State of Missouri apparently also didn't get it in 2005 when they legislated something that has, according to you, already been "ipso facto" dealt with.
Supreme Court of Canada will release its decision on the Bedford, Lebovitch and Scott
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If the Conservative make prostitution illegal, then this law will be eventually defeated at the SCC. If they bring in the Nordic model, penalizing john's and pimps in law, no benefit to the safety of prostitutes will be achieved which was one of the goals of the recent SCC decisions and that law will be defeated as well. Maybe Harper who likes to prorogue, may ask the SCC to allow for an extension of the drafting of new laws with respect to prostitution to after the next election. If Harper gets five more years then he can bring in very austere laws with respect to the sex trade with less worry. Anyway the laws on prostitution are not really something that the Conservatives worry about and are likely to be more of a nuisance to them going into the next election.
We might have to start paying SP's in bitcoins. Or perhaps reinstate the barter trade. I pay you with 1 goat and 6 chickens. Enjoy your goat milk and chicken wings tonight
Very unlikely for several reasons, mostly the opposition is not saying what the voting majority wants to here.
One interesting part of the nordic model in areas that it is already implemented, research has mentioned something to the effect of actually putting prostitutes at more of a risk; in general a high majority of the clients who do visit are not the married, professionals most compare but rather guys who have nothing to loose, high risk and often no respect for prostitutes and are violent.
the comparative (generalized)would be "street" activity, vs reputable independents/agencies now
Yeah, which MP is gonna stick their necks out and be in favor of prostitution. Especially in this gutless county where women are in charge.
A lot could happen between now and then. Prostitution may well turn out to be the third rail for the Cons. justin might just get enough momentum from taking potshots. The Cons might lose a lot of their base.
I am pissed off that they will prob have to spend all their political capital fixing this, so there will be no hope of firearms act reform. Dammit,
The Conservatives will try to draft legislation, that is a given. There are simply too many social conservatives to allow this to simply disappear. But to suggest that the conservative caucus is united on this issue shows a lack of understanding of the caucus.
Want a good idea of how this is all going to go down? Look to Kim Campbell's government and the attempt at abortion legislation. There is a very real possibility that any legislation brought forth by the Lower House will simply disappear in the Upper Chamber. There is also the very real probability that any legislation will be dragged before the courts again, and once again policy will be created by the court system, rather than by the parliamentary system.
I'm guessing that in two to five years from now, it will be the local municipalities that have the say on how prostitution is run. There is simply too much money for local municipalities to ignore this revenue stream. It will be behind the scenes quiet lobbying that will shape how legislation is crafted.
Want a good idea of how this is all going to go down? Look to Kim Campbell's government and the attempt at abortion legislation. There is a very real possibility that any legislation brought forth by the Lower House will simply disappear in the Upper Chamber. There is also the very real probability that any legislation will be dragged before the courts again, and once again policy will be created by the court system, rather than by the parliamentary system.
I'm guessing that in two to five years from now, it will be the local municipalities that have the say on how prostitution is run. There is simply too much money for local municipalities to ignore this revenue stream. It will be behind the scenes quiet lobbying that will shape how legislation is crafted.
Nonsense, women are generally against prostitution. They see it as a threat to their power. i.e selling pussy retail is deal men don't deserve. They are also dumb enough to fall for the "protecting women" angle when that has been used throughout history to suppress womens freedom. Freedom and equality also means you are free to fuck up and end up in the gutter.
The NDP supports sex worker rights and this decision. They also do not support charging clients -like the cons do and some liberals do.
Call your MP (especially if they are conservative) and tell them you don't want any law. They left abortion alone.
Call your MP (especially if they are conservative) and tell them you don't want any law. They left abortion alone.
Escort agencies should incorporate as oil companies. Then the Harper gov't would allow them to bring in foreigners, exploit their workers, have no regard for the area they're located in. Probably qualify for subsidies too.
Remember the former Chemical Bank in New York (now part of JPMorgan Chase)? In the early nineteenth century they had been unable to get a straight charter as a bank from the State of New York, but were able to obtain a charter as a chemical manufacturer also authorized to conduct banking - hence the name.
New prostitution laws should consider 'consenting adults': Terri-Jean Bedford
The federal government "should take consenting adults into consideration" as it crafts its response to the Supreme Court decision that declared three key prostitution laws unconstitutional, says one of the sex workers involved in the case.
In a unanimous decision released Friday, the court found that the laws that prohibit keeping a brothel, living on the avails of prostitution and communicating in public for purposes of prostitution are overly broad and infringe on prostitutes' Charter rights by depriving them of security of the person.
The laws will remain in place, however, as the court's decision is set aside for one year until Parliament decides how to respond: it can either amend the current laws or set the issue aside.
Both Bedford and Scott agree that the answer is not the so-called "Nordic model," which makes soliciting sex by "johns" illegal.
Bedford warns that such laws put men at risk by, for example, opening them up to blackmail.
"I don't think men should be criminalized for obeying a natural need either," Bedford says.
Scott adds: "There's always money involved when it comes to sex, whether it's sex work or not. But men should not be criminalized and vilified…We're all adults here. Don't treat men like they are villains simply because they like to have sex."
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-...ts-terri-jean-bedford-1.1604323#ixzz2oETF8EHr
The federal government "should take consenting adults into consideration" as it crafts its response to the Supreme Court decision that declared three key prostitution laws unconstitutional, says one of the sex workers involved in the case.
In a unanimous decision released Friday, the court found that the laws that prohibit keeping a brothel, living on the avails of prostitution and communicating in public for purposes of prostitution are overly broad and infringe on prostitutes' Charter rights by depriving them of security of the person.
The laws will remain in place, however, as the court's decision is set aside for one year until Parliament decides how to respond: it can either amend the current laws or set the issue aside.
Both Bedford and Scott agree that the answer is not the so-called "Nordic model," which makes soliciting sex by "johns" illegal.
Bedford warns that such laws put men at risk by, for example, opening them up to blackmail.
"I don't think men should be criminalized for obeying a natural need either," Bedford says.
Scott adds: "There's always money involved when it comes to sex, whether it's sex work or not. But men should not be criminalized and vilified…We're all adults here. Don't treat men like they are villains simply because they like to have sex."
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-...ts-terri-jean-bedford-1.1604323#ixzz2oETF8EHr
What's really interesting to me is that the Nordic model, German legalization, and complete prohibition are all argued against because they result in one or more of:
-increased danger to the women from clients
-increase in human trafficking; importing women from foreign countries through coercion, lies, the lure of money
-involvement of unscrupulous pimps, organized crime
So basically everywhere in the world there will be some people who are manipulative evil exploiters of women.
I didn't know this, thanks for the trivia!
most are assuming the dynamics WITHIN the sex trade WILL remain the same, however the uncontrolled variable is the client.
so, perhaps addressing the issues surrounding reporting incidents to the police also needs to be addressed.
There would be a natural rise initially, as most women are not going to the police now- which would then suggest "higher" rates of violence and most would then assume as there isn't a true comparative, that the "model" is to blame without taking into account that protecting the "victim" stance encourages women to do so.
interesting indeed.
The Conservative government is giving its strongest signal yet it will replace the prostitution laws struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada with new measures.
"(Justice) Minister (Peter) MacKay can count on my full support to implement an appropriate response to that decision," Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said Sunday on CTV.
He says he's "disappointed" with Friday's unanimous declaration that Canada's bans on brothels, communicating for the purpose of prostitution and living off its profits are unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court concluded the current laws violate hookers' right to security of the person, but Blaney says the government will find another way to help women because prostitution turns people "into real modern slaves."
"That's what prostitution, in many cases, is all about," he said. "This is abusing women, turning them into, not only human trafficking (victims), but into drug (addicts), into removing sometimes their own identity and using them in a way that is despicable."
Blaney didn't back any specific policy, but Conservative Party members took a definite stance on the issue at their Calgary convention last month.
They passed a resolution calling for a plan "to target the purchasers of sex and human trafficking markets through criminalizing the purchase of sex" - similar to policies already enacted in Sweden and Norway.
But that idea may get some resistance from the justice minister.
"I'm not entirely convinced that the direction that has been attempted in other countries, and this Nordic model being one, is the right fit for Canada," MacKay told QMI Agency last week.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/2...replace-prostitution-laws-to-help-sex-workers
"(Justice) Minister (Peter) MacKay can count on my full support to implement an appropriate response to that decision," Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said Sunday on CTV.
He says he's "disappointed" with Friday's unanimous declaration that Canada's bans on brothels, communicating for the purpose of prostitution and living off its profits are unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court concluded the current laws violate hookers' right to security of the person, but Blaney says the government will find another way to help women because prostitution turns people "into real modern slaves."
"That's what prostitution, in many cases, is all about," he said. "This is abusing women, turning them into, not only human trafficking (victims), but into drug (addicts), into removing sometimes their own identity and using them in a way that is despicable."
Blaney didn't back any specific policy, but Conservative Party members took a definite stance on the issue at their Calgary convention last month.
They passed a resolution calling for a plan "to target the purchasers of sex and human trafficking markets through criminalizing the purchase of sex" - similar to policies already enacted in Sweden and Norway.
But that idea may get some resistance from the justice minister.
"I'm not entirely convinced that the direction that has been attempted in other countries, and this Nordic model being one, is the right fit for Canada," MacKay told QMI Agency last week.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/2...replace-prostitution-laws-to-help-sex-workers
Everything has a good side. If Canada adopts Nordic model, it will not stop local hardcore hobbyists but might stop from partaking some Americans which would keep the prices in check. We will have our little Cuban like paradise.
