Only when the replacement 'product' is of equal quality, and don't bother saying that it is when it comes to a profession as subjective as teaching as you would only come of as absurd.
teachers strike?
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My point was that some people work jobs because it's what they can get but it may not reflect their earning potential..... and that includes none immigrants.
Now I know how little you know about the education system in Ontario. Private schools pay/compensate better??? Not by a long-shot. This is funny coming from Mr. Supply-and-Demand since he didn't use his own/only argument to conclude that this is simply where the 'over-stock' goes.
There was a teacher shortage in the early 2000's. The gov't opened hundreds (perhaps up to 1000) of new positions in university. The teacher shortage was eradicated quickly. Those new positions in teachers college haven't been cancelled. It's a cash grab by the gov't. Some kids are paying thousands to attend and some will never get hired. The gov't needs to re-set the # of positions in univ. to adequately reflect the number of teaching positions that become avail. on an annual basis.
http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Teacher-l-Detroit,-MI.html
average salary in Detroit is 54K
http://www.detroitliteracy.org/faq.htm
47% of people in detroit are functionally iliterate compared to the national average of 20 to 23%
This is not to say that teachers could not be paid less but just an example of what prolonged poor work conditions can do
Detroit is chosen as I saw a documentary on it, I'm sure we could find other examples but point is that whether you work in Jane and Finch or Rosedale you get paid well (and the same)..... without that feature things might not work out so well for certain areas.
average salary in Detroit is 54K
http://www.detroitliteracy.org/faq.htm
47% of people in detroit are functionally iliterate compared to the national average of 20 to 23%
This is not to say that teachers could not be paid less but just an example of what prolonged poor work conditions can do
Detroit is chosen as I saw a documentary on it, I'm sure we could find other examples but point is that whether you work in Jane and Finch or Rosedale you get paid well (and the same)..... without that feature things might not work out so well for certain areas.
Not to mention you have people going over to Buffalo to get their teacher's certificate.
It's fucking poor planning if you ask me to come out of university planning to be a teacher.
Recently a costco opened in the GTA and thousands of people showed up. I'm sure they weren't lining up for that sweet costco salary.
It's a silly argument to have. On one side the government wants to make it 'essential' and the public is soo worried about the type of education thier kids will recieve, but when push comes to shove they want to nickel and dime those providing this 'essential' service.
Doesn't matter how much we overpay teachers, they will still want more, more, more:frusty:. They could make $2million and work only 7 months a year and they will still go on strike for more, more, more.
Boy are you out of touch
This is not nickel and dimming
The province is running huge deficits and will soon face massive increases in Health care costs
It has to get its finances under control NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS
Teachers are making an average of $83K in salary for working 75-80% of a year
In addition the province has to pay into the Teachers very lucrative pension plan
Finally Teachers are able to stick it the taxpayer one last time by cashing out banked sick days
The average tax payer makes a little more than half of what teachers do & it takes the Ont taxes of three taxpayers for the whole year to cover one Teachers Salary for the 2 1/2 months in the summer when Teachers provide absolutely zero value to the province
Teachers make more than the average professional with a university degree & make more than many with two degrees.
Wage increases in the private sector have been and will continue to be minimal
Teachers compensation is clearly well in excess of the value they provide & the current compensation level is not sustainable over the long term.
The province is not rolling back teachers salaries (as they really should be), yet teachers feel they are entitled to continued increases & maintaining ridiculous benefits.
Nickel and dimming my ass
You clearly do not grasp (or care about) some pretty basic concepts wrt debt, and sustainability
The status Quo wrt public sector compensation can not continue.
Teachers continued disregard for the provinces financial stability will leave the next generation saddled with unmanageable debt and bleak economic prospects.
Instead of helping preparing our youth for the next stage in life, teachers are tying an economic millstone around these kids necks
Shame on the lot of them
Unlike with manufacturing products, qualified doesn't mean good. I've worked with plenty of 'qualified' engineers who are crap.
You repeatedly ignore that these are two disparate issues.
Teachers who essentially can't be fired is a problem.
Compensation to attract good candidates is not.
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Whoops, fuji got caught making up facts again?
So your argument is that because there are thousands of unemployed engineering grads I should have my pay cut or my boss should hire them instead and hope they are good at the job? Pretty ridiculous.
Are you saying that graduates of Ontario teachers colleges are unqualified?
This is nonsense.
The replacement in this case is frequently better quality, as the union system had prevented merit from being a factor in teacher retention.
Another fuji 'fact'.
As I said before, argue that teachers should be on short term contracts and likely most will agree with you. Your arguments about pay are dumb.
I am not the one who linked them, toke did when he tried to pretend that the unemployed teachers who are proof of oversupply weren't as qualified.
Since merit is not a factor in teacher retention there is every reason to believe the pool of unemployed teachers are as good or better than those who are employed.
Yes if there is an oversupply you will see a pay cut over time, unless you are in a union that is artificially raising them.
Salaries generally are not actually cut, owing to the morale issues, the decline usually takes the form of below inflation raises, and new hires getting less.
This is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.
You want MORE people to get a higher education, not less. In Canada, a university education is not meant to be for a subset of "elite" students who get the highest grades. Quite the opposite. In Ontario at least, governments have pledged that anyone who wants to go to university will be able to (i.e., if they can't afford it bursaries or scholarships are available).
Restricting the number of university positions by the amount of professors available is as bad as restricting the number of nurses we can churn out in a year. The system will find its own equilibrium.
In this day and age, the last thing Canada needs is to restrict the number of people who can go to university.
This statement is why you lose credibility with me. Private sector wage increases have been on par with public sector wage increases over the past 4 years.
Yeah, if you work in manufacturing you're in a bad spot, but manufacturing is not reflective of the entire private sector.
The big problem with the public sector unions is: 1) their projected pension costs; and 2) their unwillingness to make some/any concessions when the economy isn't in the best shape. Give a wage freeze for a year or two and this whole thing blows over. But make a stand and face the (often uninformed) public's wrath.
