What would happen GPIDAL, if a guy used that same reasoning.........it wouldn't matter, he would end up in jail
Teacher who had sex with boy, 15, spared jail after judge says: He touched you first
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I simply can't think of a situation involving a 15 year old girl and a 29 year old guy except perhaps in Bangkok or Cuba where I suppose young women who look older but sexually-experienced hustle to live. So yeah, the guy would end up in jail by most scenarios.
But even in these modern, liberal times, males still instigate sexual conduct in females. Some terbites here felt that the 29 year old woman was not attractive or sexually-appealing, so perhaps she may not have been very experienced or vulnerable (capable of being seduced). Then there's the alcohol factor which affected her judgement. The judge may have looked at it this way, and concluded that while she committed a serious error in judgement, she did not take advantage of the 15 year old boy who is no virgin by any stretch of the imagination and probably has had more tail then either of us at that age & perhaps into our 20s. Think about it.
Gee wiz,
When I was 15, I was lucky to have an 8-track player. Sony vs. Betamax was on-going (to everyone whom thinks they are a lawyer on this thread).
Gyaos Baltar.
Please let me expain that I was the one who made the off the cuff comment about when I was 15 and wondering where she was. ( see #17 post )The judges ruling makes it sound like it's ok because he made the first move. I will be surprised if there is no appeal on this.
I don't think so. He didn't say it was okay. He just didn't throw the entire book at her. Her life or reputation is irrevocably damaged.
Don't forget that in changing times, laws get applied to suit the times. Perhaps this is just one case where there's an exception to the general rules.
Even so ,it's still gender discrimination, if a male used the same reasoning nobody would listen to him. I think the botton line is the punishment should be the same for both molesters.
I don't think there's a double standard. It's just hard to imagine a male in the same fact situation.
However, I can think of one example. A couple of years ago, there was a movie about teenagers who started an escort business. It had something to do with being naughty babysitters. Now I can't recall how old they were, but I think they might have still been in highschool. There were no male pimps involved. All the girls were of equal age, and ran their own agency. The show was fictional, but if one of those girls seduced some inexperienced nerdy, virginal guy of 29 years (there are guys like that in real life, trust me), who she got tipsy with booze as a bet with another girl or some kind of hazing ritual, wouldn't you think that a judge should consider those facts as mitigating circumstances before throwing the entire book at that guy?
You stated that the girls were escorts, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE , you go to a escort to get laid and if your a nerd then you would need a few shots of courage.
In this situation, noboby was working at a escort service, but somebody wanted to get laid, and even if she played along she new how old he was. I just think that if everything was reversed and she was 15 and he was 29, or what ever age and he was a nerd , he would have the book throwen at him....Imho.
In this situation, noboby was working at a escort service, but somebody wanted to get laid, and even if she played along she new how old he was. I just think that if everything was reversed and she was 15 and he was 29, or what ever age and he was a nerd , he would have the book throwen at him....Imho.
Good post.
Bottom line - there are lots of double standards in this world, especially between men and women.
I've learned to accept that and I sleep better at night.
For example - you get a woman pregnant. As a man, you have no say in whether she keeps the child or has an abortion. You are simply on the hook financially and that is that. If she decides to have an abortion and you are 100% dead set against it - too bad, that's the way it goes. (And by the way - I totally accept this rationalization.)
It's the same thing when it comes to 15 year old boys and sex and 15 year old girls and sex. It's a double standard.
Sometimes I think those who protest so vehemently against 15 year old boys have sex with 30 year old women are saying one law for both boys and girls not because they really believe in one law for boys and girls, but because deep down they are protecting young 15 year old girls and they don't want to give the slippery slope argument to the vast number of men who would then want to have sex with 15 year old girls (using the same rationalization).
Bottom line, a 15 year old boy is not going to be forever scarred by having consensual sex with a 30 year old woman. (I would have been thrilled.)
Mind you, it doesn't happen very often anyway and a 15 year old boy would have lasted about 2 seconds.
Oh come on. There's a difference between a pedophile and someone who has sex with a teenager; teens are not little kids, and teens are often sexually active by their own choice. They are no doubt more vulnerable than adults to being taken advantage of in various ways, and lines need to be drawn somewhere, but it's absurd to treat a teenager like a child who's incapable of making any meaningful decisions at all. A teen's enthusiastic consent is something that it makes perfect sense for the court to take into account as a mitigating factor.
Remember what you would be appealing here is not the verdict (and although it would not apply in this case, remember it is a unique part of Canadian law that acquittals can be appealed), but rather the sentence and that would entirely hang upon whether the judge had acted within his discretion. I am not particualrly familiar with the English Appeals process, however, from what I know in the U.K. under all three of the legal systems judges have a significant amount of discretion.
Your either are an idiot or clinging desperately to a few strands of stretched out logic to maintain your snub-nosed intellectual persona in this thread with your flamboyant if not condescending ill conceived conclusions. You are proof that Google and statistics are a bad mix for paranoid alarmists.
Take your myopic idiot statistic and show the relevance to this and the topic of active 15 year old sexual encounters (i.e. the topic of this thread). I will try to make it as simple as possible: Less than 1% of the male population are rapists (if it were 1% Toronto would have 20,000 active rapists) even though ~ 53% of males are sexually active in high school. If there was any correlation - logically - the number of rapists would be staggering.
Are you with me ? The sample set that you are painting the general population is actually very small. Also - to anybody with intuitive logic - look at the number of those who had a traumatic sexual encounter that turned them into a rapist - how many were sexually active 15 year olds ? If it is not significant or you don't know - don't quote it !!!!!
It is irrelevant - phoo-phoo dust - misinformation and dumb to cite as a real threat to teens.
Tell that to the Libyan freedom fighters , MLK, Gandhi, ...
I thank you for the link
I was not aware of the rapist association with female predators and it gives me reason to pause
However, their use of abstract words such as "many" as in " many ( male victims) suffer from low self-esteem, antisocial behavior, poor social and anger management skills, fear of rejection" rings hollow
WTF is " MANY " .005 % ???? 80% ???????????
Also they lump all ages together. We need to discuss 15 year old only .
So what percentage of 15 year olds suffer from abuse when they initiated the affair and the female was as sensitive as LadyRaven (SIC) ???????????? ( that is what we are discussing here)
Also the Canadian Children's Rights Council are witch hunters. That is established by their total unwillingness to confirm that a % of the " victims " were not victims and benefited from the affair and those children have a right to have their affair !
We need to differentiate between predators and non predators.
Or perhaps that is like saying we should legalize all drugs because only a few would abuse them
I am unsure
But to not realize some teens would benefit from the affair is to ignore the truth in order to burn witches
The people who engage in beneficial teen affairs have zero say in the predator law as politicians would never touch such a controversial topic
A better analogy is the unfair persecution of gays a few decades ago who had no real say in the anti-gay laws because of cowardly politicians
To never acknowledge that a certain % of teens benefit is a biased witch hunt as you are burning those who have done good to weed out the bad
For all we know it could be that 100 % of 15 year olds who initiate the affair benefit
I do not know
I am not that wise
But the topic is never discussed and it should be but it is a cultural taboo
I suspect in some cultures such an affair is accepted if not encouraged because they realize the benefit so that would be a good place to start such a study
It would require a social paradigm shift and such shifts are very difficult to do
Just ask the gays
All I have said is that some teens benefit greatly from such an affair and stand by my original statement
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Oh, I get it - you just didn't read what the thread was about when you quote your irrelevant little gem of trite garbage. We weren't talking about children being molested. Lady Raven was holding that an sexually active 15 year old is a 'child'. We (the guys who lived through this stage) totally disagree.
Unless you have any statistic that addresses a serious developmental problem with an active 15 year engaging in sex with older partners - you have nothing to offer other than your opinion.
Done - End of Story - Close the Chapter
Yes, but my point is that each situation must be judged on their own facts. My example was to demonstrate that there can be mitigating circumstances even when a minor is involved, that must be considered before applying a law solely based on an age test. The INTENT is to protect minors from exploitation, but age may not be the only determining factor.
