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Speculations on 911
- Thread starter cogterb
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papasmerf said:How about it mods
This is just another BUSH Bashing anti-American thread.
Do we really nee another one?????
These phrases are well over used.
Actually most people who critisize the USA are not anti-American.
They are more against quasi-fascism masquerading as a democracy and they are against the accompanying hypocracy.
For a country who wants to bring freedom and democracy to everybody you are sure irritated by freedom of speech when used to critique faults in your own political system.
You ain't squeeky clean you know.
cogterb said:These phrases are well over used.
Actually most people who critisize the USA are not anti-American.
They are more against quasi-fascism masquerading as a democracy and they are against the accompanying hypocracy.
For a country who wants to bring freedom and democracy to everybody you are sure irritated by freedom of speech when used to critique faults in your own political system.
You ain't squeeky clean you know.
Son I am an American and damed proud of it.
You seem not to be.
Now you can feel free to suggest other points of view. But you are not a citizen and therefore not entitled to a voice in American Politics.
BTW when you attack my country you attack me.
And to tell ya the truth I just don't like it.
papasmerf said:you are not a citizen and therefore not entitled to a voice in American Politics.
And to tell ya the truth I just don't like it.
You may have a point but only for domestic policy.
Foreign policy affects the well being of the world at large and as a citizen of the world at large I do have a right to critisism.
cogterb said:You may have a point but only for domestic policy.
Foreign policy affects the well being of the world at large and as a citizen of the world at large I do have a right to critisism.
No Actually should you disagree with American Policies. Lobby your government to return any and all American Aide.
Beyond that. No.
We the people of the United States, in order to from a more perfect union. Do hereby establish.............
papasmerf said:No Actually should you disagree with American Policies. Lobby your government to return any and all American Aide.
Beyond that. No.
We the people of the United States, in order to from a more perfect union. Do hereby establish.............
sounds like something that should be diagnosed...
cogterb said:sounds like something that should be diagnosed...
wow
quick witted.
somewhere in Arkanas there are several people chuckling.
papasmerf
Papasmerf.
It's only because you are number one that other countries level critisism against your country.
If people critisize my country I am proud that they recognize us. It means we have come up in the world.
But many Americans seem to be too sensitive about criticism from foreign parties.
It reminds me of a protective mother whose child has been bullied at school. The child is the US administration and the mother is the US citizens.
Then if that child goes bad and starts engaging in crime anybody dare not critisise that child or they had better deal with Mum first.
Papasmerf.
It's only because you are number one that other countries level critisism against your country.
If people critisize my country I am proud that they recognize us. It means we have come up in the world.
But many Americans seem to be too sensitive about criticism from foreign parties.
It reminds me of a protective mother whose child has been bullied at school. The child is the US administration and the mother is the US citizens.
Then if that child goes bad and starts engaging in crime anybody dare not critisise that child or they had better deal with Mum first.
DQ
Yes we do have the right to disagree with government policies......But you will admit we can vote to voice or displeasures.
I do not belive calling US Faists or insulting those who follow orders is correct.
I do believe that one of the things that seperate the US from other countries is the ability to speak up, freely. And while I support every Americans right to free speach. I can take critisizm from foreign national as anything more then OP-ED pieces.
Yes we do have the right to disagree with government policies......But you will admit we can vote to voice or displeasures.
I do not belive calling US Faists or insulting those who follow orders is correct.
I do believe that one of the things that seperate the US from other countries is the ability to speak up, freely. And while I support every Americans right to free speach. I can take critisizm from foreign national as anything more then OP-ED pieces.
cogterb,
Maybe we are sensitive. But alot has happened in the past few years. So Myself I might not be as open to some opinions.
Maybe we are sensitive. But alot has happened in the past few years. So Myself I might not be as open to some opinions.
papasmerf said:cogterb,
Maybe we are sensitive. But alot has happened in the past few years. So Myself I might not be as open to some opinions.
Yeah. I think that was my whole point. If dark forces within the US administration really did have a part of the 9/11 thing then they are really guilty of using WMDs against their own people.
That's what turns my stomach.
cogterb said:Yeah. I think that was my whole point. If dark forces within the US administration really did have a part of the 9/11 thing then they are really guilty of using WMDs against their own people.
That's what turns my stomach.
The 9/11 bombings are well considered an extention of the earlier bombing of the WTC. By reducing the millitary forces by 50% in the 90's the US was viewed as a much easier target.
Who do you think caused this??????
DQ,
All the OP-EDs and finger pointing in the world is not going to change one fact.
People take our money. Always have and always will. If these folks are so set aginst the US then they should begin to turn down the Aide we offer. Have you noticed how much has been returned to us?
I have to say the worlds rush to condem has more to do with the EUs determination to devalue the Dollar.
Consider what would have happened if the sanctions were lifted in Iraq and Sadamn decided to flex his might aginst Isreal????? Would Isreal have hesitated in using anything?????
The removal of Sadamn might well be the first step to a lasting peace in the Middle east. I am not saying it was a perfect solution. But neither was bringing him to power.
All the OP-EDs and finger pointing in the world is not going to change one fact.
People take our money. Always have and always will. If these folks are so set aginst the US then they should begin to turn down the Aide we offer. Have you noticed how much has been returned to us?
I have to say the worlds rush to condem has more to do with the EUs determination to devalue the Dollar.
Consider what would have happened if the sanctions were lifted in Iraq and Sadamn decided to flex his might aginst Isreal????? Would Isreal have hesitated in using anything?????
The removal of Sadamn might well be the first step to a lasting peace in the Middle east. I am not saying it was a perfect solution. But neither was bringing him to power.
papasmerf said:Son I am an American and damed proud of it.
You seem not to be.
Now you can feel free to suggest other points of view. But you are not a citizen and therefore not entitled to a voice in American Politics.
Well i am an American, and quite frankly, i resent the course of action taken by those who suggest i should shut up if i disagree with what my country does. If i had a son or daughter and he or she screwed up, i'd let him or her know. I wouldn't blindly let him or her go around doing whatever he or she damn well pleased, and get away with it all because he or she was my son or daughter. Especially when i'm convinced he or she could do better. The same goes for my country, and unless you can tell me why it shouldn't, then shut up with the "don't criticize America" crapola.
I find the people who rely on the "America, love it or leave it" argument simply don't give a rats ass if we're right or wrong so their goal is simply to stifle debate.
Ickabod said:Well i am an American, and quite frankly, i resent the course of action taken by those who suggest i should shut up if i disagree with what my country does. If i had a son or daughter and he or she screwed up, i'd let him or her know. I wouldn't blindly let him or her go around doing whatever he or she damn well pleased, and get away with it all because he or she was my son or daughter. Especially when i'm convinced he or she could do better. The same goes for my country, and unless you can tell me why it shouldn't, then shut up with the "don't criticize America" crapola.
I find the people who rely on the "America, love it or leave it" argument simply don't give a rats ass if we're right or wrong so their goal is simply to stifle debate.
Actually as you can see from my words I do welcome and support free speach in America. Also why did you ignore the subsequent posts??????
papasmerf said:The 9/11 bombings are well considered an extention of the earlier bombing of the WTC. By reducing the millitary forces by 50% in the 90's the US was viewed as a much easier target.
Who do you think caused this??????
The earlier bombing of the WTC seems to be fitting for an attack by foreign terrorists. The final attack had quite a different style.
Where in the world have we witnessed similar attacks? I cannot think of any. It was without precedent.
Why would Osama Bin-laden shoot himself in the foot this way. He would know that it would provide an excuse for the USA to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. If he was smart enough to plan these attacks he would have calculated exactly this outcome.
Instead what has happened is a vast ramping up of US military spending. Just what PNAC wanted by the way.
Worse is it has spawned an erosion in the freedoms of the people in the name of Homeland Security and an excuse for confinement without trial.
DQ
I don't think it is a secret that I do not like Bill or hillery.
Gore ( a founding member of the moral majority) is weak.
I am a supporter of the 1st and 2nd admendments, so I cringe when anti-constitutionists run for office.
Those in the military are called to serve. Such is the nature of the beast.
I am not in favor of bigger governments or bloated programs.
Nor do I support NAFTA or the WTO. I believe in manufacturing and people having jobs.
No question politics are complicated by those with in them.
I don't think it is a secret that I do not like Bill or hillery.
Gore ( a founding member of the moral majority) is weak.
I am a supporter of the 1st and 2nd admendments, so I cringe when anti-constitutionists run for office.
Those in the military are called to serve. Such is the nature of the beast.
I am not in favor of bigger governments or bloated programs.
Nor do I support NAFTA or the WTO. I believe in manufacturing and people having jobs.
No question politics are complicated by those with in them.
Re: Dear papasmerf
One thing is not to be seduced by the promise of low-taxes.
To me this is a way the rich and powerful corrupt government to persuade the people to vote for ultra-conservative policies.
That's probably a hard pill to swallow. However if you really have a government of the people by the people for the people and if all the checks and balances are in place and if the greedy, power hungry elites are kept at bay then tax money should be collected for the good of the public.
I really don't know how Bush can still cut taxes while boosting military spending. It seems highly irresponsible.
Low taxes by the way has been a code word for neo-liberalism in the economy. The idea is to stimulate growth. I think it just leads to an unlevel playing field though.
Probably it is inevitable that todays major powers will have to give up some of their edge as other nations rise.
That will also be hard to swallow.
DonQuixote said:In 1960 President Eisenhower warned US against
the industrial-military complex. Add the oil folks (Texas)
and Wall-street bankers and you have the axis of
evil. We Americans have been sold out to the elite.
I'm a one-man entrepreuner who is watching the
situation with a subjective view. My clients are being
exploited and their sons are being sent to Iraq.
What am I to conclude? My elected elite are selling
my clients out for power. It's all too terribly sad.
Give me slick-Willie and his unzippered fly versus
Georgie who rakes and rapes the unwilling.
What are we to do?
Sincerely, DQ
One thing is not to be seduced by the promise of low-taxes.
To me this is a way the rich and powerful corrupt government to persuade the people to vote for ultra-conservative policies.
That's probably a hard pill to swallow. However if you really have a government of the people by the people for the people and if all the checks and balances are in place and if the greedy, power hungry elites are kept at bay then tax money should be collected for the good of the public.
I really don't know how Bush can still cut taxes while boosting military spending. It seems highly irresponsible.
Low taxes by the way has been a code word for neo-liberalism in the economy. The idea is to stimulate growth. I think it just leads to an unlevel playing field though.
Probably it is inevitable that todays major powers will have to give up some of their edge as other nations rise.
That will also be hard to swallow.
War is never a surgicaly clean proceedure.
What from the television looks like a video game, in reality is very much so human.
Most people will never know the look on a face as life passes from ot. I like DQ hope no one has to know that. But DQ we have an voulenteer millitary. And a millitaries job is not clearning snow from city streets.
A soldiers job is to follow orders. And you know how important that is under fire.
What from the television looks like a video game, in reality is very much so human.
Most people will never know the look on a face as life passes from ot. I like DQ hope no one has to know that. But DQ we have an voulenteer millitary. And a millitaries job is not clearning snow from city streets.
A soldiers job is to follow orders. And you know how important that is under fire.
