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It has been that way for decades!
Unless the shoe is on the other foot and the likes of China or Russia want to do something that the US, Britain and/or France object to...
That is why it is such a useless organization... unless you want to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk... and do nothing!
It is not the way it was intended, but that's the way it is!
Perry
Unless the shoe is on the other foot and the likes of China or Russia want to do something that the US, Britain and/or France object to...
That is why it is such a useless organization... unless you want to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk... and do nothing!
It is not the way it was intended, but that's the way it is!
Perry
Getting the Arab league involved would be a plus but their observer mission is falling apart. I don't think anyone is willing to take this on militarily, even in a peace keeping role. At best we're in for some civil war (or is that worse than violent repression of dissent?)
I would remove China and Russia's veto power. Furthermore, I would say to China float your currency or you're booted for good. I would also push that anyone for membership on the Security Council must be a democratic state and have a human rights index rating higher than (minimum benchmark). Its high time the western powers (besides USA) growed some balls and held nations to account.
Too late for that KD.
This is the Year of the Dragon and YOU can blame brainless Ronnie Reagan, GOPers and their greedy Corporatist backers/whores for setting that 'Dragon' loose!....:Eek:
This is the Year of the Dragon and YOU can blame brainless Ronnie Reagan, GOPers and their greedy Corporatist backers/whores for setting that 'Dragon' loose!....:Eek:
Much more likely that the other powers would revoke the US's veto then the other way around these days. Not that either is likely to happen.
Ya, all them brown and yellow people should do what we tell them too, dag nabb it. Its our planet - move aside. Who do they think they are? How many Russian teams have ever won the Super Bowl?? None, that's how many. I think China won in, like, 1887 or something, but that was just one game. The point is, America, fuck yeah.
The UN is at it's heat a democratic organization for dictators and despots.... the only reason the UNSC has the little respect it has is because it reflects a majority of the REAL power in the world... and France.
OTB
Clearly, the folks here do not understand the purpose of the U.N.
The U.N. was not designed to take us to heaven (i.e. deal justice to every tin pot dictator, large or small who happens along), it was designed and has its purpose keeping us from hell (i.e. a great power war between any one of the U.S., the U.S.S.R. (now Russia), China, the U.K. or France).
It was not designed to do humanitarian things or any of the other shit it does now. It was designed to prevent another calamity like WWII. The only proper measure of the success of the U.N. is has there been a great power war. If not, it's working. End of story.
But babble on all you like.
The U.N. was not designed to take us to heaven (i.e. deal justice to every tin pot dictator, large or small who happens along), it was designed and has its purpose keeping us from hell (i.e. a great power war between any one of the U.S., the U.S.S.R. (now Russia), China, the U.K. or France).
It was not designed to do humanitarian things or any of the other shit it does now. It was designed to prevent another calamity like WWII. The only proper measure of the success of the U.N. is has there been a great power war. If not, it's working. End of story.
But babble on all you like.
Russia and China vetoed the UN resolution because they didn't want to back any resolution that could be used as a basis for regime change on a country where they have some interests. The US has abused the UN too much over the last few years, I expect its going to be much harder to get resolutions calling for regime change now. There will be no way Russia and China allow a similar one on Iran to pass.
Like this is going to happen in our life time. Russia used to be quit influential in the middle east but not now. They have basically thumbed their nose at the Arab League and put all their eggs in one basket.
The US supports many dictatorships in the middle east, the only difference is that not all of them have had to deal with demonstrations and riots. If a group of people rose up in Saudi Arabia and demanded more freedom, there's no doubt that the government there would respond far more brutally than in Syria. There's a great deal of ignorance in supporting dictators like Gadhafi and Assad for many years, and then acting all shocked when they respond to uprisings exactly the way you'd expect a dictator to respond.
Good for Russia and China for having the sense to mind their own business, even if they're just doing so out of self-interest. If the do-gooders at the UN have their way, all the secular dictators in the middle east will be toppled, the worst dictatorships in Iran and Saudi Arabia will remain in place, and Islamic extremists all over the world will be firing their AK-47s into the air in celebration.
Good for Russia and China for having the sense to mind their own business, even if they're just doing so out of self-interest. If the do-gooders at the UN have their way, all the secular dictators in the middle east will be toppled, the worst dictatorships in Iran and Saudi Arabia will remain in place, and Islamic extremists all over the world will be firing their AK-47s into the air in celebration.
The nerve of some of these countries! ( China and Russia) Don't they know that the U.N. must do whatever the U.S.A. (and its' corporate masters) decrees?
I admit, I am one of them.
Clearly you do not understand how insignificant a role the UN has played in this.
You too.
to start- try and stop arms going in
next a no fly zone
then create a protection zone for the people being killed with troops on the ground if necessary
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