Target Canada finished

Probably in a canadian Target three times in their existence. Never impressed. Zellers seemed to be a huge dollar store to me. Maybe that's what will replace Target - a mega-dollar store. God knows, they make enough crap in China to send here and fill it. Oh wait, that's every retailer in Canada. When I worked part-time at Home Hardware the only Canadian-made products I recall were their paints and steel wool.

My condolences to all those who will be out of work and hope there aren't any fat severance packages for the executives.
 
I did that yesterday and held my breath when I went to pay. I had visions of it not being accepted for some reason, but there wasn't any problem. I was also amazed at how busy the store was. They're having a sale but I don't think it's related to the closing.

So when exactly are they closing? Better hurry up and use my Target gift card! lol
 
Yesterday and today I drove by three different Target stores and their parking lots were jam packed. Vultures swooping in to pick the carcass already. If half these folks had supported the stores over the last 2 years maybe almost 18,000 Canadians wouldn't be losing their jobs.

Yeah I know about the empty shelves and other reasons the stores failed. Just irks me seeing all these people flock to witness a disaster. Their website says liquidation won't likely start for another 2 or 3 weeks so small consolation the vultures are wasting gas. Target website also answers lots of questions regarding gift cards (will be good until the end) and RedCard use (also good to the end).

Treat the employees decently, they are your fellow Canadians after all. Sad on so many levels.
 
Thing that a lot of people don't realize is that Canadian Tire, Walmart and other chains improved their stores and prices as a result of Target coming here. Almost every mall across the country that Target refurbished stores in also undertook massive improvements at the same time, creating tons of work. And leaving shoppers with much nicer malls to shop in.

Target didn't just "slap a coat of paint" on the old Zeller's stores, they gutted them and did complete refurbs. It took months and in some cases years for Target to refurb these stores, by comparison most of the ex-Zellers that Target sold to Walmart reopened in weeks after "slapping on a coat of paint" basically. Part of the problem was that the Zeller's properties were so neglected that once Target began renos they found massive problems that inflated their construction costs. They would have been better building new stores rather than buying Zeller's neglected properties. But now the stores will at least be structurally sound.

In the aftermath there is a lot of benefit to Canadians that remains, thanks in part to Target's attempt. Let's hope Walmart and others don't regress to their pre-Target ways without the threat of competition.
 
Day one, I knew Target will not succeed in Canada. Same with Nordstrom schedule to open Fall 2016 at the Eaton Centre. Nordstrom high price points will turn off Canadians. But will attract Organized Retail Crime to steal the high end designer goods.
 
Day one, I knew Target will not succeed in Canada. Same with Nordstrom schedule to open Fall 2016 at the Eaton Centre. Nordstrom high price points will turn off Canadians.

Really? I personally think they will succeed.
At least the probability of that is greater.

They are the American version of the Hudson's Bay.
If you compare the two, the price points aren't as different as people make them out to be.
The Bay can be quite expensive too. Many people just aren't as aware.
Most things here cost $2000-$5000
http://www2.thebay.com/theroom/

I just don't agree with having both of them in such close proximity to each other.

Nevertheless, time will tell.

Same with Saks once the expansion is complete.
 
Nordstrom can succeed if they don't make the same mistakes. If Nordstrom comes to Canada with the same quality and selection as they have in the US and delivers the same shopping experience they can do well.

If they think they can get away with less selection and an inferior shopping experience, the way Target did, believing that Canadians are so desperate for American retailers that they will happily flock to substandard offerings, then they will be whether billion dollar disaster.
 
So far there is a Nordstom in Calgary. They sell high product, not cheap. I can see many of SPs shopping at The Eaton Centre location for Prada and Gucci with my money. LOL!!!
 
Absolutely nothing, surprised he's not blaming it on the Pope.

It will be interesting to see who steps forward to fill all of that brand new freshly renovated retail space. With the rumor of Sears closing as well there could be some rather large holes for a long time.

Bring back Zellers!!
 
True, and the same can be said of telecom companies as well but the feds want more, more, more. Even France with twice the population has only 3 telecom companies.

Oh sure, cuz Rogers, Telus, and Bell are providing such SUPERB service. :rolleyes:
 
Dear Target, thanks for visiting our wonderful country. Sorry you could not stay longer. The exit door is in Buffalo. No need to bother cleaning up the mess, we will look after it for you.
 
In retrospect, they probably should have just rolled into the southern Ontario market to see if they can make it here rather than roll out across the entire country all at once in one massive blitzkrieg wave.
This thing was kind of like Napoleon invading Russia and getting destroyed by the harshness of good old mother earth.
When Walmart came to Canada 20 years ago, they started with a much smaller footprint and then just kept slowly expanding and expanding and expanding till they're all over the place now.

I was reading in the paper, that when all is said and done Target is going to lose 7.5 billion on their Canadian experiment. That's a 75 with 8 zeros after it.

I'm not sure if my numbers are right; but roughly speaking this is what I get:
They had 133 stores in Canada.

That works out to a loss of 56 million dollars per store. (7.5 billion / 133)
And if you figure they were here for about 800 days that works out to a loss of $70,000 per day for every store.
It's just mind boggling that a retail store can lose that much money.

It's no wonder they wanted to get out of the Canadian market as soon as possible.
I think their CEO made the right call on Thursday.
It's too bad all those people have to lose their jobs.
 
CEO fired gets 16 million $ parachute

thousands of workers lose jobs


Fuck them all
 
In retrospect, they probably should have just rolled into the southern Ontario market to see if they can make it here rather than roll out across the entire country all at once in one massive blitzkrieg wave.
This thing was kind of like Napoleon invading Russia and getting destroyed by the harshness of good old mother earth.
When Walmart came to Canada 20 years ago, they started with a much smaller footprint and then just kept slowly expanding and expanding and expanding till they're all over the place now.

I was reading in the paper, that when all is said and done Target is going to lose 7.5 billion on their Canadian experiment. That's a 75 with 8 zeros after it.

I'm not sure if my numbers are right; but roughly speaking this is what I get:
They had 133 stores in Canada.

That works out to a loss of 56 million dollars per store. (7.5 billion / 133)
And if you figure they were here for about 800 days that works out to a loss of $70,000 per day for every store.
It's just mind boggling that a retail store can lose that much money.

It's no wonder they wanted to get out of the Canadian market as soon as possible.
I think their CEO made the right call on Thursday.
It's too bad all those people have to lose their jobs.
The average store had $10 million of renovations alone! The funny thing is that Target and Zellers each look similar as both are red and white. So really, all Targets looked like were repainted and cleaned up Zellers. That doesn't help Target one bit for people who see red paint and think to themselves..... what's this? Zellers part 2?

A major problem right off the bat is that they had Targets everywhere. Even cruddy Zellers in half baked strip malls that closed down were converted into Targets. Better to let those locations die, but they wheeled and dealed with HBC, took them over and decided to come out all guns a blazing with 100 or stores all popping up in year one.

There are endless articles saying why they were doomed and I agree with most points EXCEPT pricing. I don't know where all these people are coming from, but I don't think Target's prices were inflated or greedy. They were similar to Walmart and Loblaws. No cheaper, no more expensive. Actually if you factor in the 5% card, it can be even cheaper. Or that slightly more expensive product is now around even. So to me, all the fuss about pricing is not an issue.

If people's price concern is against Target USA. No kidding. Walmart USA is also cheaper than Walmart Canada. And Best Buy USA and Amazon USA are cheaper than the Canadian version too. So if anyone is complaining about the US price comparison, they are silly. The US chain is always a bit cheaper.

As for store stock, Target was a mess at the beginning, but as time progressed I found their stocked shelves no worse than Walmart. Walmart could have holes too. But I guess people didn't like how it was early on and didn't give them a chance later. Fair enough. You only get one chance to make a first impression. Targets better stock on shelf was probably just a lucky consequence over time. Since there were so few customers buying stuff, they got lucky as more inventory would flow in over time. lol. I was one of the people making a special trip to the Milton store when it opened. I was there on day 3 or 4. The parking lot was jammed and the store was jammed. And shelves sure were barren. And there's no way I could see shelves bare due to customer on days 1-3 buying up everything. You could tell it was just not ready as entire racks and aisles were dead empty.

Target is a redundant store offering as they didn't seem to carry over all the trendy and unique products from the US which people cross the border for. And none of them bothered with fresh food. All their food was pre-packaged and frozen food. So if Target Canada is just going to rehash products mostly selling at other stores, what's the point of Target coming to Canada? You look in that fancy weekly flyer and all you see is Coke, Dr. Oetker Pizza, Tide, DVDs and a tiny smattering of unique homeware products. Same stuff I see in most weekly flyers elsewhere. Zellers carried those cruddy clothing brands that Target licensed to them. Nobody bought them. Target comes and offers the same low end brands. What a surprise. Nobody is buying them either.

The only credit I give Target is that they did a good job renovating their stores into nice, bright clean stores. Nice new shopping carts. Even small things like having sanitizing towels to wipe the handles on your cart. Let's face it. Zellers were old, grimey and HBC never seemed to sink a dime into making them look better.

Edit: I also give them credit for fast friendly service. Nice employees willing to help and check you out fast. The old Zellers crew (mostly old ladies) seemed to care more about talking to one another about their grandchildren than checking you out at the counter. They would also annoy you trying to sell those HBC credit cards. And if someone actually took the bait, you stand there as the cashier would go into credit card mode and try to check out the other customers while also processing a credit card application.

Renos = A
Product offering = C
Product pricing = C
Product stock on shelf at the beginning = F
Product stock on shelf later on = C
Service = B
 
CEO fired gets 16 million $ parachute

thousands of workers lose jobs


Fuck them all
Ever 'twas thus. Seems the more egregious the fuckwittery at the top, the bigger the financial reward. Meanwhile, the people who actually do stuff and/or make things for their paycheques suffer.