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I read an article on CBC.ca this morning (it's no longer there; or at least I can't find it anymore) that stated Sirius has released its Canadian lineup to begin in January. At the very bottom of the article, it states that the Howard Stern Show is not on the schedule at this time.

This is very disappointing for me. That would pretty much be the driving force for me to go out and get Sirius. Now I won't.

However, I suspect that Sirius will put Stern on - just not right away as it draws too much heat in the approval process from the CRTC. I'm show it will show up eventually (in what form, I dunno), but it's disappointing that we won't be able to hear the first transitionary show on Sirius. :(
 

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well I guess they just lost a customer in me. Getting Howard Stern on Sirius was the main reason for me to get satellite radio. I guess u can still get the "hacked" version if I wanted too. ;)
 

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bkspoiler11 said:
well I guess they just lost a customer in me. Getting Howard Stern on Sirius was the main reason for me to get satellite radio. I guess u can still get the "hacked" version if I wanted too. ;)

I truly hope that Sirius Canada gets their shit together and offers Stern....
but in the meantime I`m going the US route. It is not that much more expensive and no CRTC interference...

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=99187
 

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I'm with you r&t. For anyone with insomnia - listen to 10 minutes of Stern and you'll have no problem catching some zzzzzzzz's.
 

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Pissed :mad:

I was so pissed when i saw that Stern was not going to be on CDN Sirius. I even contacted the US section of Sirius and asked if I could still get Stern if i bought the Radio and plan in the US but they said it would probably work if you were right beside the border but if you are about 50Km away it wouldnt work and you wouldnt pick up anything because the American satellite's will not be directed at Canada.

I e-mailed the CND Sirius and asked if they have plans for adding Stern but the only answer i got was that they are Launching the CDN service on December 1st.

So I e-mailed the Stern show and asked them if they know when/if Stern will be coming to CDN Sirius in the near futur. If Sirius wants CDN people to subscribe to their service than they should be adding him to the lineup very very soon.
 

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Hockey_MLnut said:
I was so pissed when i saw that Stern was not going to be on CDN Sirius. I even contacted the US section of Sirius and asked if I could still get Stern if i bought the Radio and plan in the US but they said it would probably work if you were right beside the border but if you are about 50Km away it wouldnt work and you wouldnt pick up anything because the American satellite's will not be directed at Canada.

I e-mailed the CND Sirius and asked if they have plans for adding Stern but the only answer i got was that they are Launching the CDN service on December 1st.

So I e-mailed the Stern show and asked them if they know when/if Stern will be coming to CDN Sirius in the near futur. If Sirius wants CDN people to subscribe to their service than they should be adding him to the lineup very very soon.

You mean we can't get the American feed? Are you sure about that?
 

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Tug&Rub said:
We can get their radio broadcast, we can get their television stations, We can also get their satellite for TV. How is it that we can't receive their satellite radio?

Im just reporting back what I was told. It doesnt make sence to me ether I used to have Direct TV satellite thats why I thought we could also get their Satellite Radio. I must call back on Monday and ask a couple more people.
 
I beleive Satellite Radio is on very high frequencies which is why attenna's are so small, don't need a dish like for TV. At these higher frequencies the signal is I believe far more directional. So it makes sense it is "beemed" to the U.S., and if you too far from the beem not close to the border you will not get. You lose signal strenth rapidly on the edge of the beam pattern.

From my old days as a "ham" WA0JKT but long before these frequences were used.
 

zzap

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Digital Audio Radio Satellite (DARS) broadcasts in the S band around 2.3 GHz, currently used by Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio.

The VERY same US satellites are being used for the Canadian CRTC 'sterilized version' of the Sirius Satellite Radio service. It's all the same system the US Sirius is using,... they just control what channels you get... this is done by a smart chip in the radio it's self that controls your subscription, much like a smart card in a Direct TV receiver. I'm sure there will be so called 'hacks' to Canadian Sirius Satellite Radio's to turn on the Stern show.

For now just go to the US and get a US based subscription and you'll be all set to get the Stern show up here with no problem.
 

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zzap said:
Digital Audio Radio Satellite (DARS) broadcasts in the S band around 2.3 GHz, currently used by Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio.

The VERY same US satellites are being used for the Canadian CRTC 'sterilized version' of the Sirius Satellite Radio service. It's all the same system the US Sirius is using,... they just control what channels you get... this is done by a smart chip in the radio it's self that controls your subscription, much like a smart card in a Direct TV receiver. I'm sure there will be so called 'hacks' to Canadian Sirius Satellite Radio's to turn on the Stern show.

For now just go to the US and get a US based subscription and you'll be all set to get the Stern show up here with no problem.

Alright this is good news. This is also what I first thought. I wonder if the people at Sirius were just saying we wouldnt get it because they didnt know.
 

zzap

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Dave in Phoenix said:
I beleive Satellite Radio is on very high frequencies which is why attenna's are so small, don't need a dish like for TV. At these higher frequencies the signal is I believe far more directional. So it makes sense it is "beemed" to the U.S., and if you too far from the beem not close to the border you will not get. You lose signal strenth rapidly on the edge of the beam pattern.

From my old days as a "ham" WA0JKT but long before these frequences were used.
It's not that high... 2.3 GHz is just below the 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi band used for your computers wireless connection. I've read reports of people as far north as Yellow Knife receiving the US Sirius Satellite Radio service.
 

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I have a Sirius radio (US based). Works just fine in southern ontario. Go look where we are compared to, say, North Dakota... you can drive a long way north before it will stop working (I know people north of kenora it works fine for).

Sirius is one of the best things I have ever got. I drive a lot... and used to hate it. Now, no more boredom... there is always something to listen to.
 

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Hockey_MLnut said:
I was so pissed when i saw that Stern was not going to be on CDN Sirius. I even contacted the US section of Sirius and asked if I could still get Stern if i bought the Radio and plan in the US but they said it would probably work if you were right beside the border but if you are about 50Km away it wouldnt work and you wouldnt pick up anything because the American satellite's will not be directed at Canada.

I e-mailed the CND Sirius and asked if they have plans for adding Stern but the only answer i got was that they are Launching the CDN service on December 1st.

So I e-mailed the Stern show and asked them if they know when/if Stern will be coming to CDN Sirius in the near futur. If Sirius wants CDN people to subscribe to their service than they should be adding him to the lineup very very soon.
Hockey_MLnut, if you live in Scarborough, don't worry about it. You'll get the Sirius US signal. I live downtown Toronto and I have the service. I'm listening to Stern 100 now. They have programming broadcasting, gearing up for his January debut. No one from Sirius US will actually come out and tell you to get their service because Sirius Canada will come down on them. I've been enjoying Sirius radio since April. All you need is a U.S. address to register your radio to receive the signal. You can purchase the radio on EBay like I did (or any online store).

I brought my radio to the Sandbanks in Picton and didn't have any trouble getting their signal there either. Now if you're from Timmins or North Bay, maybe you'll have trouble, but in Metro Toronto, you have no worries. You may have to adjust the antenna a few times, but you'll get the signal. I bought the service early to get Howard, but I love the music channels as well. Particularly, The Wave channel, which is a throwback to the old CFNY electronica days.
 
zzap said:
It's not that high... 2.3 GHz is just below the 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi band used for your computers wireless connection..
Actually 2 gigs is very high and why antennas are so small vs:

Broadcast TV is 53 to 88 MHz chan 2-6 and go up from there but well below 1Ghz

FM radio is 88Mhz to 108Mhz

AM is 535kz to 1.7Khz

K=1000
M- 1 million
G = I gig =1000M
 

zzap

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One big misconception here seems to be that it's believed that the Sirius Satellite is in a fixed orbit over just the USA. This is not true at all and it may come as a surprise to some but there 3 satellites, yes there are 3 of them, are constantly moving using elliptical orbits not geostationary. There 3 satellites spend much of there time in an obit over Canada.

Now to get "Sirius" about satellites... here you go!


There are two basic ways to cover a given area with satellites. The traditional approach and the one used by most space communications systems is to put up a geostationary satellite over the desired area. Geostationary satellites are put into a circular orbit around the equator about 22,300 miles (yes, miles) from earth. In such an orbit, the satellite speed matches the rotation of the earth, so the satellite is always overhead to any observer or station on earth. Sirius' competitor XM Radio uses this system with two satellites providing full U.S. coverage. The equatorial geostationary orbit is unique and currently jammed with satellites side by side only a few degrees apart. As with the frequency spectrum, we're simply running out of space.

Sirius takes the other approach of using elliptical orbits. The company has three elliptical orbits over the U.S. They are geosynchronous, meaning that their rotational period is 24 hours just like a geostationary satellite. The satellite apogee (high point) is 29,200 miles over Canada and the perigee (low point) is 14,900 miles. The orbits function in a way where two satellites are over the U.S. at all times. The satellites are spaced eight hours from one another, and each satellite is over the U.S. for about 16 hours. All three transmit the same data.

The elliptical orbits offer the advantage of a very high angle of coverage. With a conventional geostationary satellite, the line-of-sight path runs at a very low angle of elevation above the equator (about 30?) to the south from the U.S. Because microwave transmissions are direct-line-of-sight, signals from geostationary satellites encounter many more obstacles like trees and buildings. With elliptical orbits, the satellites are more directly overhead (always above 60?) and thereby avoid most earth obstacles. Yet at such distances, the attenuation from satellite to earth is enormous. Typical signal strength in the U.S. is −102 dBi, meaning that a hot receiver is needed.

All communications satellites are space-based repeaters that receive an uplinked signal, which is translated to another frequency and retransmitted back to earth. In the Sirius system, the digitized music and talk is uplinked from studios in New York City and retransmitted back to earth.

Mike Ledford, VP of engineering for Sirius, explains the system. Sirius is assigned 12.5 MHz of spectrum from 2320 to 2332.5 MHz centered on 2.32625 GHz (2326.25 MHz). This spectrum is roughly divided into thirds. One third is assigned to transmitting satellite #1 (TDM1) centered at 2322.3 MHz, one third to the terrestrial repeater network (more on that later) centered on 2326.25 MHz, and one third to transmitting satellite #2 (TDM2) centered on 2330.2 MHz. This gives each satellite roughly 4-MHz bandwidth.

The satellites use quadrature phase shift keying (QPSK) modulation. It's the most common for satellite communications, due to its robustness against signal degradation over long distances with minimal interference.

The receiver can receive and decode one, two, or all three signals simultaneously and recombine them internally into one signal. The receiver also accounts for phase delays (the satellites have large and constantly changing distances from the receivers), frequency shift (Doppler effects), and absolute time delays. (TDM1 is broadcast with an approximate 4-second delay from TDM2 and buffered internally, a Sirius patent.) Also, it accommodates a huge dynamic range. The receiver must work with a range of signals that are separated by more than a billion times the power of one another.

part 2 below....
 

zzap

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part 2...

Ledford goes on to say that the data rate is approximately 7.5 Mbits/s. After accounting for overhead, including forward-error-correction coding (Reed-Solomon outer code and convolutional inner code) and encryption, we're left with an audio bit stream of about 4.4 Mbits/s. The bits stream may be broken down into as many substreams as required by the commercial system. At the moment, the 4.4-Mbit/s bit stream has 100 channels, averaging 44 kHz each. But, each bit stream may be assigned its own unique bandwidth.

Talk channels, which require far less bandwidth than music, may be assigned a 24-kHz bandwidth and music channels may be assigned a 64k bandwidth. It can be any combination Sirius decides as long as it doesn't exceed the total bandwidth of around 4.4 Mbits/s. When combined with modern Perceptual Audio Codecs (PACs) and statistical multiplexing, the sound quality that the average listener perceives is far superior to today's FM radio stations. When combined with a further level of tuning, which considers the genre and fidelity of the original recordings (i.e., music recorded from albums made in the '50s or earlier hardly need the bandwidth of a modern classical recording), Sirius can offer a truly delightful experience.

Sirius uses the Space Systems/Loral model 1300 satellite (Fig. 1). This 8300+ pound device costs roughly $100 million a pop and is launched into orbit by a three-stage Russian-built Proton rocket from Kazakhstan, also at about $100 million a shot, not including insurance. With three satellites in orbit and one spare on the ground for emergencies, Sirius has invested over $700 million on just the space segment of the system, not including ground stations.
 

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aristocrat909 said:
Hockey_MLnut, if you live in Scarborough, don't worry about it. You'll get the Sirius US signal. I live downtown Toronto and I have the service. I'm listening to Stern 100 now. They have programming broadcasting, gearing up for his January debut. No one from Sirius US will actually come out and tell you to get their service because Sirius Canada will come down on them. I've been enjoying Sirius radio since April. All you need is a U.S. address to register your radio to receive the signal. You can purchase the radio on EBay like I did (or any online store).

I brought my radio to the Sandbanks in Picton and didn't have any trouble getting their signal there either. Now if you're from Timmins or North Bay, maybe you'll have trouble, but in Metro Toronto, you have no worries. You may have to adjust the antenna a few times, but you'll get the signal. I bought the service early to get Howard, but I love the music channels as well. Particularly, The Wave channel, which is a throwback to the old CFNY electronica days.

Sounds good to me. Ive got an Aunt in NYC so no prob with the address there. Thanks to everyones info here looks like im Stern Bound.
 
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