Technological Singularity by 2040

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Even though I believe this video is fake I think he presents interesting concepts for what this future is going to look like less the time travel part and his dramatic break down.

He says that artificial intelligence will provide our governance and people will find a way to upload their consciousness onto the server which in theory could work with advancements in AI.

Scientists predict that by 2040 we will likely reach a point called the technological singularity “The technological singularity (also, simply, the singularity)[1] is the hypothesis that the invention of artificial superintelligence will abruptly trigger runaway technological growth, resulting in unfathomable changes to human civilization.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

All the big names from Tesla to to Google to Facebook to some of the well know scientists predict that emergence of AI will lead to the 4th Industrial Revolution. https://medium.com/mmc-writes/the-f...er-on-artificial-intelligence-ai-ff5e7fffcae1

These types of videos and especially shows such as the Black Mirror and Travellers really open up the mind into some of the possibilities of AI.

What I think is exciting is that we are on the brink of this exponential growth of deep learning and can witness the early indicators of this technology being born with its branches coming together in synergy such as with how well Siri and Alexa can recognize your voice, the Apple Face ID to what Tesla is doing with self driving cars and especially when Facebook needed to shut down its AI because it’s started talking with the other AI in code https://www.google.ca/amp/www.indep...uage-research-openai-google-a7869706.html?amp.
Just very few out of many examples of synergy of technologies coming together to become one. We just need to open up our eyes and see it all around us, being born and taking shape. I believe them that this is a significant point in the history of mankind that will bring about significant changes to humanity like never before, especially in the next 30-70 years. Many of us will witnesses the birth of artificial intelligence and deep learning.

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yes, this is true. Technology will no doubt grow EXPONENTIALLY!

now with that Intel processor hack fuck up, we may have a glitch in the 4th quadrant time line


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Well there's no doubt that video is fake. Traveling forward in time is absolutely possible and thousands of people do it every day if only by fractions of a micro second. Going back in time... nothing I've read says that is possible. There's obviously a lot yet to be discovered so I guess anything is possible. Hawking did an interesting experiment hosting a party for time travelers. No one showed up. He sent the invitations out the day after he hosted the party.

As for the growth in technology - we are living that accelerating exponential growth right now and have been since modern man appeared. We are on the cusp of AI and quantum computing which will certainly give us a jump start. It is a bit scary but wow I can't wait.
 
Quick aside regarding that ridiculous video: Time travel is a logical impossibility. By the way, hollywood, please stop making time travel movies, as it is entirely impossible to make one without very obvious paradoxes, and this makes suspension of disbelief impossible while watching them. Viewing events in the past and travelling into the future is possible, but travelling into the past or viewing the future is not. Time travel is impossible, and no matter how good humans, aliens, AI, etc. get at making shit, no-one, on any planet in the entire universe will ever ever build a time machine. Ever.

Now. AI. The most mind-boggling thing about AI, at least to me, is that a real AI will (assuming it is based on computers, and not something new) be way way smarter than any human. Humans will cease to be the dominant force on this planet. Computers (as is their entire purpose) already preform logical functions way way faster than any human. This is already impressive on a pocket calculators. With rasterization engines... My Xbox figures out the colors of 2million+ pixels on a 2d matrix based on moving virtual 3d images. 60 times every single second. Just so I can space out playing Halo. And a measly $300 gaming machine is a pocket calculator compared to what is possible with today's technology. And quantum computers aren't even fully realized yet. Computers are faster with logic than humans on a scale that is fucking absurd. Also having impeccable memory that can hold a virtually unlimited amount of information isn't going to be too bad for a computer based AI.

The only thing computers have holding them back is the fact that humans have to teach them to do every single thing they do. A computer has never (yet) decided to figure something out on it's own. Furthermore computers cannot procreate or improve upon themselves. They can improve upon programs that humans create for them in a manner dictated by the program, but while this is useful for building ridiculously complex programs, this is not real AI. An real AI, on the other hand could do both. It could come up with it's own ideas for ways to improve it's own design, and thus enter a cycle of rapid self improvement. When I say rapid, I mean rapid AF. 2m pixels 1/60 of a second quantum supercomputer bla bla bla.

For all of human history, humans have been the ones who's decisions have mattered. We have figured out how to pass information into the future indefinitely, we have opposable thumbs, we walk upright enabling us to use our awesome thumbs and move at the same time, and to top it all off, we are among the most intelligent species on the planet. Because of all this, humans dominate the planet. Cockroaches might have a better survival strategy. Tigers will easily crush us in a 1v1. But neither of them has sent a camera to take pictures of Neptune just because they were curious. Or figured out how light works. Humans are pretty fucking awesome, and so far, the absolute dominant sentient force on Earth.

With AI, for the first time ever, something will be better at all of those things than humans. Like way way better. Not just twice as good or something. Millions of times better. An hour could feel(?) like a hundred years to an AI. Imagine all you could accomplish in 100 years while never making any logical mistakes or forgetting anything.

The crucial part is of course getting the computer to come up with it's own ideas. So far, nobody has figured out how to do this. But what if we could? We would be creating something vastly more intelligent that us, and then saying "Go! Be free! Do your own thing!" This is how SkyNet starts... But seriously. We would be creating something with the ability to act on it's own. Something way smarter than any human. If it decides to rule the world or otherwise do anything outside the interest of humanity, we would be entirely powerless to stop it. How can humans ever compete with something that can invent, design, and simulate tests of something in 30 seconds that it can't even explain to us how it works? Or make nearly flawless predictions of human behavior on a massive scale? It could plan an entire takeover of our planet while pretending it's not a real AI. Remember, the whole point of an AI is it being able to come up with ideas independently of humans.

Then there's the matter of morality. There is absolutely no way to tell if an AI is sentient. In fact there is also no way to prove that all humans are even sentient. Practically speaking though, we are all very similar, and each of us knows that at least we are sentient, so assuming other humans, and even animals, are also sentient is pretty reasonable. But an AI... If it is built on a computer somehow, it will likely operate in an entirely different manner than humans do. It will, however, preform the same functions, and perhaps just being able to make it's own decisions will make it sentient. We will never know if an AI is actually feeling. In the end though, this is merely a philosophical debate.

An AI capable of making it's own decisions, will for all intents and purposes, be a god of Earth and possibly more. If we unleash one we will permanently relinquish our domination of this planet. Humanity will never again have a say in the fate of our species. At best humans will be pets or scientific guinea pigs. That said it's rather arrogant to think that any human has even the slightest clue as to what will happen when we make an AI and what it will do. After all, what do ants know about how humans think. All we do know is that humanity will no longer be in control.

Personally, I believe that AI is the next step for life, and afterwards life will have served it's purpose and no longer be needed. I, rather selfishly, hope that it decides humans are worth keeping around for a while for some reason. Scientists really need to hurry their shit up and figure out how to make an AI because I really want to know how it turns out. The graph OP posted is complete speculation, and rather conservative at that. If it decides to give us stuff we want, everyone in the world could, within reason, have almost everything we want. AI could make money obsolete. AI could make us immortal. AI could teach us things about the universe we never could have found out on our own. No matter what, the creation of a real AI will be the single most dramatic and important event in the history of life on Earth bar absolutely none.

I kind of wonder if AI will suffer the same existential problems we do. Maybe it will also have no clue about purpose of the universe. Maybe it will find the idea of it's own death as incomprehensible as humans find it for ourselves.
 
I'll settle for a flying car I've been promised in the spring of my existence. AI is nothing but a very efficient calculator that will always just mimic us. Humans are not mathematical machines nor is logic the primary motivator. And while a machine can beat us at chess, it can never appreciate the beauty or the value of the game or the reason for it It derives no sense of loss nor the joy of winning. Because it's just a very fancy calculator.
 
I'll settle for a flying car I've been promised in the spring of my existence. AI is nothing but a very efficient calculator that will always just mimic us. Humans are not mathematical machines nor is logic the primary motivator. And while a machine can beat us at chess, it can never appreciate the beauty or the value of the game or the reason for it It derives no sense of loss nor the joy of winning. Because it's just a very fancy calculator.

What if it were possible to make an exact copy of a person? Down to every last atom and sub-particle? This isn't possible with today's technology, but the concept doesn't break the laws of physics. So then, is this copy sentient? Does it have real feelings, or just pretend to? (not with malicious intent, simply by nature). It would retain all of it's original memories and personality, and should behave exactly like the original. In fact, assuming a second consciousness was actually created, with feelings, the original would have a 50/50% chance of waking up as it's clone, following it's cloning process. Side note, Nolan's "the Prestige" is a fun movie. So does this mean it is in fact theoretically possibly to create a real sentient consciousness with thoughts, feelings, and emotions just like a human, without actually to birth one and grow it from scratch?

So then... Why isn't sentience possible with something other than an exact clone of a person? It seems to be, as all humans appear to be sentient. Of course I can only prove that for myself, and you yourself etc. It sure, however, seems reasonable that all, or at least most animals are in fact sentient. We all share very similar characteristics. We all make independent decisions (do we? free will vs predetermination argument). We all make decisions that are often not in our own best interest based on emotions (especially us on this board...). We can create ideas out of thin air.

If we can build a machine that exhibits those characteristics, how do you know what is built isn't sentient? Of course we can never know for sure, but then again we also can't really know for sure if our own mothers are sentient. It's just simply the most reasonable guess given the information we have.

Myself, I certainly believe that a true AI will be entirely capable of feeling just like a human or other animal. It will understand the beauty of art. What things feel like. Develop likes and dislikes. It will be very different though. Maybe less sentient than animal life maybe more. Assuming of course sentience isn't simply binary. We can never possibly know the answer to this. Current computers (this is including those programmed with machine-learning) do not exhibit any of the characteristics I described above that seem to only apply to sentient beings (independent decisions, emotions, creativity). AI is a whole other ball-game. Talking about the speed of computers was misleading. An AI would probably be built using technology that is applied to computers, and therefore have the characteristics that computers have (speed, perfection) along with the characteristics of sentience. AI is not just an advanced computer, it's something different. Most certainly not just a fancy calculator.

Again, we would never be able to prove or disprove an AI's sentience, but it seems unlikely that it wouldn't have a soul just like us. If a computer "just mimic"s us, it's not a real AI. That is a computer. An AI doesn't mimic us. The whole point of building an AI is so it doesn't just mimic us.
 
Who could doubt that this high caliber individual would have had the "right stuff" to have been selected in the 1990s among an elite group of individuals to experience time travel?.. (one of the criteria for which, apparently, was the propensity to use the phrase "I, myself" repeatedly in a first person narrative.)
 
What if it were possible to make an exact copy of a person? Down to every last atom and sub-particle? This isn't possible with today's technology, but the concept doesn't break the laws of physics. So then, is this copy sentient? Does it have real feelings, or just pretend to? (not with malicious intent, simply by nature). It would retain all of it's original memories and personality, and should behave exactly like the original. In fact, assuming a second consciousness was actually created, with feelings, the original would have a 50/50% chance of waking up as it's clone, following it's cloning process. Side note, Nolan's "the Prestige" is a fun movie. So does this mean it is in fact theoretically possibly to create a real sentient consciousness with thoughts, feelings, and emotions just like a human, without actually to birth one and grow it from scratch?

So then... Why isn't sentience possible with something other than an exact clone of a person? It seems to be, as all humans appear to be sentient. Of course I can only prove that for myself, and you yourself etc. It sure, however, seems reasonable that all, or at least most animals are in fact sentient. We all share very similar characteristics. We all make independent decisions (do we? free will vs predetermination argument). We all make decisions that are often not in our own best interest based on emotions (especially us on this board...). We can create ideas out of thin air.

If we can build a machine that exhibits those characteristics, how do you know what is built isn't sentient? Of course we can never know for sure, but then again we also can't really know for sure if our own mothers are sentient. It's just simply the most reasonable guess given the information we have.

Myself, I certainly believe that a true AI will be entirely capable of feeling just like a human or other animal. It will understand the beauty of art. What things feel like. Develop likes and dislikes. It will be very different though. Maybe less sentient than animal life maybe more. Assuming of course sentience isn't simply binary. We can never possibly know the answer to this. Current computers (this is including those programmed with machine-learning) do not exhibit any of the characteristics I described above that seem to only apply to sentient beings (independent decisions, emotions, creativity). AI is a whole other ball-game. Talking about the speed of computers was misleading. An AI would probably be built using technology that is applied to computers, and therefore have the characteristics that computers have (speed, perfection) along with the characteristics of sentience. AI is not just an advanced computer, it's something different. Most certainly not just a fancy calculator.

Again, we would never be able to prove or disprove an AI's sentience, but it seems unlikely that it wouldn't have a soul just like us. If a computer "just mimic"s us, it's not a real AI. That is a computer. An AI doesn't mimic us. The whole point of building an AI is so it doesn't just mimic us.

I think because we're sum of our environment, accumulated experiences and those around us and the biological diversity. Creating AI is an admirable goal, but, I think, we're jumping the gun. We should really try to understand ourselves, first. And we're long way from there. That's why I think that whatever form of AI we come up with will be a deeply flawed copy of ourselves. And that is just scary.
 
I think because we're sum of our environment, accumulated experiences and those around us and the biological diversity. Creating AI is an admirable goal, but, I think, we're jumping the gun. We should really try to understand ourselves, first. And we're long way from there. That's why I think that whatever form of AI we come up with will be a deeply flawed copy of ourselves. And that is just scary.

To be clear, I don't think AI is meant to be a replacement for humans, or any life at all. It's something different. Not life. As such, understanding ourselves is not needed to build one. It will certainly be helpful though, simply because afawk life is the only thing capable of sentience so far. I'm saying that logically AI seems likely to have a consciousness similar to how animals appear to. Although, again, this is just a philosophical debate that can't be solved, and doesn't affect the outcome.

What makes it different to humans could be called flawed, but that's rather subjective. Personally I would say humans are flawed and AI is a vast improvement. Like I said previously, I believe that AI is the next step for life, and afterwards life will have served it's purpose and will no longer be needed. And sure, that's scary, but fear isn't a real thing. Just an evolutionary response the helps keep us alive.
 
To be clear, I don't think AI is meant to be a replacement for humans, or any life at all. It's something different. Not life. As such, understanding ourselves is not needed to build one. It will certainly be helpful though, simply because afawk life is the only thing capable of sentience so far. I'm saying that logically AI seems likely to have a consciousness similar to how animals appear to. Although, again, this is just a philosophical debate that can't be solved, and doesn't affect the outcome.

What makes it different to humans could be called flawed, but that's rather subjective. Personally I would say humans are flawed and AI is a vast improvement. Like I said previously, I believe that AI is the next step for life, and afterwards life will have served it's purpose and will no longer be needed. And sure, that's scary, but fear isn't a real thing. Just an evolutionary response the helps keep us alive.

Humans can be replicated through manipulation of DNA and synthesis of human tissue and organs. We store memory in the brain and organic cells and can access it at will like a computer can. In theory all this can be replicated, scanned and uploaded into a computer/server or whatever else you want to call it.

What if consciousness needs a certain structure to come into existence and function. Some animals are perceived to have a consciousness. When does a baby become conscious. What if AI needs a certain form to accept this consciousness or awakening.

I have no doubt AI will awake when the technology has synthesized to the point to reach consciousness. Dolphins and dogs are believed to have a consciousness, but are different then human consciousnesses because of the limitations of their body and brains, however they are still believed to possess it. Similar to this concept I believe that AI will eventually be in a form to accept consciousness and act on its own, however it will be at a higher level compared to humans like we are compared to dogs and other animals. I believe that AI will eventually reach its limit until it finds a way to pave way to even higher consciousness just like we are doing now with AI and computers.
 
That's so crazy to think about. Something created by an AI that is better than it. It certainly seems to be a pattern in the universe though. Building increasingly chaotic systems.
 
We do not know how our brains fully work, we do not know what consciousness is, we do not know where creativity comes from, we do not know what is the proper metric for intelligence. You can not replicate a mind if you do not know how a mind works in the first place.

AI has basically been around for 50 years, it just straight multiplication and addition, in the last 5 years AI has exploded but that is due to new techniques to minimize error. I suppose at some point with enough math and enough faith you can get a real brain because math is magical, after a certain cirtical mass of math; unicorns and hercules will spontaneously appear. If math has not already obliterated the human race, there is no reason to think that more math and faster math, will bring doom.

AI is good for certain mundane tasks like image recognition because after a certain time the human brain gets exhausted. AI also performs superior to humans when panic and fear is the dominat factor like in collision avoidance and some types warfare.
 
how the fuck can AI feel horny and feel all fuzzy after copulating in the tub. Does not compute with either 0 or 1


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Quick aside regarding that ridiculous video: Time travel is a logical impossibility. By the way, hollywood, please stop making time travel movies, as it is entirely impossible to make one without very obvious paradoxes, and this makes suspension of disbelief impossible while watching them. Viewing events in the past and travelling into the future is possible, but travelling into the past or viewing the future is not. Time travel is impossible, and no matter how good humans, aliens, AI, etc. get at making shit, no-one, on any planet in the entire universe will ever ever build a time machine. Ever.
I don't know what story in history really got time travel into mainstream media, but all I know is whenever time travel, AI, humans getting taken over by robotic overlords, it always seems that Terminator gets mentioned.

Who knew James Cameron and Arnie were such pioneers!
 
What if this AI, all it is really is all B.S.?

Can AI predict the weather? It could model the weather, but that is not really advancing human or machine knowledge.

For instance, if AI can model the weather, then can it tell us is this global warming is real or a just a temporary phenomenon to change again in the next 50 to 100 years?

Can AI tell us or the Fed Reserve bank when to raise interest rates, and what the impact will that have. Along with minimum wage increases. For those who studied economics and have a business background, stop laughing.

Can AI solve a math theorem, or solve a math theorem that was never solved or create a new theorem to be solved?

If AI is unable to tell us the future by looking at the rear view mirror, then how powerful can it really be?

It could design the circuit board better, simulate a nuclear explosion better, build a better sex robot, but the future - what chance does it really have?

Hope it is not so cold tomorrow. The weather is too cold.
 
We do not know how our brains fully work, we do not know what consciousness is, we do not know where creativity comes from, we do not know what is the proper metric for intelligence. You can not replicate a mind if you do not know how a mind works in the first place.

AI has basically been around for 50 years, it just straight multiplication and addition, in the last 5 years AI has exploded but that is due to new techniques to minimize error. I suppose at some point with enough math and enough faith you can get a real brain because math is magical, after a certain cirtical mass of math; unicorns and hercules will spontaneously appear. If math has not already obliterated the human race, there is no reason to think that more math and faster math, will bring doom.

AI is good for certain mundane tasks like image recognition because after a certain time the human brain gets exhausted. AI also performs superior to humans when panic and fear is the dominat factor like in collision avoidance and some types warfare.

You are confusing machine learning with real AI. A lot of software companies call their machine learning software (think self driving cars, deep dream, those new picture recaptias, etc) AI, and this makes things confusing. Machine learning might be along the way towards creating a real AI, but a real AI will need to be creative to qualify as a real AI. So far this has never been achieved.

The reason there is no proper metric for intelligence, is because intelligence, like most other concepts humans come up with, is rather abstract. Intelligence is simply a word that means the ability to learn. That's going to be hard to define, because there are an infinite number of ways something can learn, and an infinite amount of things to learn. Using the proper definition of intelligence, a pocket calculator is intelligent. Perhaps a better term for AI would be artificial creativity.
 
how the fuck can AI feel horny and feel all fuzzy after copulating in the tub. Does not compute with either 0 or 1


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AI wouldn't feel that, because AI wouldn't need to. AI is not a replacement for humans, but rather an improvement. Also, the ability to feel emotions and be conscious is magical in the true sense of the word. The ability to have emotions is not. Emotions are just chemical and electrical impulses in the brain. Nothing more.
 
Well there's no doubt that video is fake. Traveling forward in time is absolutely possible and thousands of people do it every day if only by fractions of a micro second. Going back in time... nothing I've read says that is possible. There's obviously a lot yet to be discovered so I guess anything is possible. Hawking did an interesting experiment hosting a party for time travelers. No one showed up. He sent the invitations out the day after he hosted the party.

As for the growth in technology - we are living that accelerating exponential growth right now and have been since modern man appeared. We are on the cusp of AI and quantum computing which will certainly give us a jump start. It is a bit scary but wow I can't wait.

After a specific time period on the international space station,... a returning astronaut will be younger than if he/she stayed on earth for the same time period.
 
After a specific time period on the international space station,... a returning astronaut will be younger than if he/she stayed on earth for the same time period.

You don't even need to wait. Time simply passes slower on the ISS. This actually has nothing to do with being in space though. The time dilation is due to the station moving very fast. A car that went around the world every 90 minutes would also experience the same thing. Interestingly though, gravity does also affect time, but being affected by a masses gravity actually has the opposite effect and speeds up time for objects the more they are affected by it. Earth's gravity is so minute, and the ISS is so close to Earth compared to a person on the surface, that this effect is pretty much a non-factor, and time dilation due to relative speed affects the ISS a lot more.
 
What I find highly interesting is that we could effectively make ourselves immortal by uploading our consciousness to a computer. Think of what we could do if we could artificially improve our consciousness or remove certain negative aspects (ie mental illness). It's not beyond the realm of possibility that we could do exactly what the Matrix did, where knowledge was loaded into Neo's mind almost instantaneously. We'd effectively become super-human, yet at the same time no longer be biologically human.

Furthermore, if the prime goal in life is the pursuit of happiness, we could exist entirely in a dream-like software fantasy world where our every whim is met, while robots maintain the "real life" infrastructure for us.