syria

[Aardvark154]

Russia and China vetoed the UN resolution because they didn't want to back any resolution that could be used as a basis for regime change on a country where they have some interests.

Western permenent members of the Security Council have vetoed actions in the past which have not been their (our) interests as well.

I would remove China and Russia's veto power.

How would you do that? It may be a mess, but it is the best that we have.

 

[Aardvark154]

Syria is a complicated situation.

It indeed is.

to start- try and stop arms going in
next a no fly zone
then create a protection zone for the people being killed with troops on the ground if necessary

Well that just plain isn't going to happen.

This is a sad example of "what goes around, comes around." The Clinton administration ignored Russian interests and wishes in Serbia including Kosovo, things were different then and a Russian Governement which now has oil revenue intends to make damn certain that Russian interests in Syria - not least a naval base on the Mediterranean are heeded.

This is not Libya, and dispite the humanitarian concerns we need to look at where we see the end game being rather than only considering the first few days.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Western permenent members of the Security Council have vetoed actions in the past which have not been their (our) interests as well.

Yes.

Some, like Bush, further undermined it`s relevance by making war in Iraq with or without the UN`s approval.

It may be a mess, but it is the best that we have.

If thats all you have you have nothing. The UN is a joke just like the League of Nations was before it.

Strength is power and the strong rule.

 

[Aardvark154]

If thats all you have you have nothing. The UN is a joke just like the League of Nations was before it.

It is a lot more functional than the League.

 

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Well that just plain isn't going to happen.

This is a sad example of "what goes around, comes around." The Clinton administration ignored Russian interests and wishes in Serbia including Kosovo, things were different then and a Russian Governement which now has oil revenue intends to make damn certain that Russian interests in Syria - not least a naval base on the Mediterranean are heeded.

This is not Libya, and dispite the humanitarian concerns we need to look at where we see the end game being rather than only considering the first few days.

first few days? this regime is killing unarmed civilians and has been for more than a few days. maybe it won't happen but i wish it would.

 

[Aardvark154]

first few days? this regime is killing unarmed civilians and has been for more than a few days. maybe it won't happen but i wish it would.

The first few days after the West intervenes. What if the Russians don't back down? What about the Iranians?

 

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The first few days after the West intervenes. What if the Russians don't back down? What about the Iranians?

neither of them will do anything if the west went in

 

[Aardvark154]

neither of them will do anything if the west went in

I am not so sanguine, Former Secretary of Defense (and U.S. Senator) William Cohen was speaking about just this yesterday. Putin is not Yeltsin, 2012 is not 1999.

 

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I am not so sanguine, Former Secretary of Defense (and U.S. Senator) William Cohen was speaking about just this yesterday. Putin is not Yeltsin, 2012 is not 1999.

while putin is not yeltsin- he isnt stalin either.

 

[james t kirk]

As far as Syria goes - they can throw Assad out, all that will happen is that the Islamic Fanatics will take over - just like they have in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya.

It will be worse.

Don't kid yourselves.

In Egypt, the "Muslim Brotherhood" won 43 percent of the seats in the recent election and the hardcore Islamic party (I forget their names) - well they won 20 some odd percent) making it pretty much a religious sweep of Egypt.

But I guess that's Democracy.

 

[Aardvark154]

while putin is not yeltsin- he isnt stalin either.

Remembering the five weeks and some days of the summer of 1914 might be wise.

There were very few who on June 29 foresaw August fourth.

 

[onthebottom]

neither of them will do anything if the west went in

Again, what are you suggesting?

OTB

 

[John Galt 2012]

I have this vision of the whole area being a giant sheet of glass.


Nobody would give a rats ass.


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[lookingforitallthetime]

30 Rock had a funny bit last night when Alec Baldwin and Mary Steenburgen go to the UN.

I couldn`t find the clip, sorry.

 

[DATYdude]

I have this vision of the whole area being a giant sheet of glass.


Nobody would give a rats ass.


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I have this vision of you being a rat's ass.

 

[John Galt 2012]

I have this vision of you being a rat's ass.

Really now.

Lets do a poll and see if the general population ( not special interest groups, just average citizens ) really give a damn whether biped life forms exist in that area or not.

And as for me being a rats ass, don't insult the rats.


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[WoodPeckr]

I have this vision of the whole area being a giant sheet of glass.


Nobody would give a rats ass.


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LMAO!!!!
Funny Laddie (who is MIA and probably circling Uranus) used to chirp that ALL the time to.

Just sayin'....

 

[John Galt 2012]

LMAO!!!!
Funny Laddie (who is MIA and probably circling Uranus) used to chirp that ALL the time to.

Just sayin'....

His grasp of the obvious was only exceeded by the quality of his puns.


You are the clever dem aren't you?????

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[WoodPeckr]

His grasp of the obvious was only exceeded by the quality of his puns.


You are the clever dem aren't you?????

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Is easy when ya notice if one quacks like a duck....ehe must be a bloody duck....