel is a top notch player and is having a great run lately but the trade helped bring the Bruins a cup and until the Leafs win a cup with Kessel on board it will always be something that will be brought up when discussing the trade.

The Leafs are a better team with Kessel. It was a good trade for Toronto.

 

[saxon]

The Leafs are a better team with Kessel. It was a good trade for Toronto.

True. But will the bud 's win a cup before he retires?

 

[bigdik]

The Leafs are a better team with Kessel. It was a good trade for Toronto.

It was a good trade for Toronto.
It was a better trade for Boston!
Current NHL roster proceeds for the Bruins
Dougie Hamilton
Loui Eriksson
Reilly Smith
plus 3 solid prospects in Providence. Yes, they did trade Peverly with Seguin.

That said, no guarantee the Leafs would have picked Seguin given their putrid draft history and Burkies fondness for "truculence".
Seguin will eclipse anything Kessel accomplishes and be a solid 2 way player too, given his time with Julien, playing with Patrice Bergeron.

 

[Bargnani_]

Why do we waste our times debating ? You are debating with terb members who wear blue and white glasses and anyone who is objective who has an opposite opinion is considered a hater ..

It was a good trade but the moment the Leafs sank to the levels of lottery position the trade became worse .. Ask yourself ? IF you wanted to obtain a young top 10 scorer in the NHL what would it take ? The Sens gave away two of their top prospects and a 1st round pick for Perry . What would it take to obtain Stamkos if anyone in the NHL wanted him ?

The Leafs don't build through the draft . Look at the Leafs roster ... How many Leafs starters are on the roster have been drafted and developed ? For a team which didn't make the playoffs for seven straight years you would think the figure would be high .. The very few like Kadri are so under the microscope that they are always mentioned in trade rumours .

 

[blackrock13]

Why do we waste our times debating ? You are debating with terb members who wear blue and white glasses and anyone who is objective who has an opposite opinion is considered a hater ..

It was a good trade but the moment the Leafs sank to the levels of lottery position the trade became worse .. Ask yourself ? IF you wanted to obtain a young top 10 scorer in the NHL what would it take ? The Sens gave away two of their top prospects and a 1st round pick for Perry . What would it take to obtain Stamkos if anyone in the NHL wanted him ?

The Leafs don't build through the draft . Look at the Leafs roster ... How many Leafs starters are on the roster have been drafted and developed ? For a team which didn't make the playoffs for seven straight years you would think the figure would be high .. The very few like Kadri are so under the microscope that they are always mentioned in trade rumours .

Those who have an opposite opinion based on weak arguments are haters. Let's get it right.

 

[Bargnani_]

Those who have an opposite opinion based on weak arguments are haters. Let's get it right.

Is that what you do .. follow my posts and argue them all ? Hey I think it's snowing a lot in Ontario this winter ... Do you agree ?

Just read the orginal post . IF you think Leafs didn't win the trade which a great argument can be made is called a " hater "

So for all those leaf haters and all the people who thought they knew more about hockey than Brian Burk dose, I have just one question.....HOW DO YOU LIKE US NOW HA,HA,HA.

My argument to that is when your GM Burke takes over with the cupboard empty prospect organization it isn't the time to give away 3 High picks for one player . You could say the scrutiny Kadri gets could have something to do with the fact he is a rare 1st round pic the Leafs actually have picked . Now if he was one of many then less eyes would be on him .

 

[shack]

Seguin will eclipse anything Kessel accomplishes .

See there's the rub.

Seguin, MAY eclipse Kessel. However being realistic helps. Who the fuck really knows? (Think Mel Lastman.)

How many people who were so cock sure that "Tiger will pass Jack" are now eating crow. Of course, when I said "He may pass him but not for sure" I was a Tiger hater.

Up until now, Kessel has been a better player than Seguin every year. That is 4 years running. Seguin has some catching up to do to get even, let alone eclipse.

In the last 4 years Kessel has easily outperformed Seguin, so one could reasonably argue (hopefully without being crucified) that the Leafs are winning the trade at this point.

It's you guys that are so adamant on your positions, when clearly there are points to be made on both sides, that sound unrealistic and hence labelled "Leaf haters" because you are unwilling to even consider rational arguments form the other side.

 

[Bargnani_]

See there's the rub.

Seguin, MAY eclipse Kessel. However being realistic helps. Who the fuck really knows? (Think Mel Lastman.)

.

I have to agree with Shack on this point .. Other then being drafted second overall on his reseme what has Seguin done to make anyone think his career will be higher then Kessel ?

 

[richaceg]

Bruins won the cup after the trade, leafs still haven't won one. The trade was made to better the Bruins chances at winning a championship and it worked. Until the leafs win a cup or two the trade will favour the Bruins. Stanley Cups are more important than a bunch of 30 goal seasons. Having said that, Kessel is having a fine season but it's all for naught if the buds don't win the cup.

Lets admit it. It was a win win. Had the Bruins stayed with Kessel. They still would've wont the cup with that line up. The question is. Had the Maple leafs not traded for Kessel. I'm pretty sure they'd still be playing golf a little too early....

 

[Bargnani_]

Lets admit it. It was a win win. Had the Bruins stayed with Kessel. They still would've wont the cup with that line up. The question is. Had the Maple leafs not traded for Kessel. I'm pretty sure they'd still be playing golf a little too early....

Your whole posts is based on " if's " ... How do we know those results would have occured ?

 

[bigdik]

See there's the rub.

Seguin, MAY eclipse Kessel. However being realistic helps. Who the fuck really knows? (Think Mel Lastman.)

Up until now, Kessel has been a better player than Seguin every year. That is 4 years running. Seguin has some catching up to do to get even, let alone eclipse.

In the last 4 years Kessel has easily outperformed Seguin, so one could reasonably argue (hopefully without being crucified) that the Leafs are winning the trade at this point.

It's you guys that are so adamant on your positions, when clearly there are points to be made on both sides, that sound unrealistic and hence labelled "Leaf haters" because you are unwilling to even consider rational arguments form the other side.

Hey, it's an opinion. I have watched both Kessel and Seguin quite a lot. They are very different players.
My opinion is that complete players are very valuable. Seguin is much better defensively than Kessel, probably because Phil doesn't like to play defense.
When you say Kessel has "easily outperformed Seguin" you've chosen your stats carefully.
They are both valuable players for their teams but as the Stars improve and Seguin matures he brings a lot to the table. I see a lot of Bergeron in him. That's heavy praise.
Kessel is what he is, an elite scorer. That's a great ability to have but there's two ends of the rink. He's not going to become a 2 way player.
In those 4 seasons Seguin is +62, Kessel -34. Just sayin............

 

[Calgacus]

It was a good trade but the moment the Leafs sank to the levels of lottery position the trade became worse .. Ask yourself ? IF you wanted to obtain a young top 10 scorer in the NHL what would it take ? The Sens gave away two of their top prospects and a 1st round pick for Perry . What would it take to obtain Stamkos if anyone in the NHL wanted him ?

The Leafs don't build through the draft . Look at the Leafs roster ... How many Leafs starters are on the roster have been drafted and developed ? For a team which didn't make the playoffs for seven straight years you would think the figure would be high .. The very few like Kadri are so under the microscope that they are always mentioned in trade rumours .

Spot on. When you are near the bottom of the league you have to protect your draft picks. Burke's biggest mistake was overestimating the talent on the Leafs roster when he made the trade. It's beginning to look like Garth Snow made the same mistake with Vanek. Looks like the Islanders will try to get something back for him now that he won't resign there but it certainly won't be as good as their 1st rd. pick they gave the Sabres. Snow should be fired now IMHO

 

[shack]

Hey, it's an opinion. I have watched both Kessel and Seguin quite a lot. They are very different players.
My opinion is that complete players are very valuable. Seguin is much better defensively than Kessel, probably because Phil doesn't like to play defense.
When you say Kessel has "easily outperformed Seguin" you've chosen your stats carefully.
They are both valuable players for their teams but as the Stars improve and Seguin matures he brings a lot to the table. I see a lot of Bergeron in him. That's heavy praise.
Kessel is what he is, an elite scorer. That's a great ability to have but there's two ends of the rink. He's not going to become a 2 way player.
In those 4 seasons Seguin is +62, Kessel -34. Just sayin............

Even though you've taken a contrary position, you at least phrased it as a good give and take. You state your case but at least give the other person acknowledgment for their reasoning.

A respectable "agree to disagree".