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its funny that the guy who was recording it thought he was doing his friend a favor. capturing evidence of the police brutality:rolleyes:
All he did was provide proof that his friend was an idiot and that he should have been arrested.
 
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Apparently the cop asked him to identify himself as a student but he refused. Failure to identify yourself when asked by police is a crime in itself.
 
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Stupidity isn't a crime, but we can hope the kid's learned that it costs. Betcha he's too stupid to figure that out himself, and he's even more convinced cops are his enemies.

Exactly the same brainless kneejerkery that sees the uniform as always good, just coming down on the other side.

Gives great hope for the future.
 
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Thunderballs said:
Apparently the cop asked him to identify himself as a student but he refused. Failure to identify yourself when asked by police is a crime in itself.
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I think you will find that a citizen is required to give a proper account—e.g.: "My dog slipped out, that's why I'm on the street in my PJs at 2AM"—not necessarily to identify himself. And I do not think refusal to do so is a crime, just that it gives the police power to arrest—stop and hold you—until you do. Part of police acts not the Criminal Code.

However that's a police power on the public street. This was private property, laws of trespass were involved and I understand the officer was assigned to the school and trying to enforce them. It's up to the person challenged to establish their right to be on the property or suffer consequences.
 
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As someone said, you don't have to identify yourself to the police, but if you don't, they may hold you until they can figure out who you are.

I don't know the rules in the US but the right to remain silent would imply you do not have to answer any questions.
 
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this one happened on private property the cop was acting at the request of the property owner to ensure the safety of the property and the people there. This would I believe give the cop the right to question the identity of the person especially if the cop did not recognize him as a student. The person refused to identify himself and the cop then would hold him pending identification. It got out of hand apparantly resulting in resisting arrest and what ever else the authorities deem appropriate. If he is 18 the school will not be able to request the withdrawal of charges unless the police and crown agree, if he is under 18 the charges might be withdrawn by the crown as a misunderstanding.
 
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fuji said:
As someone said, you don't have to identify yourself to the police, but if you don't, they may hold you until they can figure out who you are.

I don't know the rules in the US but the right to remain silent would imply you do not have to answer any questions.
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You have the right to remain silent, once arrested on a charge. But on the public street you may be asked by police to account for yourself and you have a duty to respond. You do not have to identify yourself, although most people do so willingly—there's no random ,"papers please,"— just provide a reasonable and truthful explanation for what you're doing there. Once you have, they cannot detain you further without actually arresting you ('arrest' comes from arrêter, to stop), and for that they must have a viable charge in mind, because then you'll be in the system and have a right to counsel.

But all that's all beside the point in this case which was trespass. When challenged, as the kid was, it's up to you to prove you have a right to be on private property. If he wasn't going to, the kid shoulda just left.
 
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Alright time to go against the grain here and the "you kids get off my lawn" crowd, yes the guy was a punk who is absolutely lucky he lives in a democracy where cops just cant bash your head against the wall and then drag you away. Northern is a very good school, but all you need is a few losers like this who were given life and then "raised" by adult losers with no respect for authority or anyone else in general.

And please enlighten me as to when was Toronto this bastion of lawful paradise like citizens, you might wanna ask the Irish, the Jews or any other minority that wasnt Protestant and with a last name like Smith or Macdonald.
 
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Don't be surprised if this punk and his friend staged the whole thing. One guy deliberately provokes the cop and the other bum records it on his cell.
 
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Those relate mostly to traffic stops. If you are driving you absolutely have an obligation to identify yourself with a valid drivers license. But if you are NOT at the wheel of a motorized vehicle you do not have the obligation to be carrying any identification.
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OldJones already addressed this above.
 
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Identify the law the kid was breaking. Ya he was being an asshole, no charge for that
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When LE is in doubt, they usually charge someone with "mischief" or causing a "public disturbance". Apparenty, this jerk assaulted the officer so he will also be charged with "assault".
 
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Poonhunter, you sure love that N word don't you. I can smell your bigotry from here.


And like Scouser1 let me go against the grain a bit because it seems like some of you old fucks always forget what it's like to be 16 and think your invincible. Some points....

- Yes. He was stupid and acted like a kid.
- I've been arrest before, and when it happens you really don't believe it. You're saying to yourself, "no this isn't happening" and you resist a bit until you get over the shock. But when you think you've done nothing wrong, probably made it worse. Add his age and you get the video.
- Finally, HE'S A FUCKING KID. It's not the end of our society, or this school or the youth today. He's a fucking kid with a chip. Stop with the overreacting already.
 
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Some insight here

I hold a little bit of resentment towards Toronto Police, even though my uncle is a police officer in my hometown, because of an incident where i was arrested for giving a plain clothed officer the finger. In the globe story, it says the student was arrested for not identifying himself to the police officer, because he was loitering in the hallway. The guys a student at the school, and this cop is arresting him for not giving his name? That's fucked. He is also being charged with assaulting an officer while resisting arrest...anyone who has watched the video can tell the kid didnt assault him at all...he refused to be cuffed without being told what he was being arrested for, but i see no assault...the kid will get off guarenteed....

on a related note, when i was arrested and subsequently beat down by 3 plain clothed officers who never identified themselves, i was charged with assaulting an officer while resisting arrest, because one of the cops scratched himself on the pavement while trying to cuff me! Cops are pussies!
 
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topoon said:
I hold a little bit of resentment towards Toronto Police, even though my uncle is a police officer in my hometown, because of an incident where i was arrested for giving a plain clothed officer the finger. In the globe story, it says the student was arrested for not identifying himself to the police officer, because he was loitering in the hallway. The guys a student at the school, and this cop is arresting him for not giving his name? That's fucked. He is also being charged with assaulting an officer while resisting arrest...anyone who has watched the video can tell the kid didnt assault him at all...he refused to be cuffed without being told what he was being arrested for, but i see no assault...the kid will get off guarenteed....
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Read the cp24 story, the student attacked the police prior, it's not shown on the video. The video only shows what happened after the attack while the officer was arresting the student. Nothing wrong with asking the student for his name if the police officer was attacked.
 
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