Taxpayers to Fork Out $13,000,000,000: The Cost of Doug's Unlawful and Spiteful Labor Wage Legislation

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Ontario has to pay public sector workers $6B and counting in Bill 124 compensation
Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.
By Allison Jones The Canadian Press
Friday, March 15, 2024



TORONTO - Ontario is so far on the hook for more than $6 billion in payments to broader public sector workers as a result of the provincial government's wage restraint legislation being found unconstitutional.

Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.

Since a lower court first found the law unconstitutional in 2022, unions with so-called reopener clauses in their contracts have been seeking retroactive pay increases above the one per cent a year and in most cases have been awarded considerably larger amounts.

Senior government officials not authorized to speak publicly about the costs confirm to The Canadian Press that those awards so far add up to $6,000,800,000.

The province's financial accountability officer highlighted in a report earlier this month that compensation — largely in the health and education sectors — for the law known as Bill 124 caused the government to spend billions more than it planned this year.

The confirmation of the cost of the reopener payments so far comes as Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy is set to introduce next year's budget in less than two weeks.

In the minister's last fiscal update ahead of the budget, the release of the third quarter finances last month, he projected that Ontario would end this year with a $4.5 billion deficit, which is larger than the $1.3 billion he forecasted in last year's spring budget.

The FAO has said pay increases to compensate public sector workers for Bill 124 could end up costing the government more than $13 billion.

Since the law was first found unconstitutional by a lower court, arbitrators have awarded additional retroactive pay to several groups of public employees, including teachers, nurses, other hospital workers, public servants, Public Health Ontario employees ORNGE air ambulance paramedics, and college faculty.

Employees of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario are among the most recent to be awarded back pay. An arbitrator awarded them an additional 6.5 per cent over the three years of their last contract, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union announced this week.

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Ontario has to pay public sector workers $6B and counting in Bill 124 compensation
Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.
By Allison Jones The Canadian Press
Friday, March 15, 2024



TORONTO - Ontario is so far on the hook for more than $6 billion in payments to broader public sector workers as a result of the provincial government's wage restraint legislation being found unconstitutional.

Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.

Since a lower court first found the law unconstitutional in 2022, unions with so-called reopener clauses in their contracts have been seeking retroactive pay increases above the one per cent a year and in most cases have been awarded considerably larger amounts.

Senior government officials not authorized to speak publicly about the costs confirm to The Canadian Press that those awards so far add up to $6,000,800,000.

The province's financial accountability officer highlighted in a report earlier this month that compensation — largely in the health and education sectors — for the law known as Bill 124 caused the government to spend billions more than it planned this year.

The confirmation of the cost of the reopener payments so far comes as Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy is set to introduce next year's budget in less than two weeks.

In the minister's last fiscal update ahead of the budget, the release of the third quarter finances last month, he projected that Ontario would end this year with a $4.5 billion deficit, which is larger than the $1.3 billion he forecasted in last year's spring budget.

The FAO has said pay increases to compensate public sector workers for Bill 124 could end up costing the government more than $13 billion.

Since the law was first found unconstitutional by a lower court, arbitrators have awarded additional retroactive pay to several groups of public employees, including teachers, nurses, other hospital workers, public servants, Public Health Ontario employees ORNGE air ambulance paramedics, and college faculty.

Employees of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario are among the most recent to be awarded back pay. An arbitrator awarded them an additional 6.5 per cent over the three years of their last contract, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union announced this week.
So you're saying they have to pay what they would have paid anyway?
Wow what a "scandal"! Lol!
 

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Ontario has to pay public sector workers $6B and counting in Bill 124 compensation
Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.
By Allison Jones The Canadian Press
Friday, March 15, 2024



TORONTO - Ontario is so far on the hook for more than $6 billion in payments to broader public sector workers as a result of the provincial government's wage restraint legislation being found unconstitutional.

Bill 124 capped salary increases for broader public sector workers at one per cent a year for three years, but after the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled it unconstitutional the government repealed it.

Since a lower court first found the law unconstitutional in 2022, unions with so-called reopener clauses in their contracts have been seeking retroactive pay increases above the one per cent a year and in most cases have been awarded considerably larger amounts.

Senior government officials not authorized to speak publicly about the costs confirm to The Canadian Press that those awards so far add up to $6,000,800,000.

The province's financial accountability officer highlighted in a report earlier this month that compensation — largely in the health and education sectors — for the law known as Bill 124 caused the government to spend billions more than it planned this year.

The confirmation of the cost of the reopener payments so far comes as Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy is set to introduce next year's budget in less than two weeks.

In the minister's last fiscal update ahead of the budget, the release of the third quarter finances last month, he projected that Ontario would end this year with a $4.5 billion deficit, which is larger than the $1.3 billion he forecasted in last year's spring budget.

The FAO has said pay increases to compensate public sector workers for Bill 124 could end up costing the government more than $13 billion.

Since the law was first found unconstitutional by a lower court, arbitrators have awarded additional retroactive pay to several groups of public employees, including teachers, nurses, other hospital workers, public servants, Public Health Ontario employees ORNGE air ambulance paramedics, and college faculty.

Employees of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario are among the most recent to be awarded back pay. An arbitrator awarded them an additional 6.5 per cent over the three years of their last contract, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union announced this week.

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Clearly you too don’t understand back pay. If this wasn’t terb, filled with people that don’t know how to read budgets and far more. I’d take a picture of a pay stub from a few weeks ago. With a handful of zeros, for back pay from Jan 01 2024 to the day the check was cut.

Never mind a much larger check with a few years and 10,000 hours and work from 2019 up to Dec 31 2023….And if you could read budgets, or 600 pages where someone you don’t hold 0.000001 lumens to.

Said hold growth at 0.8%, you might grasp why Wynne held them 0%, and Ford 1%. Only real difference being Ford legislated it.

Can’t bargain for a nickel more when it’s legislated.
 
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Clearly you too don’t understand back pay. If this wasn’t terb, filled with people that don’t know how to reach budgets and far more. I’d take a picture of a pay stub from a few weeks ago. With a handful of zeros, for back pay from Jan 01 2024 to the day the check was cut.

Never mind a few years and 10,000 hours and work from 2019 up to Dec 31 2023….And if you could read budgets, or 600 pages where someone you don’t hold 0.000001 lumans to.

Said hold growth at 0.08%, you might grasp why Wynne held them 0%, and Ford 1%. Only real difference being Ford legislated it. Can’t bargain for a nickel more when it’s legislated.
Let me try that again and hopefully get a less gibberish-filled response...

So you're saying they have to pay what they would have paid anyway?
 

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Let me try that again and hopefully get a less gibberish-filled response...

So you're saying they have to pay what they would have paid anyway?
there are times I sort of wish I could say more. Other places, other people I do/will. I have the world’s worst poker face.

Answer: Yes

No what else Skoob.
those raises also increase the contribution to my tax payer subsidized DBP by 50%

No what else Skoob.
Your next pay check, you will lose $$ to EI and CPP.
Me, thanks to the much larger check. I’ll have a few hundred $$, to spend on SPs every month, you won’t.

Know what else PS can’t do when it’s legislated. They can’t bragain $0.05 more or strike because they want more $$

Either way.
an expert said hold growth at 0.8% and since then it’s been 0 or 1%
 

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there are times I sort of wish I could say more. Other places, other people I do/will. I have the world’s worst poker face.

Answer: Yes

No what else Skoob.
those raises also increase the contribution to my tax payer subsidized DBP by 50%

No what else Skoob.
Your next pay check, you will lose $$ to EI and CPP.
Me, thanks to the much larger check. I’ll have a few hundred $$, to spend on SPs every month, you won’t.

Know what else PS can’t do when it’s legislated. They can’t bragain $0.05 more or strike because they want more $$

Either way.
an expert said hold growth at 0.8% and since then it’s been 0 or 1%
My response was meant for Anbarandy, but thanks for your explanation.
 

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My response was meant for Anbarandy, but thanks for your explanation.
haha. :)
I guess that’s what happens sometimes when people reply and the left whine about that too when we don’t. They want their cakes and to them too. Everyone else.

“eat cake”
🎂
 

Anbarandy

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So you're saying they have to pay what they would have paid anyway?
Wow what a "scandal"! Lol!
Why would Ford have to pay anything but the 1% wage gain per year he enacted thru legislation in Bill 124?

Why, why, why?

Explain it to us.

PS> He wouldn't have had to pay anything except what was bargained for in the constitutionally protected collective bargaining process, but he stomped all over the constitution and now has saddled taxpayers with a $13,000.000.000 bill.
 
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It's staring them in the face, but governments refuse to recognize that the only way to reduce the cost of public service is to reduce the number of public servants. The courts will simply not support control over public sector wages. That means we have to get rid of public servants themselves (at least to the greatest possible extent).

Frankly, the courts are getting this one wrong. Freedom of Association has to mean something different when governments create monopolies over certain kinds of labour.

However, there's no fixing the courts, so its time for the political courage to reduce the public sector employment rolls.
 
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Why would Ford have to pay anything but the 1% wage gain per year he enacted thru legislation in Bill 124?

Why, why, why?

Explain it to us.

PS> He wouldn't have had to pay anything except what was bargained for in the constitutionally protected collective bargaining process, but he stomped all over the constitution and now has saddled taxpayers with a $13,000.000.000 bill.
He wouldn't have had to pay more than 1% if the bill wasn't struck down. However it was.
So if the bill wasn't introduced in the first place he would have had to pay what the unions wanted regardless.

is that too difficult for you to understand?
 

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Why would Ford have to pay anything but the 1% wage gain per year he enacted thru legislation in Bill 124?

Why, why, why?

Explain it to us.

PS> He wouldn't have had to pay anything except what was bargained for in the constitutionally protected collective bargaining process, but he stomped all over the constitution and now has saddled taxpayers with a $13,000.000.000 bill.
omg.
so you are saying at some point in time, Ford is going send me a third check, for say $50,000 for what…
Punitive damages?


good to know. I’ll wait for the mythical email from my union I haven’t received in years, or will I ever telling me, we are getting anything more than what I’m due in back pay.

Btw Einstein I can verify what I’ve received.
to the hour
To the 1/4 hour minute
To the penny.
Wonderful thing about computer systems that log every hour I’ve worked in 15 minute increments. For however long.

Including a huge amount of OT at 1.5x and
Stat days at 2x
And for the tens and tens and tens of thousands of fixed term employees the additional money they get in lieu of benefits, holidays etc…another 20% or so. Because that’s cheaper than full timers.

I wonder, no I don’t. If you could manage a lemonade stand or have seen a budget for anything more complicated that.

And once again. Why are struggling with the fact he’s nothing Wynne didn’t do, because experts said so. Other than take away the right to bargain for a nickel more.

Aka give us .15% more and we will give something you want
 
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It's staring them in the face, but governments refuse to recognize that the only way to reduce the cost of public service is to reduce the number of public servants. The courts will simply not support control over public sector wages. That means we have to get rid of public servants themselves (at least to the greatest possible extent).

Frankly, the courts are getting this one wrong. Freedom of Association has to mean something different when governments create monopolies over certain kinds of labour.

However, there's no fixing the courts, so its time for the political courage to reduce the public sector employment rolls.
Not necessarily.
statistically, Ontario has the leanest public service ( public servants per capita) in Canada. Has for years.

that includes everything from the dirty jobs and pencil pushers, to RNs, to EAs and PSWs, to GPs and hundreds of thousands of tax paying people without one.

To scientist and brain surgeons, to cops, conservation officers, biologists, lawyers and far more

Why?
in large part because liberals in the electorate are addicted to debt and love to spend. That too, is in the Drummond report.
 
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He wouldn't have had to pay more than 1% if the bill wasn't struck down. However it was.
So if the bill wasn't introduced in the first place he would have had to pay what the unions wanted regardless.

is that too difficult for you to understand?
:ROFLMAO: :geek: :LOL::D

I love your, "If the world wasn't round and didn't revolve around the sun" argument.
 

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Not necessarily.
statistically, Ontario has the leanest public service ( public servants per capita) in Canada. Has for years.

that includes everything from the dirty jobs and pencil pushers, to RNs, to EAs and PSWs, to GPs and hundreds of thousands of tax paying people without one.

To scientist and brain surgeons, to cops, conservation officers, biologists, lawyers and far more

Why?
in large part because liberals in the electorate are addicted to debt and love to spend. That too, is in the Drummond report.
What you are saying is that public servants were already poorly paid before Bill 124 and that made it much, much worse?
Imagine living under 7% inflation and watching your earnings buy less and less every year.
 

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What you are saying is that public servants were already poorly paid before Bill 124 and that made it much, much worse?
Imagine living under 7% inflation and watching your earnings buy less and less every year.
Im saying you never know what you are talking about. You don’t even know municipalities can carry debt…the lowest and simplest level of government, and their budgets….so…

nor can you read a 600 page damnation of Liberals and their voters by a cherry picked liberal economist that knocked the train so far off the tracks…nor will you, or can you accept facts, statistics and more. That in very plain English says wage restraints are needed and growth has to be held at .8%…..in plain English it also said growth in healthcare above that has to come from other ministries, and much much more.

Thanks Frank. You screwed everyone. People in PS and private
 
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Why would Ford have to pay anything but the 1% wage gain per year he enacted thru legislation in Bill 124?

Why, why, why?

Explain it to us.

PS> He wouldn't have had to pay anything except what was bargained for in the constitutionally protected collective bargaining process, but he stomped all over the constitution and now has saddled taxpayers with a $13,000.000.000 bill.
It depends on what he would have negotiated. Given the financial condition of the government because of the pandemic, the workers should have accepted the 1% increase. Or at the very least offered to defer negotiated increases until the finances improved. Fuck I didn't get a single raise from January 1, 2019 until September 1, 2023. Several people I know in the private sector were in the same boat. That is if they were lucky enough to retain their jobs.
 

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It depends on what he would have negotiated. Given the financial condition of the government because of the pandemic, the workers should have accepted the 1% increase. Or at the very least offered to defer negotiated increases until the finances improved. Fuck I didn't get a single raise from January 1, 2019 until September 1, 2023. Several people I know in the private sector were in the same boat. That is if they were lucky enough to retain their jobs.
Correction.
prior to Covid.
Extreme measures had to be taken, in order to balance a budget by 2018. Extreme measures ( that also included alternative revenue streams that aren’t called taxes) and growing the economy… that weren’t all taken, nor did deficits/spending stop…
then came robbing Peter ( small towns) of RNs, Drs and $$ pay Paul ( the gta)
Then. Came crumbling infrastructure everywhere
Etc

Then came Covid
Then came Boomers
 
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