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(stupid) questions from an American

Seffner Monger

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Please forgive the naive nature of these questions, as I'm still learning how things work in your great country. If any of you ever need information about the Tampa/St. Petersburg area, just ask.

Incall vs. Outcall: Which one is better from the standpoint of service and not getting ripped off? It would seem to me that incall presents less likelihood of the girl doing a "cash and dash." On the other hand, it also presents a scenario that puts you in less control of your surroundings. (In the U.S., there are sometimes goons or robbers hiding in the next room. Doesn't happen all the time, but the bad guys know with it being completely illegal in the States, they can pretty much get away with it.)

Outcall, it seems offers less risk of that, a chance to control your surroundings -- and also more chance of a cash and dash.

Which do you folks prefer, and why?

Massage Parlors: Is full service mostly a given at parlors in and around Toronto, or is it hit or miss? I don't want to waste time and money on less than a sure thing. In the U.S. (at least where I live), full service can be truly hit or miss, based on the place in question, the girl in question, how much you tip, etc.

Do the MP's in Canada generally have an "all inclusive" rate or is it more like the U.S., where services vary wildly according to the tip (and a lot of other factors that are out of the customer's control)?
 

groggy

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Incall agencies are mostly quite reputable and low risk.
Massage Parlours are rub and tugs here, anything beyond that is not supposed to happen, no full service.
 

Clear History

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If you stay between the lines and go with well reviewed ladies/agencies on the board, your chances of getting ripped off are virtually nil. Technically, incalls are illegal but I've never had any problems. Outcalls are perfectly legal.
 

HentaiRanger

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MP are hit miss! It depends on the girl and how many times you've been there from my experience. I went to a MP over 20 times before I got a bj then FS. MP I only had to go three times before I got FS with two MPAs and some will offer daty and cbj....there tons of mp in Toronto to pick from.

If your looking for FS call a SP and stick to well reviewed SPs to help avoid B&S
 

LordLoki

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If you find a deal you cannot believe, do not believe it. Virtually all established agencies or well reviewed indies are exceptionally unlikely to rip you off. Quality of the experience though depends on who you pick. Read the reviews.

We have a vice squad in Canada and they do raids on Massage Parlours and incalls. Mostly because of complaints from neighbours or the public. I did not research it, but I was told they try and do at least one raid a week. For the suppliers to talk about it would be bad for business. I know they do at least some because an aquaintance got charged as a found in. His lawyer told him talking about it was an incredibly stupid act. Our laws do not require you to be naked, to have been caught having sex, or much of anything. Being found in is a criminal offence.

Your concern should be that as a visitor they can easily assume you would run back to US. We do not have a bail bonds man system in Canada. Make certain you have accesss to a HUGE chunk of cash.

How risky is it? Assuming we have 200 places in GTA that might be raided, and assuming they are open 10 hours a day, and assuming 30 days in a month .... that is something like 50,000 hrs available. Assume they do 5 raids a month, you have 1 chance in 10,000 of being raided / hr you spend there. For a Canadian whose job does not require a police check, not bad odds. In your case, if the call to your employer to verify your employment status (for bail), to your wife (if you have one), the cost of returning to Toronto for the court date, spending time locked up until you can provide bail, legal fees, etc may make the outcall a less expensive idea.

Before the comments fly in, for locals once they are convinced you are local and employed they let you out without bail.
 

blackrock13

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If you find a deal you cannot believe, do not believe it. Virtually all established agencies or well reviewed indies are exceptionally unlikely to rip you off. Quality of the experience though depends on who you pick. Read the reviews.

We have a vice squad in Canada and they do raids on Massage Parlours and incalls. Mostly because of complaints from neighbours or the public. I did not research it, but I was told they try and do at least one raid a week. For the suppliers to talk about it would be bad for business. I know they do at least some because an aquaintance got charged as a found in. His lawyer told him talking about it was an incredibly stupid act. Our laws do not require you to be naked, to have been caught having sex, or much of anything. Being found in is a criminal offence.

Your concern should be that as a visitor they can easily assume you would run back to US. We do not have a bail bonds man system in Canada. Make certain you have accesss to a HUGE chunk of cash.

How risky is it? Assuming we have 200 places in GTA that might be raided, and assuming they are open 10 hours a day, and assuming 30 days in a month .... that is something like 50,000 hrs available. Assume they do 5 raids a month, you have 1 chance in 10,000 of being raided / hr you spend there. For a Canadian whose job does not require a police check, not bad odds. In your case, if the call to your employer to verify your employment status (for bail), to your wife (if you have one), the cost of returning to Toronto for the court date, spending time locked up until you can provide bail, legal fees, etc may make the outcall a less expensive idea.

Before the comments fly in, for locals once they are convinced you are local and employed they let you out without bail.
I see you have done a lot of thinking on this to pass on. Good to see.
 

Ceiling Cat

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Hello Great Gringo,

Can you tell us how things compare south of the 49th parallel?

Ceiling Cat
 

LordLoki

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I see you have done a lot of thinking on this to pass on. Good to see.
Not to mention the the problems with taking an SP with you on cross border, interstate, trips. LOL

That is very serious criminal offence, and the SP is not in trouble, the person who paid for the ticket is.

I will never ever hire an SP to join me crossing a border. Not to say I would not take a woman who works as an SP with me. Just not one I had paid in any way during the last six months.

Mind you given I am late 50s, sexy 20 something companions do raise alarm bells with imigration/customs.
 

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If you find a deal you cannot believe, do not believe it. Virtually all established agencies or well reviewed indies are exceptionally unlikely to rip you off. Quality of the experience though depends on who you pick. Read the reviews.

We have a vice squad in Canada and they do raids on Massage Parlours and incalls. Mostly because of complaints from neighbours or the public. I did not research it, but I was told they try and do at least one raid a week. For the suppliers to talk about it would be bad for business. I know they do at least some because an aquaintance got charged as a found in. His lawyer told him talking about it was an incredibly stupid act. Our laws do not require you to be naked, to have been caught having sex, or much of anything. Being found in is a criminal offence.

Your concern should be that as a visitor they can easily assume you would run back to US. We do not have a bail bonds man system in Canada. Make certain you have accesss to a HUGE chunk of cash.

How risky is it? Assuming we have 200 places in GTA that might be raided, and assuming they are open 10 hours a day, and assuming 30 days in a month .... that is something like 50,000 hrs available. Assume they do 5 raids a month, you have 1 chance in 10,000 of being raided / hr you spend there. For a Canadian whose job does not require a police check, not bad odds. In your case, if the call to your employer to verify your employment status (for bail), to your wife (if you have one), the cost of returning to Toronto for the court date, spending time locked up until you can provide bail, legal fees, etc may make the outcall a less expensive idea.

Before the comments fly in, for locals once they are convinced you are local and employed they let you out without bail.
Good info here, but there's always more. In Canada we have a single Criminal Code that covers the entire country, the provinces just enforce the laws—they, or their towns and cities run the vice squads—the feds make, unlike you guys where the states make the criminal laws and enforce them. So there can be considerable difference across municipal boundaries about just what is done about the same criminal offence. But as to the offence itself, just one flavour.

There is no criminal law against anyone fucking for money, either receiving it or paying it. There are laws against running whorehouses (Google 'bawdyhouse'), being a possible customer in one (that'd be Loki's 'found-in') working in one, or pimping in general ('avails' is the archaic legal term) and there are also criminal laws against publicly doing sex-deals that make streetwalking or being a customer criminal. But if she shows up at your place you are in no criminal law danger offering money or handing it over to get sex.

Different if it's not your place, because it might meet the definition of a bawdyhouse, and that's where the ten-tonne weight crashes down. Now as to MPs' if the local folks are reasonably comfy with clean staff in clean places offering just a rub'n'tug that gets inspected and passes regularly, then they won't go through the hassle of collecting evidence and prosecuting it as a bawdyhouse. But they could, and in Vaughan just north of TO, they very much do. If she advertises and makes and appointment at her place, you could be stepping into danger there; if you're just one of many customers, her place qualifies as a bawdyhouse. But again, they'd have to get the evidence, not of just one, but of repeated sex-for money deals.

So briefly: Outcalls are very safe. You or she could in fact call the cops if the other party didn't behave. The agency that sets it up may be pimping, but thet's nothing either of you need worry about. Incalls can be safe, but are illegal, pretty much without a defence, unless you were the pizza guy, could produce the phone order and still had your pants on with only the pizza hot, as you have to be found-in without lawful excuse, but that is all the cops need. But they still must prove the place offered and delivered sex for cash repeatedly, 'cause if they can't, then you weren't found-in any place that matters.

Two sidelights of interest: One judge did toss out a bawdyhouse charge against an MP. His take was that nobody actually bought or sold a handjob, even though it had been proven one was delivered. Absent the cops evidence there was deal, he saw no reason to believe it wasn't just a spontaneous part of the overall nekkid fun which had been bought and paid for under the city license, and threw out the criminal charge. That was a lower court and hasn't been given wider authority by a higher court. No word on whether the spa kept its license, and that's as critical to what you get in one as the Criminal Code.

Second: There is a case before the Supreme Court, in which the feds are trying to overturn a lower appeal court's ruling that the current laws force sexworkers to ply their legal trade in dangerous ways contrary to their Charter rights, since effectively the only legal way is for her to take her own calls and go, with no backup, to the premises of strange men who might well assault them or worse. (Google 'Pickton pig-farm') That case has not been decided, but technically all those laws are now on a temporary basis.

The basic behaviour rule flows from the fact that prostitution is not illegal here; stay discreet, be polite, do only what you see the locals doing and you should be just fine.
 

trod

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Stick to outcalls as a visitor...stay in a 4/5 star hotel and call up any reputed agency like Cupids, Dream Makers, Select, Mirage, etc from a local phone ( you can get it from 7/11 ).

As for MPs...FS is rare and don't go to any parlor expecting it. Just the usual rub and tub.
 

james t kirk

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Stick to outcalls as a visitor...stay in a 4/5 star hotel and call up any reputed agency like Cupids, Dream Makers, Select, Mirage, etc from a local phone ( you can get it from 7/11 ).

As for MPs...FS is rare and don't go to any parlor expecting it. Just the usual rub and tub.
This is the best advice so far.

Stick to having the girl come to your hotel and stick with a reputable agency (as listed).

As far as getting ripped off goes - your chances are better walking down the street and Toronto is pretty safe. That said, no need to carry a grand in cash with you is there. Have the fee and maybe 100 bucks more with you and that's it.

As far as MPs goes, FS is rare, virtually nonexistant at the high end MPs I would say. (Nothing is impossible, but I would say you have better odds of going to live on a base on the moon in 8 years time than getting FS at Allure (as an exmple)).

Some of the dive Massage Parlours probably offer full service, but I wouldn't recommend it. You're better off to stick with an Escort Agency for FS. All of us are looking for that elusive "Diamond in the Rough" Massage Girl who is a knock out, smart, funny, sexy as hell, working on the cheap, and offers FS - but I've yet to find her. (If you do, feel free to PM me.)

Usually, if you have to walk up a narrow set of stairs with a stark light at the top of the stairs to a massage parlour - you can be assured that they are not a high end massage parlour.
 

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Usually, if you have to walk up a narrow set of stairs with a stark light at the top of the stairs to a massage parlour - you can be assured that they are not a high end massage parlour.
So true. This got me thinking of other tell-tale signs you're not entering a high end establishment....

When you enter the front door you find yourself in a small, white holding cell with another locked door, a sign telling you to ring the doorbell, and wires sticking out of the wall where the doorbell used to be.

The MP has a lit-up tropical beach sign in the front window. This is usually an indication there are grouchy 40 year-old russian women inside.

There is a large poster on a wall of a generic male body, in a spread eagle, palms-up pose with all the major body parts and pressure points identified. The first time I saw this I was naiive and believed it to be an indication of a legit health centre with highly trained staff. But it's not.
 

Aardvark154

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Hello Great Gringo,

Can you tell us how things compare south of the 49th parallel?

Ceiling Cat
Toronto is south of the 49th parallel, hell it's south of the 44th parallel.


I'm pretty sure it is still true that 3/4 of the Canadian population lives south of the 49th parallel.
 

DocOdd

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As another American who visits, I find outcalls to generally be the most convenient, and they have the added advantage of being completely legal. That said, I haven't really had any trouble with incalls either. I generally go with the reputable agencies (some have been mentioned in this thread; I've personally used Select, Dream Makers, Sassy Angels, RoomMates, Mirage, Cupids, Toronto Girlfriends, and Splendid), and while I have very rarely had less than stellar experiences, I've never been ripped off. I also see some indies; normally those I've seen people speak well of here, or former agency girls I'd seen before when they worked for an agency (I don't bother searching the various places indies post their ads; too much bait and switch for me to want to see an indie I haven't heard reliable reports about).
 

Aardvark154

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Beat this one - driving around with my American cousin in a hilly part of Toronto. She says "Boy there are a lot of hills around here". I said "Oh, well after every winter, we shovel the snow up really high and just build roads over it." She says "That sounds like a good idea."
Presumably she comes from a snowless part of the U.S.?
:frusty:
 

james t kirk

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So true. This got me thinking of other tell-tale signs you're not entering a high end establishment....

When you enter the front door you find yourself in a small, white holding cell with another locked door, a sign telling you to ring the doorbell, and wires sticking out of the wall where the doorbell used to be.

The MP has a lit-up tropical beach sign in the front window. This is usually an indication there are grouchy 40 year-old russian women inside.

There is a large poster on a wall of a generic male body, in a spread eagle, palms-up pose with all the major body parts and pressure points identified. The first time I saw this I was naiive and believed it to be an indication of a legit health centre with highly trained staff. But it's not.
It's funny the places that one's cock will lead one. Places that under any other circumstance you'd never want to go into in a million years.
 

wigglee

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When I was a kid, every year we would see a car or two with U.S. plates and skis on the roof...in the summer!
 

Aardvark154

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And toothless part of the US too. I guess either one could explain it.

Did I mention that my cousin is also my sister, and my wife? (Cue Deliverance Theme...)
Yes, but your argument reflects more poorly on you, I was being nice.
 
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