Supreme Court of Canada will release its decision on the Bedford, Lebovitch and Scott

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Sex workers fear new prostitution laws will compromise safety

When the Supreme Court of Canada declared three major prostitution laws unconstitutional in December, Valerie Scott called it the best day of her life. Now, Scott and other advocates for safer conditions for sex workers are concerned the ruling may have been futile.

Scott is one of the three sex workers who challenged the prostitution laws in Bedford v. Canada. The court struck down laws prohibiting brothels, living off the avails of prostitution, and communicating in public with clients because it said they force sex workers into dangerous situations.

But the court’s decision has become a hollow victory for Scott and her colleagues. Parliament has been given 12 months to rewrite the laws, and has expressed interest in legislation many sex workers say would do nothing to improve their working conditions and could even make them worse.

MacKay told CBC in January the government intends to draft legislation that would help sex workers transition out of the industry, and instead punish pimps and johns. This is what’s known as the Nordic model of prostitution, and in essence it makes it legal to sell sex but not to buy it.

The Nordic model is already enforced in four European countries: Sweden, Norway, Iceland and France.

Brenda Cossman, a law professor at University of Toronto, said it has created many of the same problems sex workers in Canada want to avoid.

"Those on the streets are working in very, very risky conditions because they go further into remote areas,” Cossman said, describing the situation in Europe. “They have to do the negotiation very quickly. It doesn’t give them any time to assess risk.”

Norway’s Ministry of Justice did a report on sex work in 2004 that indicates the preferred clients have moved to the internet, but the dangerous ones stayed on the streets.

Currently in Canada, most sex workers screen their clients before they see them. They record their legal name and address. They know their phone number. But under the Nordic model, Scott said clients will be afraid to identify themselves to sex workers.

“We’ll have to accept calls from blocked numbers. We won’t know who we’re seeing,” said Scott. She calls this a gift to sexual predators.
Pending legislation

Last week, MacKay told a crowd in Halifax that Parliament will introduce the bill "well before" the December 2014 deadline, and just needs to communicate with police and provinces to finalize the process.

Scott told CBC that to her knowledge, no sex workers have been involved in the decision-making process.

“MacKay is only interested in consulting with those whom seek to prohibit sex work, under the guise of ‘saving us.’ It makes it crystal clear that this federal government is solely interested in its own political safety and could [not] care less about our lives,” Scott said.

Emily Van der Muelen agreed the Nordic laws would be hazardous to sex workers. “It appeals to the government because its fits with their ‘tough on crime’ agenda,” said the Ryerson University criminology professor.

“They think it’s the only way they can retain some element of control over the sex industry.”

The Department of Justice was asked to comment for this article, but said it would not answer questions until the legislation is tabled.

“We have nothing to add to the comments we’ve already made, and developments on this issue will be announced in due course,” ministry press secretary Paloma Aguilar wrote in an email response to CBC News.


'Do not rewrite the laws'

Scott said the ideal situation would be for the government to do nothing.

"Do not rewrite the laws. They did not rewrite the same sex marriage law, they did not rewrite the abortion law. But they know that we’re not a great huge amount of people — and we’re politically not a great cause to get behind in terms of vote-getting.

Alternatively, she points to New Zealand, which has been called the most progressive country in the world for sex work. Scott and a number of other advocates for sex workers interviewed by CBC News said they would like to see a version of the system used in New Zealand and New South Wales implemented here in Canada.

The Prostitution Reform Act was brought into effect in New Zealand 2003, and set up a framework to protect the human rights of sex workers. Under the Act, sex work is considered normal and legal work. The workers are protected by labour laws that promote their health and safety, and a tribunal hears disputes with brothel owners.

The brothels pay licensing fees that are the same as other businesses such as coffee shops — about $650 a year. Oftentimes the brothels are run by sex workers or former sex workers themselves. According to the Ministry of Justice in New Zealand, the number of sex workers in the country has not increased since decriminalization.

Advocates for safer conditions for those working in the sex trade would like to see a similar approach in Canada.

“The women who are doing the work should be the ones that are able to obtain a licence. We should be able to rent a place together and work together,” Scott said. “That’s what safety is, being in proximity with each other.”
Local control

Municipalities also have the power to make laws surrounding sex work in New Zealand, covering things such as health-and-safety and zoning restrictions, which Cossman said is a superior form of regulation.

She’s concerned that due to the way the Supreme Court of Canada set up its ruling, there will be no provision for control of sex work by municipalities through localized bylaws and labour laws. Instead, the Supreme Court made it Parliament’s responsibility to revamp federal laws, setting the stage for more criminal legislation surrounding prostitution.

“The Supreme Court didn’t say anything about really needing to decriminalize prostitution,” said Cossman, and instead has given the government leeway to recriminalize it with new laws.

She worries that if the Nordic model of regulating prostitution is enacted, constitutional challenges surrounding sex work will start all over again. Advocates for sex workers would need to spend years gathering evidence again to show the new laws are harmful to sex workers.

“That to me is a horrifyingly tragic period of time where we’re basically saying sex workers are the guinea pigs and let’s see if it makes it any safer for them,” said Cossman.

“It means that we will have to spend the next 10 years massing evidence of robberies, beatings, rapes and murders,” Scott added. “How many bodies have to pile up?”



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sex-w...itution-laws-will-compromise-safety-1.2523145


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosti...e_clients_of_prostitution_.282011_and_2013.29

Proposal to penalise clients of prostitution (2011 and 2013)[edit]

In October and November 2013, French lawmakers began debating a proposal to penalise clients of prostitution.[106] On December 4, the National Assembly passed a bill fining clients of prostitutes by 268 votes to 138, with 79 abstaining, which would impose fines of at least €1,500 on clients caught paying for sexual relations. Within the National Assembly, the majority of those against it were MPs from the Socialist Party, which dominates this house.[107] The bill has yet to pass the Senate, in which, conversely, the opposition Union for a Popular Movement holds the most seats.
 

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Sex workers fear new prostitution laws will compromise safety

When the Supreme Court of Canada declared three major prostitution laws unconstitutional in December, Valerie Scott called it the best day of her life. Now, Scott and other advocates for safer conditions for sex workers are concerned the ruling may have been futile.

Scott is one of the three sex workers who challenged the prostitution laws in Bedford v. Canada. The court struck down laws prohibiting brothels, living off the avails of prostitution, and communicating in public with clients because it said they force sex workers into dangerous situations.

But the court’s decision has become a hollow victory for Scott and her colleagues. Parliament has been given 12 months to rewrite the laws, and has expressed interest in legislation many sex workers say would do nothing to improve their working conditions and could even make them worse.
At least Valerie is starting to realize what an idiot she is to think she would be opening a brothel. That's positive.
 

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At least Valerie is starting to realize what an idiot she is to think she would be opening a brothel. That's positive.

That's why you don't make the ASK until you know what you really want.
 

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Their (unintended) timing just really sucked on this. Had Liberals been in power I think it'd be legalized very quickly.

There's also a chance if Trudeau gets elected he might still overturn Harper's new Nordic law
 

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The Nordic Law will against put sex workers in the same situation the supreme court is against
Yeah, you think Harper cares though?!
 

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Their (unintended) timing just really sucked on this. Had Liberals been in power I think it'd be legalized very quickly.

There's also a chance if Trudeau gets elected he might still overturn Harper's new Nordic law
That's not true. Some guy on this thread already pointed out that the nordic countries are the most "liberal" countries on earth. I think the swedes even have a law that half the seats in the legislature are female.

This court challenge was destined to be a disaster from the start.
 

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I think the swedes even have a law that half the seats in the legislature are female.
Maybe that is why Sweden passed a law that makes horny men criminals.

This court challenge was destined to be a disaster from the start.
Proof once again that you don't mess with the "White Man" (Harper, MacKay, Blair, etc.).
 

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im still going to claim to be a male prostitute doing an outcall to a girls hotel if cops try to make an arrest.
 

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Their (unintended) timing just really sucked on this. Had Liberals been in power I think it'd be legalized very quickly.

There's also a chance if Trudeau gets elected he might still overturn Harper's new Nordic law
Huh? They started this lawsuit with the Cons in power. It's not clear that the Libs would have supported decriminalization. Trudeau has already expressed the same philosophical position as the Cons. And, he banks on the women's vote.


The Nordic Law will against put sex workers in the same situation the supreme court is against.

Sort of. The argument that was accepted by the court was the abiding by the previous law put women's safety at risk (not using drivers/bodyguards, fixed place of work, etc). Under the nordic model, it would be breaking the law that puts them in danger.
 

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Huh? They started this lawsuit with the Cons in power
But they had no way of knowing Harper would get re-elected in 2011, one year after the SCC ruling

It's not clear that the Libs would have supported decriminalization. Trudeau has already expressed the same philosophical position as the Cons. And, he banks on the women's vote
Where has Justin said he's against prostitution?? Do you have a link for that??
 

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It's interesting to speculate but, I've got a bad feeling about this. I hope I am wrong, but thanks to the efforts Bedford and company, looks more like we may see a display of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
I think you're right...they should have let sleeping dogs lie, in this case. Now we will likely have a situation where hobbyists can and will be charged. I may have to re-think my involvement in this industry after 14 years. The risk of mandatory minimums and a criminal record would be enough for me to bow out.
 

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It looks like we're about to go back to the dark ages where prostitution is concerned. While the Nordic Model is nonsensical (e.g. legal to sell, but illegal to buy) and likely wouldn't survive a court challenge, it's a moot point. For the time being, The Conservatives will enact the Nordic Model so as to be seen "doing something", while advancing their 'tough on crime' agenda under the guise of protecting women from the evils of sex trafficking and exploitation. Meanwhile, SPs and hobbyists will be left out in the cold... If it comes to fruition, I'm sorry to say it will not bode well for communities like Terb and others.
 

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At least the NDP wants to get everyone involved on this, including sex workers
Christ almighty, dont tell me I finally agree with the NDP on something.

Might have to take a shower now. No wait, 2 showers just in case
 

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I continue to believe that Young and his phalanx of law students anticipated and accepted this outcome believing that it would produce a better situation for the most downtrodden sex workers trapped between the police and their pimps. With the Tories in power, this litigation was a zero-sum game between the desperate prostitutes and the autonomous profit-driven prostitutes, and the latter group appears to be losing.
 

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It looks like we're about to go back to the dark ages where prostitution is concerned. While the Nordic Model is nonsensical (e.g. legal to sell, but illegal to buy) and likely wouldn't survive a court challenge, it's a moot point. For the time being, The Conservatives will enact the Nordic Model so as to be seen "doing something", while advancing their 'tough on crime' agenda under the guise of protecting women from the evils of sex trafficking and exploitation. Meanwhile, SPs and hobbyists will be left out in the cold... If it comes to fruition, I'm sorry to say it will not bode well for communities like Terb and others
It might well be.

But remember up until now street prostitution was very illegal, and it still wasnt enforced all that well by LE. Yes there were occasional police sweeps, but that hardly made any indents into the trade.

I suspect even if Harper adopts the Nordic model, things wont change all that much
 

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I suspect even if Harper adopts the Nordic model, things wont change all that much
There will be John school, John registries, etc. If you are doing anything at all with your life, the cost/benefit of seeing SPs will skew wildly towards life destroying.
 

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I continue to believe that Young and his phalanx of law students anticipated and accepted this outcome believing that it would produce a better situation for the most downtrodden sex workers trapped between the police and their pimps. With the Tories in power, this litigation was a zero-sum game between the desperate prostitutes and the autonomous profit-driven prostitutes, and the latter group appears to be losing.
I disagree. The only thing Young cares about is his name in the paper. It was completely predictable that this would happen. Only a lunatic would think that a government of any party would allow brothels to open with a big sign that says brothel.
 
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