std testing

[explicit1313]

How do we know if agencies get their girls tested on a regular basis?

reason I ask this is because, I have had the unfortunate indication from several sp's that when they were hired - the agency never checked.

And it's funny. How can you check? well, when you get an HIV test, you can actually ask for a confirmation or copy of your results.

Ok, here's the deal. Its against the law in Ontario to not disclose HIV status if positive to a sexual partner. ANd, you cannot play innocent either - the latest adjustments to that piece of legislature does not allow it.

----How std health safety is dealt with in T.O----

Toronto Public Health (TPH) for example, will contact all those that may have come in contact with an STD case - anonymously to alert them to get checked. So, if someone was pos for gonnorhea or chlamydia,
TPH will go ahead and call those that came in contact with that person and say - "someone you were in contact with was pos for .... " "please get tested..."

Ok, so how do the agencies that we pay $250+ maintain the safety of their cleints? Do they call all those that were in contact with an SP and let them know to get tested??

I feel they should do that. STD's happen. its the nature of the business...(but hopefully not frequently) Nonetheless, if an sp got something - all the people she was in contact with SHOULD be informed and get checked!

Perhaps agencies feel like they may lose business this way by scaring their clients...

WHat do you all think?

Doesn't it make more sense to know and get checked and continue hobbying with some peace of mind?

I suppose there are several things being addressed in this post. So here's to clarify.


1) How are agencies taking precautions?
2) How are hobbyists being informed when there's a situation?
3) Do people know about the newest ajustments to HIV disclosure legislature in Ontario?
4) Can we hobby in peace and safety?
5) has a hobbyist on this forum EVER gotten a call from an Agency about unfortunate sti contact?

6) and finally, no one in the history of TERB has ever gotten an sti or ever been called about an sti contact ..right? cause this is the most safe kind sex you can get there...

seriously...

Ultimately, HIV is the worst of the worst but contact with other sti's should NOT go uninformed

How can we make this happen?


And how long will it take for this post to come down?? cause its good discussion...

 

[gltrotter]

no comments

 

[hibachi]

It's a reasonable concern. And as far as I know, lots of legit agencies will ask gals who work for them to do routine checks. And most gals who care about themselves also check this routinely.

However, even if the gal's negative yesterday, she could still get it from a guy who she's seeing today. And if you see her after this guy, then it's likely that you could also get it. So that's the risk that you've got to take when you decide to hobby and no one could prevent that.

And about the getting informed by the agencies, technically it could happen. But even if the agencies are not worrying about losing business, lot of ppl still wouldn't want agencies to keep their contact info afterwards and many agencies would also promise not to do so in order to keep it as discreet as possible.


HIV could be a serious concern but as long as you don't do BBFS or BB GREEK, most likely you're safe from HIV. Even oral wasn't a major way of spreading HIV unless there are litres of saliva exchanged in a short period of time.

There is no guaranteed safety when you decide to have sexual intercourse. When you go out and pick up random gals, or even sleep with one gal you're dating, how can you make sure it's safe? Do they do the tests regularly? Do you ask first? At least SPs have more concern about this issue and are more aware of getting tested regularly, and 99% of the time you're not doing BBFS or even BBBJ which might not be the case when you're with non SPs.

The best you can do is to ask the agency when you're booking, or even ask the gal when you two meet. That way you could get the most updated information. What else can you do? Ask her to show you a copy of her most recent test? And like I've said earlier, as long as there is one positive guy between her test day and you arrival, then you're exposed to it. In the meantime, getting yourself checked regularly is also a proactive way. Waiting for someone else calling you to inform the unfortunate news is just too late and useless, and it doesn't help at all on preventing it from happening.

 

[seoul.otaku]

very important topic in my opinion ...

not sure how you would regulate it, it'll be really tricky, you almost need a third party testers/regulators,

right now I'm supposing we're going on an honor system ... that the girls are knowingly clean and that it is in the best interest of the establishment to run a clean business - and would take the necessary precaution to do so,

great thing about the internet society is that words do get around quickly

 

[explicit1313]

It's a reasonable concern. And as far as I know, lots of legit agencies will ask gals who work for them to do routine checks. And most gals who care about themselves also check this routinely.

However, even if the gal's negative yesterday, she could still get it from a guy who she's seeing today. And if you see her after this guy, then it's likely that you could also get it. So that's the risk that you've got to take when you decide to hobby and no one could prevent that.

-- yes of course! But when one person gets pos - and other's that's dont' know are informed, then that's something! and its better than blindly screwing...



And about the getting informed by the agencies, technically it could happen. But even if the agencies are not worrying about losing business, lot of ppl still wouldn't want agencies to keep their contact info afterwards and many agencies would also promise not to do so in order to keep it as discreet as possible.


HIV could be a serious concern but as long as you don't do BBFS or BB GREEK, most likely you're safe from HIV. Even oral wasn't a major way of spreading HIV unless there are litres of saliva exchanged in a short period of time.

-- you will need a cut in a person's mouth to transfer the virus. to some degree saliva seems to negate its transferability.

There is no guaranteed safety when you decide to have sexual intercourse. When you go out and pick up random gals, or even sleep with one gal you're dating, how can you make sure it's safe? Do they do the tests regularly? Do you ask first? At least SPs have more concern about this issue and are more aware of getting tested regularly, and 99% of the time you're not doing BBFS or even BBBJ which might not be the case when you're with non SPs.

The best you can do is to ask the agency when you're booking, or even ask the gal when you two meet. That way you could get the most updated information. What else can you do? Ask her to show you a copy of her most recent test? And like I've said earlier, as long as there is one positive guy between her test day and you arrival, then you're exposed to it. In the meantime, getting yourself checked regularly is also a proactive way. Waiting for someone else calling you to inform the unfortunate news is just too late and useless, and it doesn't help at all on preventing it from happening.

-- Agreed! But again, if I saw someone today, and it turned out that this person was pos for chlamydia, then was taken off the roster, I would like to be informed that I should get tested. see lets say I was not going back to hobby for another week, in that week, maybe i met an ex-gf and got cozy... I would want to know that I the sp I slept with last night was clean, and if not, I would like some notification!

It's not going to make me hobby less...shit happens, information is priceless and it helps us make the right decisions in the right time.

 

[Young_City]

I was also curious. I'm sure the majority of SPs get checked, even if they aren't required to do so by the agency.

hibachi makes a great point though, and it's been something that's always... well, it's always bugged me.

One of my biggest concerns would be HPV. It's not hard to get infected, even when using a condom (of course it drastically decreases the odds), and the majority of the time women won't even know they have it unless they specifically get tested for it.

My only question is this: do most men worry about this when they sleep with someone they just met? I know of one woman who got HPV from her boyfriend in university and he'd only been with two other women before her.

 

[hibachi]

-- Agreed! But again, if I saw someone today, and it turned out that this person was pos for chlamydia, then was taken off the roster, I would like to be informed that I should get tested. see lets say I was not going back to hobby for another week, in that week, maybe i met an ex-gf and got cozy... I would want to know that I the sp I slept with last night was clean, and if not, I would like some notification!

It's not going to make me hobby less...shit happens, information is priceless and it helps us make the right decisions in the right time.

Well, in this case you'd hope that she's getting her test right after meeting with you. Even so, no one could guarantee contacting you. The last thing lots of ppl want is to get calls from agencies or SPs afterwards which means they keep your contact info. And they wouldn't know if you're available of getting contacted by them. Moreover, a gal who tests positive might also wanna keep it low profile and stays away from agencies or clients for a while until she's cured and agencies wouldn't know if the gal's not talking.

So your suggestion of getting informed "in time" is not very practical. She might just tested herself 3 days before meeting you, or going to do the test next week, or tomorrow, or next month. You can't control that part. The best way is to go test yourself and not to have any sexual intercourse until the you get the result. Can you manage that?

The right decision is to use protection and getting tested before and after.

 

[explicit1313]

if I was getting that many calls, I'd really wonder about safety in the profession.

thing is, there are many ways around the calling issue. there could be a forum on the agencies websites with schedules showing which girls were tested, when, any positives, etc....and that could be forum to which you get access once you say to visit an agency-so you get some post of passcode.

to add to safety, I'd go so far to say that agencies should make sure all there ladies have or are in the process of completing their hpv vaccine series

 

[james t kirk]

How do we know if agencies get their girls tested on a regular basis?

reason I ask this is because, I have had the unfortunate indication from several sp's that when they were hired - the agency never checked.

And it's funny. How can you check? well, when you get an HIV test, you can actually ask for a confirmation or copy of your results.

Ok, here's the deal. Its against the law in Ontario to not disclose HIV status if positive to a sexual partner. ANd, you cannot play innocent either - the latest adjustments to that piece of legislature does not allow it.

----How std health safety is dealt with in T.O----

Toronto Public Health (TPH) for example, will contact all those that may have come in contact with an STD case - anonymously to alert them to get checked. So, if someone was pos for gonnorhea or chlamydia,
TPH will go ahead and call those that came in contact with that person and say - "someone you were in contact with was pos for .... " "please get tested..."

Ok, so how do the agencies that we pay $250+ maintain the safety of their cleints? Do they call all those that were in contact with an SP and let them know to get tested??

I feel they should do that. STD's happen. its the nature of the business...(but hopefully not frequently) Nonetheless, if an sp got something - all the people she was in contact with SHOULD be informed and get checked!

Perhaps agencies feel like they may lose business this way by scaring their clients...

WHat do you all think?

Doesn't it make more sense to know and get checked and continue hobbying with some peace of mind?

I suppose there are several things being addressed in this post. So here's to clarify.


1) How are agencies taking precautions?
2) How are hobbyists being informed when there's a situation?
3) Do people know about the newest ajustments to HIV disclosure legislature in Ontario?
4) Can we hobby in peace and safety?
5) has a hobbyist on this forum EVER gotten a call from an Agency about unfortunate sti contact?

6) and finally, no one in the history of TERB has ever gotten an sti or ever been called about an sti contact ..right? cause this is the most safe kind sex you can get there...

seriously...

Ultimately, HIV is the worst of the worst but contact with other sti's should NOT go uninformed

How can we make this happen?


And how long will it take for this post to come down?? cause its good discussion...

You need to find another hobby.

 

[james t kirk]

I was also curious. I'm sure the majority of SPs get checked, even if they aren't required to do so by the agency.

hibachi makes a great point though, and it's been something that's always... well, it's always bugged me.

One of my biggest concerns would be HPV. It's not hard to get infected, even when using a condom (of course it drastically decreases the odds), and the majority of the time women won't even know they have it unless they specifically get tested for it.

My only question is this: do most men worry about this when they sleep with someone they just met? I know of one woman who got HPV from her boyfriend in university and he'd only been with two other women before her.

You do realize that 80 pecent of women carry the HPV virus right?

Just google, "80 percent of women" and before you even finish typing, google with complete your thought with "are infected with hpv"

Odds are you're already a carrier.

 

[mrsCALoki]

if I was getting that many calls, I'd really wonder about safety in the profession.

thing is, there are many ways around the calling issue. there could be a forum on the agencies websites with schedules showing which girls were tested, when, any positives, etc....and that could be forum to which you get access once you say to visit an agency-so you get some post of passcode.

to add to safety, I'd go so far to say that agencies should make sure all there ladies have or are in the process of completing their hpv vaccine series

I find it amazing clients think the way they do.

At best the entire business is "grey area" until the supreme court rules and regulations are created.

I do not know about Toronto, but I do know that in some areas the instant the agencies had a policy they become legally responsible for a boat load of stuff.

It recently came up because I wanted a diving board. Loki had concerns of people using it in an unsafe manner. I though WTF we will put up a sign saying "Do not whack your head using the board". I got a long lecture about "attractive nuisances" etc. Long story made short, The moment you recognize a danger either by signs or policy you standard of care goes way up.

Why would any agency want to take on that mess? Why would you assume that SPs get frequent testing? Of course many could be doing it, but how can you assume it?

Men are funny. Clients are even funnier.

 

[kohan]

This a great topic to bring up. Where are the agencies and/or indies to comment on this?

How do we know if agencies get their girls tested on a regular basis?

reason I ask this is because, I have had the unfortunate indication from several sp's that when they were hired - the agency never checked.

And it's funny. How can you check? well, when you get an HIV test, you can actually ask for a confirmation or copy of your results.

Ok, here's the deal. Its against the law in Ontario to not disclose HIV status if positive to a sexual partner. ANd, you cannot play innocent either - the latest adjustments to that piece of legislature does not allow it.

----How std health safety is dealt with in T.O----

Toronto Public Health (TPH) for example, will contact all those that may have come in contact with an STD case - anonymously to alert them to get checked. So, if someone was pos for gonnorhea or chlamydia,
TPH will go ahead and call those that came in contact with that person and say - "someone you were in contact with was pos for .... " "please get tested..."

Ok, so how do the agencies that we pay $250+ maintain the safety of their cleints? Do they call all those that were in contact with an SP and let them know to get tested??

I feel they should do that. STD's happen. its the nature of the business...(but hopefully not frequently) Nonetheless, if an sp got something - all the people she was in contact with SHOULD be informed and get checked!

Perhaps agencies feel like they may lose business this way by scaring their clients...

WHat do you all think?

Doesn't it make more sense to know and get checked and continue hobbying with some peace of mind?

I suppose there are several things being addressed in this post. So here's to clarify.


1) How are agencies taking precautions?
2) How are hobbyists being informed when there's a situation?
3) Do people know about the newest ajustments to HIV disclosure legislature in Ontario?
4) Can we hobby in peace and safety?
5) has a hobbyist on this forum EVER gotten a call from an Agency about unfortunate sti contact?

6) and finally, no one in the history of TERB has ever gotten an sti or ever been called about an sti contact ..right? cause this is the most safe kind sex you can get there...

seriously...

Ultimately, HIV is the worst of the worst but contact with other sti's should NOT go uninformed

How can we make this happen?


And how long will it take for this post to come down?? cause its good discussion...

 

[mrsCALoki]

You do realize that 80 pecent of women carry the HPV virus right?

Just google, "80 percent of women" and before you even finish typing, google with complete your thought with "are infected with hpv"

Odds are you're already a carrier.

LOL

Well sort of.

My search engine had "fake orgasm" ahead of infected with hpv.

And the actual data is more like "80% of sexually active people will have been infected by at least one HPV"

I remember reading something like 20 million in US are infected at any given time. Less than 20%.

The problem is that the lay-press and well meaning laypeople just do not seem to get the over all picture.

HPV can kill. But unlike Herpes it does not hide in your body for ever.

Think of HPV as a very persistent flu with mild symptoms but a huge down side. Like the flu virus it is not a single disease. Like the flu virus vaccines the HPV vacines only target some of the 40+ HPVs.

So far so good?

Now I would guess way over 99% of people have been infected with the flu by the time they reach 60. Just like 80% have been infected by an HPV.

Most of those people drove off the virus in their body. Flu in weeks or months, HPV in years. (I did say it was persistent.)

So is it serious? Yes. Vaccination could prevent over 20,000 cancers a year.

Is a woman's health issue? Not really. Men are getting oral type cancers from it more and more often. Soon more men will have HPV linked cancers than woman.

Is it curable? Pretty much no. It has to run its course like a cold. (Not everyone gets cancer etc, just like not everyone gets projectile vomit from the flu.

Should I get the vaccine? well yes of course.

Am I already a carrier? Odds are no for a typical man. Odds go up based on how many different partners you have in a year.


Hope that helps. If you are concerned, ho see a Doctor

Never take medical advice from a faceless cyber person.

 

[Tdot'sFinest]

You can probably bet the house that an agency that says, "First time here in Toronto. Just arrive from C___a. " They are probably a lot more relaxed on having their ladies tested.

This is usually my biggest concern.

 

[freestuff]

You need to find another hobby.

+1.

Just assume no one is getting tested and then decide if the reward is worth the risk.

 

[hibachi]

if I was getting that many calls, I'd really wonder about safety in the profession.

thing is, there are many ways around the calling issue. there could be a forum on the agencies websites with schedules showing which girls were tested, when, any positives, etc....and that could be forum to which you get access once you say to visit an agency-so you get some post of passcode.

to add to safety, I'd go so far to say that agencies should make sure all there ladies have or are in the process of completing their hpv vaccine series

Alright, I would stop the discussion at this point after seeing this post.

Seriously, let's be a little bit more realistic. Why would any agency start a forum and post their gals' test info? By the end of the day, they don't work for you. The clients could be regulars, could be tourists, or could be someone who just want a one time fun. It's not like everyone bother to check back on the "forum". Lots of clients just see their number and call them. Not all clients are terbies. If they post one gal's positive, she's pretty much done for the business even she gets cured later. And the agency's also likely to be out of the business.

When you buy a piece of contaminated steak from the food market, do they call you? It's always the customers who see symptoms make the call. Then why do you think the escort agencies would start a "forum" to put themselves out of the business? In this business, nobody knows whom you could get infected from or when you got it. You just need to protect yourself, that's it.

There was a topic like this before and one SP responded very well, "you should always assume that the sex partner has it". All you decisions and solutions should be made based on that, end of story.

 

[Toronto.Vip]

Tip of the day :thumb:

2 TIPS on how to avoid getting an STI from agencies:

1) Always use protection.
2) Save BBBJ and kissing the kitty for personal play with serious partners only.

Think about it... if a girl is willing to do the above mentioned with you... odds are she is definitely doing it with all the other Joe Blows.