Terrorism Hits montreal: Christian Terrorism?

[slowandeasy]

i dont kno how much time u spent researching all the science stuff but i'll tell u something right out of experience...i've got paki friends & i kno some bangladeshi ppl who prefer NOT being called east indians, they much rather hav ppl call'em south asians....west indians can only trace their ancestry india but after having spent so many centuries in the carribean they're now called WEST indians....same race doesnt mean same classification, ofcourse u cant call a french person english or a polish person german, now can u?

so mayb u didnt kno what u were talking abt...i appreciate the effort anyway.

First of all, if you call your friends Paki.... you might not really be their friends
it's a derogatory term to most brown skinned people.

As for calling a french/german example it does not hold. If both are of the caucasian race then that is the term regardless of the country they live in, the language they speak, or the religion they practice.

Similarly, your friends are telling you their age old cultural differences, and don't want to admit their ancestry, and have brought that bullshit to Canada. The classification that you see on census canada forms does not have too much to do with the science of races... This silliness that East Indians try to do to differentiate themselves from others is rooted in the dark ages....

Your friends will swear up and down that they are different... Culturally they are, but physically, they are the same group of people...

 

[slowandeasy]

i dont kno how much time u spent researching all the science stuff but i'll tell u something right out of experience.

I have not spent any time doing scientific research, just piecing this all together from various sources... including people that I know, but mainly from journals, etc.. However, this has always been an area that has fascinated me, and I will definitely be doing some studying in that area..

 

[racingsoul]

First of all, if you call your friends Paki.... you might not really be their friends
it's a derogatory term to most brown skinned people.

As for calling a french/german example it does not hold. If both are of the caucasian race then that is the term regardless of the country they live in, the language they speak, or the religion they practice.

Similarly, your friends are telling you their age old cultural differences, and don't want to admit their ancestry, and have brought that bullshit to Canada. The classification that you see on census canada forms does not have too much to do with the science of races... This silliness that East Indians try to do to differentiate themselves from others is rooted in the dark ages....

Your friends will swear up and down that they are different... Culturally they are, but physically, they are the same group of people...

the term "paki" isnt derogatory if u use it in the right context....when a brown person calls another brown person paki, the idea is implied & it is one not of hate unless ofcourse ur pissed as shit with that person...much like some black ppl using the term "nigga" to refer to their "homies"....as a matter of fact, any race can call a brown person "paki" or a black person "nigga" as long as u KNOW the person & that person knows that the use of those words comes straight out of respect & love.

going back to the original topic...it's true that pakistanis & bagladeshis have common ancestry with indians but they want their own identity, dont we all?

take south america for example...most countries are latin/spanish there so they have a common ancestry but their identities are different....there's ppl frm chile & then there's others frm argentina....dont tell me that a chilean wont correct u if u accidentally call him/her an argentine.

and it's no silliness that they bring to Canada...no living in the dark ages or anything, there's simply nothing wrong with identifying one frm the rest...no harm in differentiating as long as ur facts are right.
the fact that is however silly is that other races view brown/asian as being representative of all brown/asian ppl...a chinese is not japanese, similarly an indian is not a pakistani....now this wud be something close to "living in the dark ages"...so my french/german example does hold cuz treating every european merely as being a caucasian is not only right but also kills the whole concept of identification.

 

[basketcase]

I think there is one valid point to be made about this "terrorist / wing nut" debate:

What we have is an incident that has already happened where the person who committed the act was not a person that met the popular "terrorist profile" ... but, let's assume that this was a week ago, and that everything else remained the same except for two things:

1) The person in question is of Muslim background; and

2) Somehow the authorities found out that he was planning on heading out next week to go kill a bunch of kids at that school.

I don't think there is much doubt that the authorities would have charged this person with "terrorist" charges and not just simply "conspiracy to commit" charges.

If the guy was Muslim, then yes, the first reaction would be that he was a terrorist. Of course, as facts came in and information revealed, the determination of "terrorism" would depend on the motivation that came out. If he left a martydom video calling on death to infidels, it would be terrorism. If he had the same history of internet use as this idiot, it would be clear to most (except the hardcore zealots like vinny here) that it was a deranged individual



And racing, unless you happen to be brown and talking to your boyz, "paki" is a racist term, at least in this country. Similarly, go up to some black guys and convince them that your use of the "n-bomb" is acceptable.

 

[slowandeasy]

the term "paki" isnt derogatory if u use it in the right context....when a brown person calls another brown person paki, the idea is implied & it is one not of hate unless ofcourse ur pissed as shit with that person...much like some black ppl using the term "nigga" to refer to their "homies"....as a matter of fact, any race can call a brown person "paki" or a black person "nigga" as long as u KNOW the person & that person knows that the use of those words comes straight out of respect & love.

going back to the original topic...it's true that pakistanis & bagladeshis have common ancestry with indians but they want their own identity, dont we all?

take south america for example...most countries are latin/spanish there so they have a common ancestry but their identities are different....there's ppl frm chile & then there's others frm argentina....dont tell me that a chilean wont correct u if u accidentally call him/her an argentine.

and it's no silliness that they bring to Canada...no living in the dark ages or anything, there's simply nothing wrong with identifying one frm the rest...no harm in differentiating as long as ur facts are right.
the fact that is however silly is that other races view brown/asian as being representative of all brown/asian ppl...a chinese is not japanese, similarly an indian is not a pakistani....now this wud be something close to "living in the dark ages"...so my french/german example does hold cuz treating every european merely as being a caucasian is not only right but also kills the whole concept of identification.

Dude you are way off topic on this one....

First, Black people calling each other n+* is either acceptable or unacceptable
There are black people who want to say that it's OK for them to do it, but again, it's all bullshit... Either it is a bad word or it's not...

I am pretty sure that the general population of Brown Skinned people don't like being called PAKI....

As far as the german/french thought... you are again missing the point... Scientists classify these things as a means of identifying the race, not as a means for society to treat them one way or the other... it's purely clinical.

Argintines wanting to have their own identity is great, but it has nothing to do with what their race is... Pakistanis and Bangladeshis wanting to identify themselves as such is their perogative, but trying to redefine science is not!!!
So if they share the same characteristics then they are the same race whether they like it or want to admit it or not.

The issue of people identifying themselves is good, but when they do it so that they can discriminate against others is unacceptable. The indian/pakistani/bangladeshi cultures are based on the cast system which is right from the dark ages....

Creating your own unique identity is comendable, but too often it becomes a way to dominate other groups...