Speed Being Lowered on Some Downtown Streets

[red]

Yes, I will explain the logic. Reducing the speed to 30 km/h is an easy fix. With a few strokes of the pen it is done, and there is NO HARM IN DOING THIS. It also doesn't cost a ton of money to implement. It's not like they're taking a billion dollars out of the budget to implement this.

The logic is further this... just because they are NOT tackling the big issue does NOT mean that they should not tackle the small ones. It's like saying just because City Council has not adequately addressed environmental change, murder rates, urban traffic, the unsightly blight of loud Christmas Sweaters during the holidays [hell, insert any malfeasance in here, including not tacking the bigger issue you describe] they should not address this issue.

On a logical level, just because they don't address big issues doesn't mean they should not address small ones. If we operated on that logic, we'd have to stop all global warming before we address health care... or vice versa. Good government and good leadership is not just about ploughing ALL RESOURCES toward stopping one big issue at the expense of stopping smaller ones.

By your logic, ALL POLICE should be out solving murders and stopping the drug trade and not enforcing the very rules of the road that you want, because that is the bigger issue where more people get killed.

I think police should be focused on crime and have meter maids enforcing traffic rules. It would be cheaper.

 

[waterrat]

This law would make sense in Toronto...

When driving, you must have someone in front of your car with a flag to warn horse drawn carriages that a motorcar is coming.

Lower the speed limit to 5 km/h to reduce damage in the event of a collision.

Since Toronto drivers do not pay attention to pedestrians; all pedestrians should be obliged to carry a baseball sized rock to throw at cars that come too close.

Keep it up. Toronto was once the butt of jokes in Canada, it is now the butt of jokes around the world!

 

[NHFL]

I think police should be focused on crime and have meter maids enforcing traffic rules. It would be cheaper.

The only issue with that is that traffic stops and enforcing traffic rules can sometimes lead to bigger issues, such as driving without a license and/or driving without insurance or bigger issues such as stolen vehicles, impaired driving or checking for outstanding warrants, etc... I don't think meter maids are trained in these issues.

 

[TeeJay]

Pedestrians can legally cross anywhere, except where a crosswalk or traffic signal is nearby, if there is one they can be ticketted for not using it. They should always cross at intersections but aren't required to.

Seriously? In the city (where these changes are being proposed) there is a crosswalk/traffic signal literally every 100 metres (for a reason)
Yet idiots continue to walk blindly into lanes thinking god will save them

 

[oldjones]

Seriously? In the city (where these changes are being proposed) there is a crosswalk/traffic signal literally every 100 metres (for a reason)
Yet idiots continue to walk blindly into lanes thinking god will save them

And idiots continue to ignore the simplest of driving rules while responsible for tonnes of steel moving at killing velocity.

Since you apparently have never visited Toronto let me assure you we have neither crosswalk nor traffic signal every 100 metres. Literally or figuratively, on either arterials or sidestreets. If you doubt the traffic laws about crossing streets, you should make an effort to look them up. A serious one.

 

[NHFL]

Seriously? In the city (where these changes are being proposed) there is a crosswalk/traffic signal literally every 100 metres (for a reason)
Yet idiots continue to walk blindly into lanes thinking god will save them

That, for better or worse, does describe the state of mind children who play on streets have.

 

[oldjones]

That, for better or worse, does describe the state of mind children who play on streets have.

Which is why thoughtful adults propose reasonably safe speed for areas where there are children. Childish adults imagine the couple of driving minutes that may cost them are a tragedy akin to losing their kickball, and think that being in a car is god's permission to speed, not signal, pass on the right and do rolling stops.

 

[TeeJay]

Since you apparently have never visited Toronto let me assure you we have neither crosswalk nor traffic signal every 100 metres. Literally or figuratively, on either arterials or sidestreets. If you doubt the traffic laws about crossing streets, you should make an effort to look them up. A serious one.

I have seen the obstacle course that passes for roads in Toronto
Fucking joke
Tons of major cities (everyone from Montreal to NYC) do it better
From construction to piss poor planning, the ability to drive 40 is virtually non-existent in Toronto

Frustrating people by making a 15KM stretch = 2 hours in your car makes more aggressive drivers

Oh and enjoy the Pan Am games clusterfuck
It is going to get way way worse

 

[red]

The only issue with that is that traffic stops and enforcing traffic rules can sometimes lead to bigger issues, such as driving without a license and/or driving without insurance or bigger issues such as stolen vehicles, impaired driving or checking for outstanding warrants, etc... I don't think meter maids are trained in these issues.

Not trained yet but I doubt that it's hard to learn. In the event they have something serious then they call for a police officer.

 

[NHFL]

Not trained yet but I doubt that it's hard to learn. In the event they have something serious then they call for a police officer.

Red, I'm surprised at the lack of common sense to be honest.

If I'm a hardened criminal pulled over for a minor speeding ticket and the "meter maid" in their "Doge Neon without sirens" and untrained in pursuit driving told me to "patiently wait" while they called in a police officer because I'm driving a stolen car, I'd just drive off. Look at how many police chases there are where criminals run from actual police during traffic stops. Do you think a criminal would "patiently wait" while a Meter Maid told them that the police are on their way?

 

[red]

Red, I'm surprised at the lack of common sense to be honest.

If I'm a hardened criminal pulled over for a minor speeding ticket and the "meter maid" in their "Doge Neon without sirens" and untrained in pursuit driving told me to "patiently wait" while they called in a police officer because I'm driving a stolen car, I'd just drive off. Look at how many police chases there are where criminals run from actual police during traffic stops. Do you think a criminal would "patiently wait" while a Meter Maid told them that the police are on their way?

They might or they might not. If they would run from the meter maid then they would run from the officer. Anyways, this is a rare occurence.

 

[TeeJay]

Look at how many police chases there are where criminals run from actual police during traffic stops. Do you think a criminal would "patiently wait" while a Meter Maid told them that the police are on their way?

Jokes on you
With Toronto's horrible road system and 401 parking lot you will not get very far
Police could probably walk up to apprehend you

 

[NHFL]

Jokes on you
With Toronto's horrible road system and 401 parking lot you will not get very far
Police could probably walk up to apprehend you

This is actually well-known in Toronto. I was once fined for speeding and sentenced to 30 days on the 401. I moved a kilometer and lost 50 lbs due to starvation.