If the victim was a female there would have been a substantial amount of jail time.
Students in St. Michael's College School sex assault sentenced to 2 years probation
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I think gender privilege or lack also played a role. I agree.
Male victim and rich perpetrators = no jail time.
Which is fucking ridiculous.
I don't know how you make a privileged, private school kid the Minister of Education. If I was the union I would be all over this.
The minister could care less about public-funded education. Stephen Lecce's dad went to St. Mike's too so there's a strong possibility the minister's kids won't be in our publicly-funded schools.
No skin in the game. No wonder he can be such a hard-ass in these negotiations.
It would have been exactly the same. They're juveniles. They get very soft sentences. It's standard.
If they were adults, it would have been totally different.
Let me tell you something about Brian Weagant. He is one of the leading children's rights advocates in the country. His leading case (when he was still a practising attorney) was the Supreme Court case that made physical discipline of children illegal in Canada. Before Weagant took that appeal, it was perfectly legal to beat a kid black and blue with a belt and it happened a fair bit.
You can thank Weagant that the practice was outlawed in this country.
Now, all you guys who sit around posting on TERB can post what YOU'VE done for children's rights in Canada. I'll wait.....
Teen pinned down St. Mike's student during sex assault in locker room, court hears
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Teen pinned down St. Mike's student during sex assault in locker room, court hears
TORONTO — The trial of a teenage boy accused of sexually assaulting two students in a locker room heard Wednesday from several former teammates who described a culture of violent hazing at their Toronto all-boys Catholic school. One teen said he saw three teammates pin down another student in a...
Not surprised.Teen pinned down St. Mike's student during sex assault in locker room, court hears
Teen pinned down St. Mike's student during sex assault in locker room, court hears
TORONTO — The trial of a teenage boy accused of sexually assaulting two students in a locker room heard Wednesday from several former teammates who described a culture of violent hazing at their Toronto all-boys Catholic school. One teen said he saw three teammates pin down another student in a...
I'm sure if there was a #metoo targeting Toronto/Gta, you'd hear some crazy stuff.
It's not so much the judge got it wrong, it's the Canadian criminal justice system got it wrong.
We don't throw the book at criminals anymore. Violent crime like this case nets you a slap on the wrist, if that.
When the conservatives under Harper proposed changes like changing the sentencing guidelines so that a life sentence actually meant a life sentence, there were howls of outrage in the media and supposedly in the populace (not me). Of course, we don't have enough money to incarcerate all the criminals out there, but that's another issue.
We don't throw the book at criminals anymore. Violent crime like this case nets you a slap on the wrist, if that.
When the conservatives under Harper proposed changes like changing the sentencing guidelines so that a life sentence actually meant a life sentence, there were howls of outrage in the media and supposedly in the populace (not me). Of course, we don't have enough money to incarcerate all the criminals out there, but that's another issue.
It is not a justice system. It is a legal system. Criminals have rights and they use them well. Well their lawyers do which is why wealth plays a part in getting less jail time. These guys can afford it. A black man charged on a dime bag doesn’t have enough money to fight it in court. Legal aid does not cover trials. So he has no choice but to plead out. Now he has a record, now he can’t get most good jobs and the cycle of going downhill starts.
I agree change to sentencing, especially for violent crimes is needed but help for the poor in criminal cases is also needed. It would make a world of difference. If it could be done.
Sadly we live in reality and that ain’t happening any time soon.
This whole thing is just the tip of the iceberg.
Most of you know or heard what fraternity initiations are. They always have some rituals and hazing is quite often a center peace of it.
One of the rituals in hockey world is the infamous stick up a bum. If you ask NHL players about it, most will nod their heads without divulging too much information.
This ritual's been happening at St. Mike's for quite a while. Many have gone through initiation. It's a dark secret. This time it was exposed to broad public.
Those kids neither invented the ritual nor were the first ones to perform it. Privilege has very little to do with judge's ruling. There's a real domino effect in play here.
Most of you know or heard what fraternity initiations are. They always have some rituals and hazing is quite often a center peace of it.
One of the rituals in hockey world is the infamous stick up a bum. If you ask NHL players about it, most will nod their heads without divulging too much information.
This ritual's been happening at St. Mike's for quite a while. Many have gone through initiation. It's a dark secret. This time it was exposed to broad public.
Those kids neither invented the ritual nor were the first ones to perform it. Privilege has very little to do with judge's ruling. There's a real domino effect in play here.
All of these private schools have sick elements in their culture.
If a teacher was too creepy at one private school, they’d just send them to another in what was referred to as “pass the trash”.
Whenever this stuff happens, it’s because the teachers or coaches weren’t watching when they could have easily prevented it by simply being in the room or near it.
UCC had a huge court case back in 1990s about a teacher who buggered students over the years while the school covered it up.
I’m sure there are plenty of old boys from these schools on this site who could chime in here.
True.
I can see a difference though between a young adult in a frat peer-pressured into be part of hazing and being held down and a broom shoved up your ass. There is also a line between 'harmless' activities like rookies carry the bags and forced drinking.
The fact that this was going on in a school and staff admitted that there regularly was some kind of hazing will leave them open to civil liability (or being one of those elite places, either quite payoffs or influential alumni continuing the pattern to shut them down).
I'll also bet that being a prominent football program, the coaches probably did it when they were players and watched some of the hazing while laughing.
It's not just the private schools. Catholic schools have the same issues as well.
Isn't raping somebody with a broom handle fucking ridiculous by definition??
Might as well.
Or it could be that it's such a sexy story when soft ass bougie private school kids have any little incident, as opposed to those that went to regular school.
Let's examine this... here are just few examples:
www.baltimoresun.com
komonews.com
www.theglobeandmail.com
nypost.com
Nothing to do with privilege, private schools or otherwise. This is an old stupid sadistic ritual.
How a football locker room, a broomstick and a sex assault case have roiled a Maryland high school
Officials at Damascus High School in suburban Maryland waited more than 12 hours to tell police about credible allegations that several junior-varsity football players pinned a teammate in a locker…
www.baltimoresun.com
HS football players charged with attempted rape in broom attack
Five Juanita High School football players accused of trying to rape a special needs student with a broom stick were charged in juvenile court on Friday with attempted rape.
komonews.com
Student leaves McGill over sports hazing ritual
Football player says he was assaulted with broom handle in initiation to team
www.theglobeandmail.com
A horrific hazing ritual ended his life, and his family's
Jordan Preavy had it all as a junior in high school after making the football team. But that dream quickly became a nightmare for the 16-year-old when he was sodomized during a hazing ritual. Witne…
nypost.com
Nothing to do with privilege, private schools or otherwise. This is an old stupid sadistic ritual.
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