"Taking down Hamas is a necessity, not just for Israel, but for humanity"

[toguy5252]

"Taking down Hamas is a necessity, not just for Israel, but for humanity,’ says estranged son of terror group’s founder"

"We need to educate the Palestinian public that Israel is not the enemy,’ Mosab Hassan Yousef tells Israel’s Channel 2"

http://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-mosab-hassan-yousef-calls-out-gaza-barbarians/

 

[shapeup1]

"Taking down Hamas is a necessity, not just for Israel, but for humanity,’ says estranged son of terror group’s founder"

"We need to educate the Palestinian public that Israel is not the enemy,’ Mosab Hassan Yousef tells Israel’s Channel 2"

http://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-mosab-hassan-yousef-calls-out-gaza-barbarians/

This is from the own son of Hamas founder Mosab Hassan Yousef :

Sounding more like the frustrated resident of a southern Israeli city after suffering days of sirens and rocket strikes than the son of one of Hamas’s founders, Mosab Hassan Yousef told Israel’s Channel 2 News on Friday that taking down his father’s terror organization “is a necessity, not just for Israel, but for humanity.”

Speaking from a safe house in a secret US location 48 hours after a fragile ceasefire ended eight days of Israeli-Hamas conflict, the former terror operative turned Israeli informant said, “Let’s not forget that our enemy is a barbarian enemy and they are using women and children as a shield.”

“Hamas was born to destroy. Hamas does not know how to build,” he said. “I doubt they will be able to build a modern Palestinian state and hope their lies will be exposed to the Palestinian public.”The son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Mosab Yousef broke ranks with Hamas in 1997 and began working for the Israeli domestic intelligence service Shin Bet. Ten years later, after helping Israel thwart dozens of terror attacks and arrest many members of his former movement, Yousef left for the United States where he sought political asylum and later converted to Christianity.

When asked in the TV interview who he thought had won the recent round of fighting, Yousef, 33, echoed the words of many an Israeli pundit, saying that only the days to come will tell. “What’s important is that there is a ceasefire right now and I think that we need to rethink and recalculate everything that happened.”

‘Hamas was born to destroy. Hamas does not know how to build. I doubt they will be able to build a modern Palestinian state and hope their lies will be exposed to the Palestinian public’
Asked to weigh in on the strategic value of an Israeli ground operation versus the long range bombing that the air force carried out during the eight days of Operation Pillar of Defense, Yousef said, “Maybe this was not the perfect time for Israel to execute a ground operation, but this is an option that I am sure Israel will take into consideration in the future. It does not have to re-occupy the Gaza Strip, does not have to go into very populated areas, but I believe Israel can control the borders, where Hamas smuggles its weapons, anytime.”

Speaking as footage of air force jets pounding Hamas targets in Gaza, and of IDF soldiers preparing their tanks for a possible incursion, played in the background, Yousef said that “If Hamas continues to threaten the security of the state of Israel, I believe Israel has the ability and the capacity to control the borders and cut off the weapons supply.”

Yousef said he was not surprised to see Hamas had proved capable of firing at cites in the center of Israel, as it did on several occasions over the week, aiming for Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. “I think the Israeli intelligence knew about Hamas’s capacity. That was a test to see what Hamas has in storage, and today we know their ability more than any time in the past. I am sure this will allow us to prepare for what is beyond the horizon,” Yousef said.

 

[gryfin]

"Taking down Hamas is a necessity, not just for Israel, but for humanity,’ says estranged son of terror group’s founder"

"We need to educate the Palestinian public that Israel is not the enemy,’ Mosab Hassan Yousef tells Israel’s Channel 2"

http://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-mosab-hassan-yousef-calls-out-gaza-barbarians/

That's not as persuasive as this:


"This blog is dedicated to tearing down the separation wall and transforming the Israeli apartheid system into a secular democracy, where Israelis and Palestinians will live as equal citizens. As an Israeli that was raised on the Zionist ideal of a Jewish state, I know how hard it is for many Jews and Palestinians to let go of the dream of having a state that is exclusively “our own.” The articles, the stories and the pictures in this blog are meant to make a single point: For the good of both nations, the Separation Wall must come down, the Israeli control over the lives of Palestinians must be defied so that a secular democracy where all Israelis and Palestinian live as equals be established in our shared homeland."

A one state solution from the son of Israeli General, Matti Peled. Milo Peled carries on his fathers goal of reconciliation.

http://mikopeled.com/

 

[fuji]

Anyone who wants to see the separation wall torn down should work hard to persuade the Palestinians to renounce violence. Once they do, many things are possible.

Look at Northern Ireland. Now that the terrorists have disarmed there is real progress there. Separation walls have been coming down, traffic controls eliminated, you no longer see soldiers with machine guns patrolling the street. Certainly there are many divisive issues that still plague the area, and sometimes there are elements of violence--but for the most part they've decided to talk it out (or perhaps yell it out) rather than shoot it out.

Palestinians need to figure that out. They need to decide to address their problems legislatively rather than with rocket fire and bus bombings.

 

[gryfin]

Anyone who wants to see the separation wall torn down should work hard to persuade the Palestinians to renounce violence. Once they do, many things are possible.

Look at Northern Ireland. Now that the terrorists have disarmed there is real progress there. Separation walls have been coming down, traffic controls eliminated, you no longer see soldiers with machine guns patrolling the street. Certainly there are many divisive issues that still plague the area, and sometimes there are elements of violence--but for the most part they've decided to talk it out (or perhaps yell it out) rather than shoot it out.

Palestinians need to figure that out. They need to decide to address their problems legislatively rather than with rocket fire and bus bombings.

One day, Israeli government representatives will go and apologize for what they have done to Palestinians, like Cameron and the Queen have done. Concurrently, the Zionist myths need to be trashed. For example, the 6 Day War:

"Miko’s unlikely opinions reflect his father’s legacy. General Peled was a war hero turned peacemaker. The general clearly stated that contrary to claims made later, the 1967 war was one of choice, and not because there was no existential threat to the state of Israel. He then dedicated his life to the achievement of Israeli Palestinian peace."

 

[shapeup1]

That's not as persuasive as this:


"This blog is dedicated to tearing down the separation wall and transforming the Israeli apartheid system into a secular democracy, where Israelis and Palestinians will live as equal citizens. As an Israeli that was raised on the Zionist ideal of a Jewish state, I know how hard it is for many Jews and Palestinians to let go of the dream of having a state that is exclusively “our own.” The articles, the stories and the pictures in this blog are meant to make a single point: For the good of both nations, the Separation Wall must come down, the Israeli control over the lives of Palestinians must be defied so that a secular democracy where all Israelis and Palestinian live as equals be established in our shared homeland."

A one state solution from the son of Israeli General, Matti Peled. Milo Peled carries on his fathers goal of reconciliation.

http://mikopeled.com/

The son of the founder of Hamas speaks volumes..... much much more persuasive. People prick up their ears to something like that....

 

[basketcase]

Even in Gaza Hamas is trailing well behind Fatah. That speaks volumes (and hopefully a more positive future).

 

[groggy]

The son of the founder of Hamas speaks volumes..... much much more persuasive. People prick up their ears to something like that....

Palestinians might have listened to him if he wasn't also a spy for Israel.
That's hardly a resume for a peacemaker.

Personally, I'm more moved by the Breaking the Silence crowd, or say Uri Avnery who is a Jewish ex-terrorist.
as he says about what should be done after these latest attacks:

What are the political conclusions?

The most obvious one is: talk with Hamas. Directly. Face to face.

Yitzhak Rabin once told me how he came to the conclusion that he must talk with the PLO: after years of opposing it, he realized that they were the only force that counted. “So it was ridiculous to talk with them through intermediaries.”

The same is now true for Hamas. They are there. They will not go away. It is ridiculous for the Israeli negotiators to sit in one room at the Egyptian intelligence service HQ near Cairo, while the Hamas negotiators sit in another room, just a few meters away, with the courteous Egyptians going to and fro.

Concurrently, activate the effort toward peace. Seriously.

Save Abbas. As of now, he has no replacement. Give him an immediate victory to balance the Hamas achievements. Vote for the Palestinian application for statehood in the U.N. General Assembly.

Move toward peace with the entire Palestinian people, including Fatah and Hamas — so we can really put an end to the violence, ONCE AND FOR ALL!

http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2012/11/25/once-and-for-all/

 

[fuji]

One day, Israeli government representatives will go and apologize for what they have done to Palestinians, like Cameron and the Queen have done. Concurrently, the Zionist myths need to be trashed. For example, the 6 Day War:

"Miko’s unlikely opinions reflect his father’s legacy. General Peled was a war hero turned peacemaker. The general clearly stated that contrary to claims made later, the 1967 war was one of choice, and not because there was no existential threat to the state of Israel. He then dedicated his life to the achievement of Israeli Palestinian peace."

Keep lying to yourself, Gryfin. Nobody else believes your parade of lies.

According to you the Israelis should all lie down and agree to be shot by Hamas, Hezbollah, or whatever other Arab force is currently trying to kill them, and any action by the Israelis to defend themselves from such violence is, in your eyes, deeply criminals. To you the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

The Arabs began attacking Israel the day partition was announced in 1947, and have not stopped attacking since then. All of the provisions that make life miserable in Gaza are reactions to Palestinian violence. If the Palestinians don't like having security walls, border controls, etc., perhaps they shouldn't behave in ways that require it.

 

[gryfin]

Keep lying to yourself, Gryfin. Nobody else believes your parade of lies.

According to you the Israelis should all lie down and agree to be shot by Hamas, Hezbollah, or whatever other Arab force is currently trying to kill them, and any action by the Israelis to defend themselves from such violence is, in your eyes, deeply criminals. To you the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

The Arabs began attacking Israel the day partition was announced in 1947, and have not stopped attacking since then. All of the provisions that make life miserable in Gaza are reactions to Palestinian violence. If the Palestinians don't like having security walls, border controls, etc., perhaps they shouldn't behave in ways that require it.

Unfortunately, that's not true. The historical record confirms that Jewish terrorist groups were carrying out a ruthless campaign of ethnic cleansing in order lower the number of inhabitants from a specific ethnic group long before then. Zionism doesn't work with equality.

 

[gryfin]

Even in Gaza Hamas is trailing well behind Fatah. That speaks volumes (and hopefully a more positive future).

You must be referring to the item you cited in another thread. Too bad you didn't read it before posting:

As a p.s. Fatah is polling well ahead of Hamas, even in Gaza.
http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2012/p44efull.html

"The second quarter of 2012 shows clear improvement in the standing and popularity of Hamas and Ismail Haniyeh, especially in the Gaza Strip, and a decline in the popularity of Fateh and President Abbas."

 

[fuji]

Unfortunately, that's not true. The historical record confirms that Jewish terrorist groups were carrying out a ruthless campaign of ethnic cleansing in order lower the number of inhabitants from a specific ethnic group long before then. Zionism doesn't work with equality.

It was proven to you with actual historic texts that the Arabs left because they refused to be part of a Jewish state, and that those who stayed were well treated and became full citizens.

You lost that debate and wound up sputtering with refuted quotes.

You live in a hate fantasy.

Meanwhile 65 years later it is Hamas that actively attacks civilians and Israel that avoids civilian casualties.

You are a bankrupt failure drowning in your own bile.

 

[gryfin]

It was proven to you with actual historic texts that the Arabs left because they refused to be part of a Jewish state, and that those who stayed were well treated and became full citizens.

You lost that debate and wound up sputtering with refuted quotes.

You live in a hate fantasy.

Meanwhile 65 years later it is Hamas that actively attacks civilians and Israel that avoids civilian casualties.

You are a bankrupt failure drowning in your own bile.

All sputter, no content.

Now, this is content:

"At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15% ... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases....[56][57][58]"

 

[shapeup1]

It was proven to you with actual historic texts that the Arabs left because they refused to be part of a Jewish state, and that those who stayed were well treated and became full citizens.

You lost that debate and wound up sputtering with refuted quotes.

You live in a hate fantasy.

Meanwhile 65 years later it is Hamas that actively attacks civilians and Israel that avoids civilian casualties.

You are a bankrupt failure drowning in your own bile.

Once he loses the debate he starts with the insults, no class..:happy:

 

[fuji]

All sputter, no content.

Now, this is content:

"At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15% ... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases....[56][57][58]"

Yup, absolutely, and that's not ethnic cleansing. They absolutely did leave because of Haganah operations. Haganah operations that put them under Israeli jurisdiction, which they disliked, so they left.

You can spam this quote all you like but you aren't fooling anybody.

 

[groggy]

Once he loses the debate he starts with the insults, no class..:happy:

Its even worse then that, sure the insults get ridiculous but he keeps carrying on as if he won the argument.
Even in the face of proof.
That's why I've got him on ignore.

 

[fuji]

Its even worse then that, sure the insults get ridiculous but he keeps carrying on as if he won the argument.
Even in the face of proof.
That's why I've got him on ignore.

English comprehension - fail.

He was talking about Gryfin.

 

[gryfin]

English comprehension - fail.

He was talking about Gryfin.

That's strange...he quoted you as his example.

 

[fuji]

That's strange...he quoted you as his example.

He was agreeing with my assessment of you. Wanna bet? Let's see what he says..

 

[gryfin]

Yup, absolutely, and that's not ethnic cleansing. They absolutely did leave because of Haganah operations. Haganah operations that put them under Israeli jurisdiction, which they disliked, so they left.

You can spam this quote all you like but you aren't fooling anybody.

Let's look at the Haganah confession and see if it says the Palestinians left on their own:

"At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15% ... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases....[56][57][58]"

No, there is no text that makes any reference. It says that the exodus was caused by Haganah operations.

You see, that's the beauty of content. It undercuts sputter every time.