SP's giving out personal #'s

[alexmst]

If she wants a personal relationship with you she will cut out the business angles completely.

Yes, I agree. That's what I meant - if she gives you her personal number it is because you're not booking her time anymore. If you get her biz number, it means you are a good client and are still booking her time.

Bad client = tells agency she doesn't want to see you

average client (most fall here) = call the agency to book her

good client = gives you her biz cell phone # (the one the agency calls her on)

very good client = returns your calls promptly

Great client = will see you off the clock sometimes.

More than a client = gives you her personal number, doesn't see you for paid bookings anymore

 

[fuji]

doesn't see you for paid bookings anymore

This is they key.

Some SP's maintain surprisingly (shockingly? )little separation between their personal and professional life. I have lots of SP's personal phone, in several cases their home addresses, real names, the whole nine yards. No matter what if you're still paying you're a client, even if you met their daughter (sorry tboy).

If you're NOT paying anymore then you're something else... not "more than a client".. but not a client anymore. Maybe a cry shoulder. Maybe a potential bf. Maybe a mark for a con, or maybe just a friend. But something different than a client.

 

[indefine]

this is interesting...so do u as the customer instigate to 'take things further' and therefore being more upfront about the whole thing? or is it the sp that usually instigate taking things further if they so desire?

i guess what i am saying is, is there a bad etiquette as the customer to take things further?

 

[fuji]

i guess what i am saying is, is there a bad etiquette as the customer to take things further?

If it's an agency girl and you ask for her "personal" number she will give you her backup work number as a matter of course. You would likely not even be the first that day that asked for it.

For anything else I repeat what I said before: An escort agency is not a dating service. Don't treat it like one.

 

[tboy]

This is they key.

Some SP's maintain surprisingly (shockingly? )little separation between their personal and professional life. I have lots of SP's personal phone, in several cases their home addresses, real names, the whole nine yards. No matter what if you're still paying you're a client, even if you met their daughter (sorry tboy).

If you're NOT paying anymore then you're something else... not "more than a client".. but not a client anymore. Maybe a cry shoulder. Maybe a potential bf. Maybe a mark for a con, or maybe just a friend. But something different than a client.

Sorry, I have to disagree. If one crosses the line between being purely a client and something more, doesn't necessitate the stopping of money exchange. For eg: I have many friends who I still charge for things I do for them. For eg: I had a VERY close friend who lived across the hall from me who happened to be a photographer. I know if I had her take my photos she'd charge me just like I charged her for the custom speaker stands I made for her, the mounting of her LCD TV etc etc etc.

 

[fuji]

Whatever you might like to say, this industry is different. Very, very plainly different.

 

[ToothPrick]

Sorry, I have to disagree. If one crosses the line between being purely a client and something more, doesn't necessitate the stopping of money exchange. For eg: I have many friends who I still charge for things I do for them. For eg: I had a VERY close friend who lived across the hall from me who happened to be a photographer. I know if I had her take my photos she'd charge me just like I charged her for the custom speaker stands I made for her, the mounting of her LCD TV etc etc etc.

Big difference between seeing a SP and her charging you a couple hundred dollars, and you only giving her $50 for cab fare out of kindness.

Another difference is just say you asked your VERY close friend to take photos and she agrees without asking for anything, however you pay the cost of film or something like that. Just like how you might not ask for money for doing shit for her, but she gives you cost of materials.

The way I see it is if you have crossed the line between client and friend, then when you do meet up money is not expected. If you are a prick you'll opt for the freebie. If not you'd do the decent thing and give some sort of compensation. I think most would...I know I do.

Asking/expecting money, and giving money out of kindness is really the indicator, imo.

My two cents...

 

[tboy]

Whatever you might like to say, this industry is different. Very, very plainly different.

I find it really funny the double standard that many apply to this business: EVERY sp says "this is a business and I operate it as such" yet there are still those that say "this totally different".

Sorry, but it is NOT different. An sp provides a service, many other people provide different services but no matter what you may think, there is NO difference between a carpenter, SP, RMT, Cab Driver, Waiter, Maid etc. Each provides a unique service but still provides a service.

A Maid cleaning your house for money is NO different than an sp fucking you for money.

Now if one were to take this one step further, and this applies to ALL service oriented businesses, if you become involved in a romantic relationship with someone, then yes, no money will change hands. For eg: If you start dating someone who works as a maid, I highly doubt you will pay her (monetarily) if she cleans your bathroom for you (poor soul cleaning MY bathroom lol).

 

[tboy]

Big difference between seeing a SP and her charging you a couple hundred dollars, and you only giving her $50 for cab fare out of kindness.

Another difference is just say you asked your VERY close friend to take photos and she agrees without asking for anything, however you pay the cost of film or something like that. Just like how you might not ask for money for doing shit for her, but she gives you cost of materials.

The way I see it is if you have crossed the line between client and friend, then when you do meet up money is not expected. If you are a prick you'll opt for the freebie. If not you'd do the decent thing and give some sort of compensation. I think most would...I know I do.

Asking/expecting money, and giving money out of kindness is really the indicator, imo.

My two cents...

Yes, you have a point, but I've also (being a savvy business person) given at cost jobs to long term clients and done freebies for them too. One of the reasons I am busier than a one armed paper hanger is if a customer is short on cash, yet really needs something done, I'll do it for cost or free. 9 times out of 10 it leads to lucrative projects.

I will agree that it is a difficult line to walk. For eg: I was talking with a (now retired) famous sp one saturday and we talked for about an hour while I drove to site. We discussed getting together that night and arranged a time. While there we ended up watching the hockey game, ordering in dinner, and non verbally she let on that she wanted to spend the night. While we were lying in bed I was trying to think of a way to broach the subject and she said "what's wrong"? I said "I'm a little concerned with how much this is going to cost me" (because I hadn't said I'd splurge for an overnighter) and her reply was: Why'd you have to go and spoil this?

 

[ToothPrick]

Yes, you have a point, but I've also (being a savvy business person) given at cost jobs to long term clients and done freebies for them too. One of the reasons I am busier than a one armed paper hanger is if a customer is short on cash, yet really needs something done, I'll do it for cost or free. 9 times out of 10 it leads to lucrative projects.

I will agree that it is a difficult line to walk. For eg: I was talking with a (now retired) famous sp one saturday and we talked for about an hour while I drove to site. We discussed getting together that night and arranged a time. While there we ended up watching the hockey game, ordering in dinner, and non verbally she let on that she wanted to spend the night. While we were lying in bed I was trying to think of a way to broach the subject and she said "what's wrong"? I said "I'm a little concerned with how much this is going to cost me" (because I hadn't said I'd splurge for an overnighter) and her reply was: Why'd you have to go and spoil this?

Yes savvy bussiness does keep you busier then a one armed paper hanger, and it is certainly something to be applauded. However this arrangement is most probably in the event that these poeple are soliciting you for your services, regardless what they end up paying it is them calling you and expecting something. Whereas in this industry, and I'll have to agree with Fuji on this one, it is a different industry, SP's call guys and vice versa all the time to just hang out, talk, or ask for advice. There is no expectation for money, nor is there expectation of sex. Now if you are expecting sex, and she has already passed the point of seeing you as a client an actually a friend, then that means you still see her as an escort and not a friend.

Human emotion (not necessarily romance, and could be just fucking for fun) is different then building speakers and mounting LCD's.

Ok...four cents now...

 

[ToothPrick]

Oh and by the way, your hockey watching female friend responded to you in that way, because she is human and probably doesn't like to be labelled as an escort all the time. If there was supposed to be a monetary exchange, it would have, or should have been discussed before hand and not with cock in hand .

So I think you spoiled it by assuming she would charge you. However I don't know the outcome, and for all I know you two could still be in contact.

Fact is that some connections/friendships are not about money, and some are, for me the real ones are not.

According to your logic what makes you think you didn't have to ask before anything happened? I mean you make it clear with your lucrative projects that payment is involved, right? Which also means the escort was a closer friend then the photographer. Now that is having double standards.

Sorry for dragging this on, but I just found it funny, because it never happened to me and my friends since I do it for my friends regardless if payment was clarified or not.

 

[fuji]

I find it really funny the double standard that many apply to this business

That's nice that you find it funny, but it's reality and your nice logical arguments don't matter a whit because in the real world it's plainly different.

If it was "just a service" we wouldn't have all these posts about guys wanting to date escorts, wondering whether they are special because they got her "personal" number, fooling themselves into thinking they get more than other clients because they're special, sometimes becoming stalkers, and so on.

For many SP's and for many customers part of the "service" that you buy is being fooled into thinking it isn't a service and that the money is irrelevant.

Your plumber never plays coy about giving you his "personal" number or pretending that you are a special person in his life. It is an undeniable part of the male psyche to want to feel special to women in a way that you never feel towards your accountant or your lawyer; and it is part of the female psyche to know how to fake that and that's in fact what (good) SP's do when you pay them: They fake it for you, and they can fake it for the best customers more convincingly by giving you "personal" information and seeing you "off the clock".

You are living in a dream world dude. What yoa buy for your $250 in this business is an illusion that the $250 doesn't matter and that makes it a world different than your plumber, maid, doctor, or accountant.

When you visit an SP you aren't just renting out her pussy for an hour. You are engging her at a psychological level and she puts on an act for you to make it real. To make the act convincing she may give you her personal number, invite you to her home, and introduce you to her daughter. At that point if you're still paying I guess you've crossed the line and it is either from "client" to "mark" or from "client" to "suggar daddy" (what's the difference really?)

 

[whynot888]

I have been given an SP's home # on a few occasions. In most cases they have turned out to become friends of mine.

Does that mean you get a discount from them?

 

[S.C. Joe]

Is at ALL an act I mean does she inter-act the same way with each client / if not then its not all an act.

Just cause she--or even the guy--might not want to spend extra time together doesn't mean she or him can not stand you. If I had to be with the SP for a long time, then I would not enjoy this hobby as much. Sure theres some I meet that I could be around for days on end but not all, not most in fact.

Yes, a great SP should get you to think she loves you to death, lol ...not many can do that or it depends on the guy. I think with me she can tell I'm a little cold hearted--maybe brain dead, ha ha. Plus being from Michigan she knows I won't be around town all the time, so whats the point in trying to "hook me". I still get along good--I believe its not ALL an act.

Heck even when you do "date" for real, you don't marry every one. Doesn't mean you don't or never loved them--just some you love more than others, thats all.

 

[great bear]

I don't want to brag, but all the SP's I see give me their number. "$1000.00 for the afternoon, please".

 

[a 1 player]

Does that mean you get a discount from them?

No, no discounts. It does however mean that sometimes we go out to dinner, catch a movie, go to a ball game... just as friends.

 

[Hiding]

In a quick jump to a friend's defense, having met tboy before on friendly - and never professional - terms I have no doubt he has met with many women here, maintained unpaid friendships, and these may likely have translated into 'civilian' sex with SPs. We're people too and these things happen to most of us.

 

[fuji]

Sure. To me too. However "paid" is the differentiator. If you are paying--ever--you are a client. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest.

 

[Yojimbo]

Well, when all is said and done, you're just a client....I personally feel that one should never lose sight of that, and learn to compartmentalize accordingly. When an SP has gotten too personal for my tastes, I've simply stopped seeing her. Once a customer, always a customer....Just don't forget how many men your "rent-a-girl" has seen before you. And undoubtabley, she has other "favourites" that she sees......So let's not bullshit ourselves. It's only business.
Cheers.

 

[digdoo]

And some people are arrogant.

I think when an sp intro's you to their daughter that's a pretty good indication that you've gone past the "client" part.....

I think that's a good indication that you need to take a left and circle back into reality there bro.