Stealing Wireless Access

CapitalGuy

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Can someone tell if you are leeching onto their wifi (ie. from inside the same building on an unprotected connection)? I've heard it's illegal - but is it really? How do they find out if you are using their access and what are the consequences? Finally, does LE actually trace/enforce this?

Lotsa questions, I know, but I'll be it's of interest to a few people out there. Thanks kindly.
 
PHNINE said:
I believe they could potentially log your IP, and find you that way.

Hmmm. But if you're on a laptop? Could they actually pinpoint you, or would they have to guess where the wiretap was coming from?
 
From a laptop, kinda hard to do. but I'm sure it's possible.
From a desktop, ISP trace.
People do it all the time, but risk getting caught.
If they don't have it secure, you think they'll catch on to someone being on their wireless network? ;)
 
Depending on what the network management tools being used, they certainly can find you regardless of your hardware (laptop, desktop, PDA).

When you connect to the WiFi, you need to connect to their DHCP server to get an IP address. Typically the DHCP lease is 2 days and the DHCP server logs the MAC address that requested the address. That address is unique to the NIC. In other cases, the computer name is also logged. I have a client that polls their internal network every 10 minutes and keeps an up to date list of the devices attached. You will show up in that list.

Also, if you are brilliant enough to connect to a WiFi, you probably have file/print sharing turned on your machine (whether you allow anything to be shared). Chances are, your Group Name is not the same as who you are connecting to and your group will now show up in their "My Network" list.

Is it legal? Is it legal to steal a car if they left the keys in it and unlocked? It is sort of the same thing.
 
They would only care/notice if you committed some sort of computer crime or were using crazy bandwidth....and by that time if you were, youd proabably have split by then...
 
I can remember only one instance where a guy was arrested and charged for stealing a wireless signal, he was parked in front of a house in his car using his laptop, but the only reason why he was arrested was cuz he was surfing child porn.

Cops couldn't care less if you were using someone else's wireless signal.
 
I am on an unprotected wireless business network now!!

If someone was careless enough to leave their network open.. how could it be stealing?

I have 4-5 different unprotected networks available in my neighbourhood (I have a larger than normal antenna).
 
Papi Chulo said:
I am on an unprotected wireless business network now!!

If someone was careless enough to leave their network open.. how could it be stealing?

I have 4-5 different unprotected networks available in my neighbourhood (I have a larger than normal antenna).

Seriously, bareback wireless exposes you to many risks! :D
 
Papi Chulo said:
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If someone was careless enough to leave their network open.. how could it be stealing?

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Okay, leave your car unlocked with the keys in it. When someone takes it and they say "If someone was careless enough to leave the car unlocked with the keys in it... how can it be stealing?" How can you argue with that?
 
Larry_Fyne said:
Okay, leave your car unlocked with the keys in it. When someone takes it and they say "If someone was careless enough to leave the car unlocked with the keys in it... how can it be stealing?" How can you argue with that?

Try saying that to your insurance, youd be surprised what they say... ;)
 
Gawd said:
I can remember only one instance where a guy was arrested and charged for stealing a wireless signal, he was parked in front of a house in his car using his laptop, but the only reason why he was arrested was cuz he was surfing child porn...

He was charged with "Theft of Communications" as well. The cops caught him because he was parked facing the wrong direction. When they went to talk to him, he didn't have any pants on.....


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/26/wifi_hacker_caught_downloading_child/

Wi-Fi hacker caught downloading child porn
In his car, pants down

By John Leyden

So you catch a man driving with his pants around his ankles who's paying more attention to the child porn video running on his laptop than the road ahead. What do you charge him with?

That's the dilemma Toronto traffic police found themselves in when they arrested a man driving the wrong way down a residential one-way street.

Walter Nowakowski, 33, of Delhi near Toronto, Canada, was watching child porn images downloaded using a hijacked wireless Internet connection when he was pulled over by the police in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Following his arrest, Police searched Nowakowski's home when they recovered 10 computers along with thousands of CDs and floppy disks suspected to contain child porn images.

Nowakowski faces numerous charges, including possession of child pornography and theft of communications, the Winipeg Sun reports. What, no driving offences?
 
Wireless uses radio. Radio is PUBLIC access in Canada, governed by the CRTC.

Stealing information in transit is illegal, but the use of the network itself is not.
 
Guilty till proven innocent

Compromised said:
Wireless uses radio. Radio is PUBLIC access in Canada, governed by the CRTC. Stealing information in transit is illegal, but the use of the network itself is not.

"Theft of Communications" is an federal offense under the Canadian Criminal Code (s.326). It's interesting to note that the accussed must prove he had permission to use the facility.

(Btw, I use other people's open access points all the time and I've never thought of it as being illegal)

http://www.robic.com/publications/Pdf/222-03LPG.pdf#search="s.326 theft of telecommunications"

CANADIAN CRIMINAL PROVISIONS DEALING WITH TELECOMMUNICATIONS
by Louis-Pierre Gravelle*

The Canadian Criminal Code (R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46) establishes a number of specific offences dealing with telecommunications, notably theft of a telecommunication service (s. 326) and possession of device to obtain telecommunication facility or service (s.327). Other criminal provisions dealing with the unauthorized use of a computer and invasion of privacy are beyond the scope of the present article.

For the purposes of these two sections, «telecommunication» is defined as any transmission, emission or reception of signs, signals, writing, images or sounds or intelligence of any nature by wire, radio, visual, or other electromagnetic system, which encompasses in exhaustive manner any form of communication at a distance (s. 326(2)).

Theft of telecommunication service will occur when any person, in a fraudulent or malicious manner, or without colour of right, (1) uses, consumes or abstracts electricity or gas, or causes it to be wasted or diverted; or (2) uses any telecommunication facility or obtains any telecommunication service. Accordingly, the application of this section will be triggered by the mere fact of falling within one of the circumstances stated above. The state of mind of the accused is unimportant, but the act must be fraudulent, malicious or without colour of right. The section imposes a reversal of the burden of proof, so that it is up to the defendant to prove that he or she has colour of right to the use of the telecommunication service, or that the use is not fraudulent or malicious. It is important to note that the conditions with respect to the taking or conversion are not cumulative, but rather are in the alternative, so that the act does not have to be fraudulent, malicious and without colour of right; only one of these is necessary.
 
Papi Chulo said:
I am on an unprotected wireless business network now!!

If someone was careless enough to leave their network open.. how could it be stealing?

I have 4-5 different unprotected networks available in my neighbourhood (I have a larger than normal antenna).
It seems every post you make points to you being a cheap sod. LOL
Really, you can't pay for your own connection? You had to buy a "larger than average" antenna so you can piggyback on those who pay? NICE.
Pat yourself on the back bud. :rolleyes:

Is it stealing? I think so. However, I think anyone who uses wireless for no other reason than it being cool is an idiot. I don't want to bother with the passwording and all that jazz so I don't bother with wireless. For the record, if I had wireless, you can bet your ass that nobody (unless they are a genius) would be stealing my bandwidth. And yes, it is stealing because you are stealing the actualy customers download/upload speed and limits.

tsk tsk on you theives. LOL In the US and UK, I believe they have public hotspots that allows people to log in, legally.
 
it's a two way street

if someone is "dumb" enough to let their wireless network be unsecure, then conceivably you can also be "dumb" enough to use it, and let your personal information/passwords go through their router, which can possibly be picked up and/or logged by them

but a question, how can they physically find you?
even if they get your computer name, MAC address, whatever, they (just a guy with a router) can't hunt you down, can they?
 
It's virtually impossible to hunt someone down who's piggybacking on wireless.

The only reason the cops would care is if you were doing something else illegal through that connection.
 
Consilio said:
It's virtually impossible to hunt someone down who's piggybacking on wireless.

That's what I thought too. Technically, if someone were to start tracing, wouldn't the trail lead back to the registered user, and thus not the hacker??