SP and friendship

explorerzip

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I suspect a break up conversation might go something like this;

You - I think we should break things off as I`m having trouble separating our friendship and my feelings for you.

Her - OK Bob

You - My name is Frank.
I think the OP had problems keeping his hands off her, so a break up conversation would not be wise. Come to think of it, you can't break up with someone that you're not in a relationship with. There's nothing to break up.
 
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Kareena

I suspect a break up conversation might go something like this;

You - I think we should break things off as I`m having trouble separating our friendship and my feelings for you.

Her - OK Bob

You - My name is Frank.
I just spit out my juice. So funny.
 

Richard.TO

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That's a value judgment. Personally, it makes sense. But it's not your call.

One of the toughest things to do is to watch someone you care about make "bad decisions". Of course you would rather see her put her (undoubtedly extensive) talents to a more stable, socially acceptable, dare I say, "marry-able" future. At a minimum, you simply don't want to see her get hurt, or achieve less than what you think is her full potential.

An even harder thing to do is to understand that not everyone shares your value systems, no matter how "common" or "common sense" you might think they are. For example, you might know that toothpaste goes on sale every month. So, you'll just buy 3 or 4 tubes every time they go on sale because you know that you'll need them eventually. She might not care even if she knew that sales happen regularly. She is quite content to pay full retail whenever she needs it.

We are products of our environment. Our life views are formed by our life experiences. In other words, she may see the world through a totally different lens. You may grow to accept it, but you might never understand it. You sound like you're crossing into the "us" zone. Until she demonstrates (with action, not words) that she is making a commitment to you, it's just you and her, not "us".

Her entire life horizon may consist of the short term. She may be able to talk about the long term in the abstract (dreams and hopes). But, she doesn't really grasp the concept. She may be completely unwilling to take concrete steps to realize those dreams and hopes.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

1. Don't worry about catching feelings. It happens.

2. If you care about her, just be a good friend.

3. Don't make her problems your own. She is responsible for her own life.
This is excellent! Are you a relationship psychologist? Found that this hits the mark.
 

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I feel like quoting Lester Bangs from Almost Famous here
(Slightly paraphrased)

"Aw man. See you made friends with them. They make you feel cool. And hey, I met you. You are not cool"

It really doesn't have much to do with your specific situation, but I immediately thought of it while reading your post

Carry on.

I love this movie.
 

swanky

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I suspect a break up conversation might go something like this;

You - I think we should break things off as I`m having trouble separating our friendship and my feelings for you.

Her - OK Bob

You - My name is Frank.
Funny. I think it might go more like this.

Me: I think we need some time away from each other
Her: ok
Me: I was just kidding...sniff sniff will you take me back
Her: only if you help me with ____
Me: Of course. I'm glad we're back together

At least I can laugh about myself.

I'm not really looking for a relationship at this point in my life, and even if I did, there's so much chasm between us that even if she wasn't an SP, there would be zero chance.

It does seem a little cheesy just to end it by saying goodbye, but then there's never a good way to say goodbye to a woman that you've shared a bed with. I somehow think that I can be her fair-weather friend but that's not going to work either.

In the end, I know this has to end and I guess I'm in part dreading the unpleasantness of doing so and the thought of missing her is a big part of that.
 

Questor

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My mother use to tell me not to socialize with people who don't share your values. I have always in my life rebelled against this, but I'm having second thoughts because fundamentally this is where the problem lies. Two separate worlds, two spheres of social reality, two different value systems.
So what are the two different value systems at play here? You've alluded to a couple of things but the main thing/problem seems to be that she is a sex worker. And you pay for sex. So how is that different values? You both believe in reducing sex to a financial transaction.
 

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Funny. I think it might go more like this.

Me: I think we need some time away from each other
Her: ok
Me: I was just kidding...sniff sniff will you take me back
Her: only if you help me with ____
Me: Of course. I'm glad we're back together

At least I can laugh about myself.

I'm not really looking for a relationship at this point in my life, and even if I did, there's so much chasm between us that even if she wasn't an SP, there would be zero chance.

It does seem a little cheesy just to end it by saying goodbye, but then there's never a good way to say goodbye to a woman that you've shared a bed with. I somehow think that I can be her fair-weather friend but that's not going to work either.

In the end, I know this has to end and I guess I'm in part dreading the unpleasantness of doing so and the thought of missing her is a big part of that.
lol Swanky you remind me of a friend of mine... she asked for my advice about a guy she was seeing.... so I did... and she is now with him for 8 years lmao she asks for advice every other month on the same thing but still ends up staying with him. From what i read i get the feeling no matter what anybody says on here you already have it in your mind you are going to ride this one out. :) I can tell you will be wishing things were different and you will complain but you will still stick around.

So all i can say is good luck and all the best.... hugs
 

Smallcock

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One should feel blessed to know somebody who is so honest about what she does for a living and the cost for access.

Imagine a society where all women were as open and genuine. It'd be paradise.
 

milehigh

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Friends should be no matter what. The sex stuff is part of her and important to her. I can relate. Just enjoy the friendship. Who she has sex with and who you have sex with shouldn't affect it.
 

TeasePlease

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This is excellent! Are you a relationship psychologist? Found that this hits the mark.
I reread it and thought it was jumbled (even though written with the best intent). I'm no therapist; just a student of human behaviour. I'm fascinated by how people relate, including myself.

Funny. I think it might go more like this.

Me: I think we need some time away from each other
Her: ok
Me: I was just kidding...sniff sniff will you take me back
Her: only if you help me with ____
Me: Of course. I'm glad we're back together

At least I can laugh about myself.

It does seem a little cheesy just to end it by saying goodbye, but then there's never a good way to say goodbye to a woman that you've shared a bed with. I somehow think that I can be her fair-weather friend but that's not going to work either.

In the end, I know this has to end and I guess I'm in part dreading the unpleasantness of doing so and the thought of missing her is a big part of that.

I know you're saying it in jest, but if that's a typical conversation...I'd suggest googling "Co-dependency". LOL.

Once you catch feelings, being a casual friend can work, but it's hard. It gets easier over time. But, it really depends on each party being sensitive to the other. Being friends is sometimes harder than being in a committed relationship. (If you're in a relationship, you can probably get away with taking the other person for granted once in a while. If you're friends, you aren't bound to that person and are free to walk away if you don't feel appreciated and valued.)

As for missing her, sure, that will happen. But don't confuse comfort with care.

Take the opportunity to try something new. A new hobby, or to actively meet new people (join Toronto sports clubs!).

Anyhow, you can ask for all the advice you want, and some of what you read on here might even resonate with you. But, I find that most people don't take this stuff to heart. Love is irrational, so facts and figures and statistics and probabilities are rarely persuasive. Many guys think that they are the exception. So, they will have to see for themselves. (Frankly, I can understand that. Any true romantic would have to try, or they couldn't live with themselves not wondering "what if"?)

I'm not sure where you sit. I just know that you're probably in an exciting, but confusing, place.

I wish you the best.
 

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Sort of wondering if the lady in question knows about/uses TERB and has been reading all of this as well as how much she knows about Swanky's use of TERB (does she know if he even knows about it? Uses it? What his screenname is?). Just think of all the insights she is getting on Swanky if she has been reading this and does know that he's her friend.
 
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