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Susan Atkins up for her yearly parole hearing next month - this would be number 18.

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LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The woman who stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death will be considered for parole from prison a month after the 40th anniversary of the killings that cast a shadow of fear over southern California. Susan Atkins has been denied parole 17 times.


Charles Manson used his hypnotic powers to direct Atkins and other "family" members to kill seven people, including the pregnant Tate, in a two-night rampage that terrorized the city of Los Angeles, California, in August 1969.

Atkins -- who was initially sentenced to death along with Manson and three others -- will have her 18th parole hearing on September 2, according to a spokesman with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

In July of last year, Atkins -- California's longest-serving female inmate -- was denied a compassionate release in a unanimous decision by the California Board of Parole Hearings.

She has repeatedly been described as a model prisoner who has accepted responsibility for her role in the slayings, and she now shuns Manson.

By her own admission, Atkins held Tate down as she pleaded for mercy and stabbed the pregnant woman 16 times. In a 1993 parole board hearing, Atkins said Tate "asked me to let her baby live. ... I told her I didn't have any mercy on her."

After stabbing Tate to death, according to historical accounts of the murders, Atkins scrawled the word "pig" in blood on the door of the home Tate shared with her husband, director Roman Polanski. Polanski was not home at the time, but three of Tate's house guests were also slain by the killers, as was a teenager who was visiting the home's caretaker in his nearby cottage.

A Web site maintained by her husband and attorney, James Whitehouse, says Atkins is now paralyzed over 85 percent of her body and cannot sit up in bed or even be moved into a wheelchair.

However, despite her declining condition and her impressive prison record, the site says, "there is still a very real chance the Parole Board will nonetheless insist her release would be a danger to society."

Atkins' compassionate release was opposed by Tate's sister, Debra, Los Angeles County prosecutors and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, among others. However, the former prosecutor who won her conviction, Vincent Bugliosi, said he supports Atkins' request for release.

"She has paid substantially, though not completely, for her horrendous crimes," Bugliosi told the Los Angeles Times last year. "Paying completely would mean imposing the death penalty."

Bugliosi is the author of several books on the Manson case, including "Helter Skelter."

Debra Tate told CNN in an e-mail in March that she does not believe any Manson family member convicted of murder should ever be set free, saying the slayings were "so vicious, so inhumane, so depraved, that there is no turning back."

"The 'Manson Family' murderers are sociopaths, and from that, they can never be rehabilitated," Debra Tate said. "They should all stay right where they are -- in prison -- until they die. There will never be true justice for my sister Sharon and the other victims of the 'Manson Family.' Keeping the murderers in prison is the least we, as a society who values justice, can do."

In a manuscript posted on her Web site, Atkins, who was known within the Manson family as Sadie Mae Glutz, wrote that "this is the past I have to live with, and I have to live with it every day."

"Unlike the reader, or the people who seem to think Charles Manson was cool, I can't think about it for an hour or so and then go on with my life. Just like the families and friends of the victims, this is with me every day. I have to wake up every day with this and no matter what I do for the rest of my life and no matter how much I give back to the community I will never be able to replace what my crime took away. And that's not 'neat,' and that's not 'cool.'"

Atkins was housed in the California Institution for Women at Frontera until May 2008, when her declining health caused her to be moved to Central California Women's Facility at Chowchilla.

Manson and those convicted along with him in the murders -- Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten and Charles "Tex" Watson -- have been in California prisons for more than three decades.
 

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She should not be released. Some actions have to be held as being so wrong you never get out of jail, the Manson family murders were those kind of actions.
 

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Since she's almost fully paralyzed, let her out.
Even if she was healthy I'd say release her, she's not the same person and isn't a danger to anyone.
 

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Lisa of Toronto said:
don't matter if she isnt a danger to anybody, fucc her let her rot in hell
Susan Atkins and at least one other Manson family
member found Jesus and was born again
many years ago in prison. So at least from the
christian perspective she is forgiven and will end up
in heaven.

Atkins' model-prisoner behaviour could well be the
result of her religious conversion. It is too bad that
Christ so often came in to the lives of infamous
murderers only after they got caught.
 

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oil&gas said:
It is too bad that
Christ came in to the lives of so many infamous
murderers only after they got caught.
Vicarious redemption naturally has a lot of appeal to murderers. You cannot be forgiven by someone you killed, so when your told a third party can forgive you in return for worship it`s natural they buy in.
 

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oil&gas said:
Susan Atkins and at least one other Manson family
member found Jesus and was born again
many years ago in prison. So at least from the
christian perspective she is forgiven and will end up
in heaven.
You be amazed how many criminals find religion right before they go to trial or when up for parole

The old saying: "I wish these fuckers found Jesus before they killed" :rolleyes:
 

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oil&gas said:
Susan Atkins and at least one other Manson family
member found Jesus and was born again
many years ago in prison. So at least from the
christian perspective she is forgiven and will end up
in heaven.

Atkins' model-prisoner behaviour could well be the
result of her religious conversion. It is too bad that
Christ so often came in to the lives of infamous
murderers only after they got caught.
I hope that she has found God, and that God in his mercy forgives her sins.

That said on this temporal plane, she committed an absolutely horrific murder in cold blood showing utterly no compassion. She was sentenced to death and it is only thanks to California Supreme Court having invalidated pre-1972 Death Sentences in California in People v. Anderson that she is even eligible for parole. She should not be paroled, she deserves to die in Prison.
 

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too many bleeding hearts they all should have got the death penalty 40 years ago and saved the state a bunch of money over the years!
 

gramage

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doggee_01 said:
too many bleeding hearts they all should have got the death penalty 40 years ago and saved the state a bunch of money over the years!
Death penalty cases on average cost more then life in prisonment.
 

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gramage said:
Death penalty cases on average cost more then life in prisonment.
these motherf$%#$%! are not average and no one will ever convince me that charlie boy and company did not and do not deserve the death penalty
 

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doggee_01 said:
these motherf$%#$%! are not average and no one will ever convince me that charlie boy and company did not and do not deserve the death penalty
Thats a completely different argument.

To that argument I say spending a long life in prison is far worse punishment then death.
 

doggee_01

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well i agree with you on most things gramage and i do not think the death penalty should be mandatory or even used in most cases -BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE IT REALLY IS THE WAY TO GO guess we can leave it at that
 

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the question

The question to me is that would she still be in jail had she killed someone that was not famous?
 

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Sure she should be released. But without benefit of paid medical care or round the clock nursing or even subsidized housing. Let her crawl to homeless shelters on the 15% of her body she has left and try to make a free life for herself. Mercy was not in her realm back then, so she shouldn't enjoy it now.
 

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doggee_01 said:
too many bleeding hearts they all should have got the death penalty 40 years ago and saved the state a bunch of money over the years!
exactly.

This is ONE case where the death penalty should have been carried out immediately. it is open and shut. They did it, they should die. EOS.
 

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gramage said:
Thats a completely different argument.

To that argument I say spending a long life in prison is far worse punishment then death.
It isn't so much worse punishment, but appropriate. Plus with Cali being on the verge of bankruptcy they could have used the money spent housing for them, and the medical care she's receiving.

Funny though, all this talk and debate about medical care for US citizens, but prisoners who have committed horrible crimes, get FREE medical care and those law abiding citizens who work for a living, rarely do. Odd to say the least......
 

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renaissance said:
The question to me is that would she still be in jail had she killed someone that was not famous?

She may be if the non famouse murdered person was 8 months pregnant
 

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tboy said:
It isn't so much worse punishment, but appropriate. Plus with Cali being on the verge of bankruptcy they could have used the money spent housing for them, and the medical care she's receiving.
But again putting someone to death on average costs more money then life in prion.
 
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