Stronger gun laws is half the solution... the other half is curbing hollywood/games?

[Don]

A lot of talk on gun control. It's about time they start tightning the rules. But Jamie Foxx made another point:

http://www.examiner.com/article/jam...nd-kerry-washington-on-violence-film-industry

"We cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn't have a sort of influence. It does," Fox said in an interview.

I think he's right. Maybe I'm getting old but I can't watch these "action" movies any more. They are too violent. And so much gun violence. And it is the "hero" that is using them like mad too.

Of course Tarantino wants to bury his head like many in Hollywood:

Tarantino went on a bit of a tangent, explaining that he was tired of defending his films each time the nation was shocked by gun violence. He stated that “tragedies happen” and that blame should fall on those guilty of the crimes.

Honestly that is the same excuse that the pro-gun people say ("blame the criminal, not the gun").

And violent video games don't help either. I saw my nephew play one of the first person shooter games and it is fucking violent as hell with all these crazy guns. And you get bonus points for making a guys head explode with a shot. nasty.

Now I guess we are toeing a line here that makes me uncomfortable - censorship... but is it time?

 

[canada-man]

Canadians and Europeans have the same access to voilent movies. Japan's movies are more voilent and they don't have the same problems with mass shootings like the U.S.

 

[Don]

Canadians and Europeans have the same access to voilent movies. Japan's movies are more voilent and they don't have the same problems with mass shootings like the U.S.

What I have noticed is that other countries abroad have their violence in their movies but it does not have anywhere near the amount of gun violence. And one Korean director remarked about not only the use of guns but the glorification of the "anti-hero" in Hollywood.

 

[Rockslinger]

Canadians and Europeans have the same access to voilent movies. Japan's movies are more voilent and they don't have the same problems with mass shootings like the U.S.

I wish there is more female nudity in movies.:happy:

 

[afterhours]

I wish there is more female nudity in movies.:happy:

American economy seems to have always been driven by the frustrated sex-starved males. By way of comparison, in Russia or in Latin America you have more women than you can fuck and the economy is not going anywhere. So I guess when these same males go on a shooting spree (and it's never males who had access to pussy) it should simply be written off as price for economic success.

 

[wasnotmedammit]

better mental health interventions

The key to the solution right there in a nutshell.

 

[Don]

I guess that leaves no possibility of better mental health interventions as an option, eh?

Like what? Apparently he was getting good treatment... beyond what most can get (her divorce left her financially very solid where she did not have to work and can be with her child full time)

 

[Aardvark154]

Of course we then have First Amendment issues regarding video games.

 

[ooh-ya-more]

I remeber hearing that in WW2 alot of soldiers had trouble directly shooting and killing other soldiers. So the army did extensive training to condition its soldiers to kill almost as a second nature.

Today we are teaching kids right from preschool introducing them to violent behaviour. It has to have some effect. By the time their teenagers their numb to violent behaviour. Its all just part of the norm.

There is no going back.

 

[Rockslinger]

Apparently he was getting good treatment... beyond what most can get (her divorce left her financially very solid where she did not have to work and can be with her child full time)

Can't blame poverty and discrimination for this one.

 

[Rockslinger]

I remeber hearing that in WW2 alot of soldiers had trouble directly shooting and killing other soldiers.

Back in the good old days, when I was growing up in small town Ontario, many people had no problems killing living things (moose, deer, bears, foxes, coyotes, raccoons, coyotes, birds, squirrels, etc.) but never human beings. Now, all the animals are protected so some people are turning to killing other people.

BTW: The hunters in our little town didn't need a bloody semi-automatic or automatic rifle with 6,000 rounds to bring down game. All they needed was a single shot carbine. That is talent.

 

[rhuarc29]

I don't know...I still see a huge different between having easy access to violent viewing material and having easy access to a tool of death. I haven't seen a reliable study that says watching violent movies or playing violent video games makes an individual more violent. In fact, I've seen a few studies that say there's no correlation.

 

[Conway_Stewart]

I've seen studies linking violent behaviour to the viewing of violent movies/television. I would imagine the same is true for violent video games.

Nevertheless, I would agree also with the poster above who stated that access to violent media/entertainment seems fundamentally different than access to "tools of death."

I would support stricter gun control legislation. I'm not sure, though, about censoring movies/games in the same way as censorship can create other unintended problems.

Regarding movies/video games, my preferred approach would be public education around the problems with this kind of entertainment. My hope would be that citizens could learn to be more thoughtful about the media they consume and that these movies/games would simply become socially unacceptable to the point that the market for them became minimal.

 

[HEYHEY]

You can put a loaded handgun in the hands of 99.9% of the population and no one will die.

The other .01% however will break any law, regulation and will find a gun and kill someone with it regardless of whether the gun is legally or illegally obtained.

People need to come with terms and realize that you cannot bubble wrap the world and instead use logic and not emotion every time something like this happens.

What would everyone suggest if this kids mother was a cop and he got a hold of her guns that way? Disarm all cops? Carry batons?

 

[poorboy]

It still boils down to guns don't kill people. People kill people. Every household is Switzerland has at least one gun, but they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxOZ-fbe6M

 

[HEYHEY]

It still boils down to guns don't kill people. People kill people. Every household is Switzerland has at least one gun, but they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxOZ-fbe6M

ya but do they play grand theft auto 4??
lol

you forget how retarded the average person is until something like this happens

 

[fuji]

The US appears to be some kind of exception, and some people seem to be tempted to blame it on their gun policy. I think it's much more likely caused by the disparity between rich and poor, by the lingering effects of slavery and then discrimination against blacks, and so on.

If you exclude the US and look at other countries, comparing those with strong gun laws, to lax gun laws, it doesn't seem like gun policy makes much or any difference.

 

[Rockslinger]

then discrimination against blacks, and so on.

Unless one is an Orangeman, every ethnic group has suffered discrimination, but not every ethnic group has a high gun crime rate.

 

[onthebottom]

The ghost of Tipper Gore...

 

[fuji]

Unless one is an Orangeman, every ethnic group has suffered discrimination, but not every ethnic group has a high gun crime rate.

Which other ethnic groups were enslaved? Yes, it was hundreds of years ago, but I think the stigma has not fully worn off, and certainly the civil rights movement was explosively controversial within living memory. It is fair to say that blacks have suffered a style of discrimination that is somewhat different than what most other groups have faced.