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TD Bank stock heavly shorted - is this the end ?

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Move to a shitty part of Canada- outside the gta
I moved to Moncton, NB, where a house can be had for under $200,000.

It's completely livable, but there are major drawbacks. There is a reason why cities like Toronto and Vancouver are so expensive: they are much more desirable places to live in. Demand/supply.
 

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There has never been a Canadian bank bailout because they are so well run. The last time short sellers went after the banks for what was called the big white short, they got burned. The two systems are different and there is nothing to se here
Did Canadian banks receive a secret bailout?
The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives is accusing the government of giving this country’s banks a multibillion-dollar secret bailout in 2008….if you read Canadian banks received over $100 billion
 

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I can't believe this shit. Mother fuckers are saying there is competition while Tek Savy is going up for sale. If I have to move to Moncton I might as well take my shot and move to the States the land of the free.

I can already see the replies; "Don't let the door hit you on your way out". LOL, so predictable, usually said by people that don't have the skills or pre requites to move to greener pastures (the states).
 
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Not getting younger

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Lol.

So much I could say, so much I wouldn’t even be sure how to articulate/explain. And I have to assume since leaving the industry, there have been changes.

3.7B in shorts
/chuckle. That’s pocket change.

The book I ran, at its height, I was short 6B in equites. The 5 schedule A banks, being heavily weighted in the Index, were by far, and I do mean by far, my largest shorts. I forget actual weights, but at a guess, combined, they comprised roughly 10-20% of my short positions. And, in the grand scheme of things I was a gnat, a bit player……And the shorts weren’t bets on market direction.

I can suggest reading up on derivatives and structured products. Things like Swaps, Equity Swaps, Credit derivatives, life derivatives. Indexes and Indexers. And then spend some time looking at the global derivatives markets. Just how freaking, mind boggling eye popping large the notional value is.

And then understand it’s like a massive ball of twine that’s a birds nest. With all players, big and small exposed to each other. If one of our sched As, wobbles just a bit, the dominoes would be…………….

you should also read a book. This one. Largely factual when our industry was still pretty much in its infancy.

When genius failed.

See also
The global derivatives market is a main pillar of the international financial system and the economy as
a whole. Today, businesses around the world use derivatives to effectively hedge risks and reduce uncertainty about future prices. Derivatives contrib- ute to economic growth and increase the efficiency of markets by improving price discovery for assets.

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No offence guys, to anyone. But Johnny Q public investor……just doesn’t know who your playing against.
 
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I won't go too much into details because I can't, I can say that if a hard recession happens, TD bank is going to be in trouble, very poor underwriting and overall tech system.
 

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I won't go too much into details because I can't, I can say that if a hard recession happens, TD bank is going to be in trouble, very poor underwriting and overall tech system.
except TD and RBC have the highest cet1 ratios.

at the end of the day, all Canadian banks are too big to fail.
 

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Lol.

So much I could say, so much I wouldn’t even be sure how to articulate/explain. And I have to assume since leaving the industry, there have been changes.

3.7B in shorts
/chuckle. That’s pocket change.

The book I ran, at its height, I was short 6B in equites. The 5 schedule A banks, being heavily weighted in the Index, were by far, and I do mean by far, my largest shorts. I forget actual weights, but at a guess, combined, they comprised roughly 10-20% of my short positions. And, in the grand scheme of things I was a gnat, a bit player……And the shorts weren’t bets on market direction.

I can suggest reading up on derivatives and structured products. Things like Swaps, Equity Swaps, Credit derivatives, life derivatives. Indexes and Indexers. And then spend some time looking at the global derivatives markets. Just how freaking, mind boggling eye popping large the notional value is.

And then understand it’s like a massive ball of twine that’s a birds nest. With all players, big and small exposed to each other. If one of our sched As, wobbles just a bit, the dominoes would be…………….

you should also read a book. This one. Largely factual when our industry was still pretty much in its infancy.

When genius failed.

See also


See also
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No offence guys, to anyone. But Johnny Q public investor……just doesn’t know who your playing against.
maybe some, but I'd say most know how big they are but still think they know something the big boys don't and thus try to outsmart the market (but fail).
 
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except TD and RBC have the highest cet1 ratios.

at the end of the day, all Canadian banks are too big to fail.
Truth.
The dominoes would be catastrophic. Might as well drop a nuclear bomb in the heart of TO and likely the centers of some other major areas.

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Buy the book “when genius failed”. Given a lot of posters here obviously have interest in the markets. For a mere $25 investment it will help hobbyiest (Johnny Q public) get just a wee, superficial idea of who and what you’re playing against. And it should give an idea about the massive birds nest and how all professional players are exposed to one another.

That happened in the 90s. When our industry was in its infancy. Notional values globally were nowhere near 600 trillion…..

And long before many other geniuses thought of new ways, new things.like super computers and bandwidth with direct access to the exchanges and high frequency trading….While Johnny Q is at home on his/her Mac thinking their execution speeds are fast :)
 
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"As of 31 December 2022, SVB reported a Tier 1 capital ratio of 15.4%"
SVB was a different situation more than 75 percent of its bond portfolio was in the HTM category (held to maturity) and thus didn't need to be marked to market.

Dont bet against the big Canadian banks; if you're short and you make/made money, don't be greedy and take your profits. Don't be betting for a collapse.
 

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Truth.
The dominoes would be catastrophic. Might as well drop a nuclear bomb in the heart of TO and likely the centers of some other major areas.

/edit
Buy the book “when genius failed”. Given a lot of posters here obviously have interest in the markets. For a mere $25 investment it will help hobbyiest (Johnny Q public) get just a wee, superficial idea of who and what you’re playing against. And it should give an idea about the massive birds nest and how all professional players are exposed to one another.

That happened in the 90s. When our industry was in its infancy. Notional values globally were nowhere near 600 trillion…..

And long before many other geniuses thought of new ways, new things.like super computers and bandwidth with direct access to the exchanges and high frequency trading….While Johnny Q is at home on his/her Mac thinking their execution speeds are fast :)

ya totally agree on all points

the last one is really what people need to take heed ...big boys have much better technology and access to better available information (and faster access to that info) .and, no, your access to a Bloomberg terminal isn't gonna do much ...yet there are people who have "systems" and "methods" that can outsmart the big boys consistently over time ...right....lol
 
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ya totally agree on all points

the last one is really what people need to take heed ...big boys have much better technology and access to better available information (and faster access to that info) .and, no, your access to a Bloomberg terminal isn't gonna do much ...yet there are people who have "systems" and "methods" that can outsmart the big boys consistently over time ...right....lol
Anytime, anyone that’s not a player in Capital Markets says, or thinks, or whatever..My simple question is “then why don’t you already own your own private island in the tropics”….

Besides high frequency trading, which has those in the business executing trades while Johny Q is still reading the first word of the headline….

There’s volume, liquidity and so very much more. I doubt anyone despite wanting/needing to move a few hundred shares……has ever watched a million dollars disappear in a second….when players are moving tens of thousands of shares of “TD bank”…Been there/done that….:) And not even considered” petty cash…might need to add another zero..

Anywho.
That book is not only a fascinating read. It’s informative….”just saying”
 

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SVB was a different situation more than 75 percent of its bond portfolio was in the HTM category (held to maturity) and thus didn't need to be marked to market.

Dont bet against the big Canadian banks; if you're short and you make/made money, don't be greedy and take your profits. Don't be betting for a collapse.
I think you'll be surprised how easily things can come apart during a recession, trust me, the risk management right now at Canadian banks is not good at all, I think they got too greedy during covid. Mortgages were being given out to a lot of people that shouldn't have, along with car loans. On top of that, other things I can't mention, I think IF there is a recession, you'll see at least one big Canadian bank go down, my money is on TD.
 

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I think you'll be surprised how easily things can come apart during a recession, trust me, the risk management right now at Canadian banks is not good at all, I think they got too greedy during covid. Mortgages were being given out to a lot of people that shouldn't have, along with car loans. On top of that, other things I can't mention, I think IF there is a recession, you'll see at least one big Canadian bank go down, my money is on TD.
and why don’t you own your own island in the tropics already? And if you know better, why aren’t they paying you big money to do it??? And do you not understand that players can farm that risk out using

derivatives……….structured products.
ABCP ( like they did pre 2008)
And more?
I’m thinking not :)
 

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One last thing. Couldn’t find what I was looking for.

ABCP (Asset backed commercial paper). Very popular pre 2008. I was long about 1 billion worth in 2006. We saw it coming and reduced our risk….many today blame the prevalence of utilizing ABCP for triggering 2008 and what followed.

But that is just one tool, one asset or liability big players use to hedge risk…..and the smallest by far…

As I’ve said…the OTC derivatives market is eye popping huge…..and it is an intwined, interwoven, massive birds nest. Of assets, liabilities amongst all, between all back and forth, in between…….If it starts to unravel….
might as well drop a nuclear bomb…..

long term capital and “when genius failed”….is a very worthwhile $25 investment…that almost happened, in the 1990s……….when derivatives were still in their diapers…

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Anytime, anyone that’s not a player in Capital Markets says, or thinks, or whatever..My simple question is “then why don’t you already own your own private island in the tropics”….

Besides high frequency trading, which has those in the business executing trades while Johny Q is still reading the first word of the headline….

There’s volume, liquidity and so very much more. I doubt anyone despite wanting/needing to move a few hundred shares……has ever watched a million dollars disappear in a second….when players are moving tens of thousands of shares of “TD bank”…Been there/done that….:) And not even considered” petty cash…might need to add another zero..

Anywho.
That book is not only a fascinating read. It’s informative….”just saying”

although I probably know a lot of what's in the book, I'm gonna give it a read tonight.
 
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although I probably know a lot of what's in the book, I'm gonna give it a read tonight.
When I first read it. Sometime not long after Y2K. It was recommended to me by a honest to god, financial genius. At the time I’d been in the derivatives world for about 8-10 years. If you know anything about Nikkei put warrants I worked with the people that created them around 1990 or so.

Anywho, he recommended it. Nothing “new” but I still found it a fascinating read.
 
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