SP’s who get preg from clients

[themexi]

Yup. You had a choice. You made your choice. . You got her pregnant.

Wait. You're always saying it takes 2 so by your own logic WE got her pregnant.

In this case that was NOT your last choice--your next choice was to hide from her like a coward to try and avoid responsibility for your earlier choice.

Nope. Making good & godamn sure anonymous sex STAYS anonymous is a choice LONG before the act for it to be effective. Prevention.

This in a situation where you likely KNOW the risk is there--a condom broke, or whatever. It's not like she's going to get pregnant if the condom is working. It's a rare situation and you likely knew that it was a possibility the moment you pulled out and saw the broken condom.

AGAIN, it's in every Hobbyists intrests to take Every step to Guard their anonymity for LOTS of reasons. This is just one tiny remote & very expensive one.

For some people it's not a choice.

It's ALWAYS a choice

Some people don't believe in abortion, and so the choice to abort is not available to them.

That's a CHOICE

You attempting to ram your views down someone else's throat just shows how selfish you really are.

WTF do you think YOURE DOING?????????????

I think anyone who believed abortion is a valid choice would get one in that case. That leaves SP's who think abortion is inherently immoral, and so your statement here is invalid--they don't have that choice. That means the last person who had any choice in the matter was you.

There is so much wrong with your "logic" here it's clear you're just a sucker & you can't stand to see MEN refuse to tolerate the shit you eat because youre too fucking weak & docile to even conceive of doing different.

If you want to look at the world so cynically: Your first statement is where the law stands in Canada, the U.S. and the U.K..

So?

Your second two statements are the way you would wish for the law to be, not as it is.

Honestly, I stopped really caring what the laws say. I don't have any expectation of them being fair or looking out for me so I do that myself.

And as for your final remark welcome to wage garnishment, suspension of drivers and professional licenses, perhaps even jail for contempt.

Need a name & whatnot to to this. Welcome to "Good luck finding me in the first place"

 

[themexi]

@themexi, you are an absolute toolbox. Seriously, you sound too young to even be having sex.

.. Get the chip off your shoulder. The fact nobody gives a shit about 'your concerns' doesn't make the legal system anti-men, it makes it PRO CHILD.-you know, that "thing" you helped make?

The legal system is VERY aware that if men could decide whether they wanted to be responsible, there would MILLIONS of kids on this Earth w/o proper support and dads to take care of them. Since no man or institution can 'govern' a womans body (this isn't the freakin middle east), they have to put this law into place to prioritize the needs of the child, not ur petty feelings...Don't agree? Move to Iraq.

Rather than bitch about it not being fair to you, think about is that fair to the kid? Oh right, ur solution was just to abort the 'thing'. FYI Abortion isn't a form of birth control, it's used in emergency situations; you not wanting to keep it doesn't count as one.

You both fucked in the bed, now you both have to lie in it, still don't agree? Tough shit, you're legally tied to it, and you WILL BE FOUND .... 'hide from the police'-ba ha haha good one.

I bet if there wasn't that safety net the # of unwed mommas would drop like a STONE.... Used to be that men & women had Honor... Men would own up to it, in most cases do the right thing & marry the girl.... & girls had the sense to be SELECTIVE with their partners....

Lame ass street boys like we see now got a LOT fewer chances to breed because they werent good Dad material.

 

[CapitalGuy]

Then let them read. You'll lose another debate. I'm getting tired of your losing by the way, can you try and win one sometime?

Everyone beats you, me especially. Since your entire self-worth is wrapped up in TERB, now that your wife has left you, it kills you to be continually bested in here. I am sorry for your low self-esteem, it must be hard to keep getting kicked down when you're struggling with not being fully Canadian as it is.

 

[Aardvark154]

Need a name & whatnot to to this. Welcome to "Good luck finding me in the first place"

In which case welcome to the world of DNA, paternity tests, DNA databases, and Court Orders.

 

[Aardvark154]

As has been said before this whole thread - by now six pages, assumes some SPs who are amazingly unconcerned about their health, and frankly not the sharpest of knives.

 

[HOF]

23 more minutes, then Chelsea Lately is on!

 

[Fallsguy]

How long did you lay awake thinking this one up?
Come on.

 

[alexmst]

I've never had a condom break. I asked an SP once about condoms breaking and she said it has happened to her a few times over a 3 year period. She took a morning after pill each time (agency driver gave her them when she said condom broke) and nothing came of it. She said she had no desire to have a baby or pair up with the client or get his contact info.

 

[GrandBlasterK]

That's when you'd say oops upside your head.

 

[simon482]

i had to drive my brothers girlfriend to the abortion clinic for him cuz he couldn't get away from his wife. it was about an enjoyable car ride as you can imagine. i found out he gave her 2 choices, push down the stairs or the clinic. at least he was nice enough to pay for the deal.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Twice!!! , shit. It's never happened to me in my 14 years of hobbying (knock on wood). But I could see how it would end the session. Shit I hope what I'm talking about doesn't happen to you. Maybe check up on the SP after a couple of months to see that you're in the clear. Then you'll be able to sleep at night

I've had it happen twice with the same gal who I regularly see and who's sweet & intelligent too. It was pre-climax without precum so no concerns about pregnancy I had myself checked and so did she, and no other issues. In both cases after it happened, we switched to oral (since the breakage happened after vigourous intercourse, and I got my fill).

It is wise to occasionally apply more lube to miminize breakage from excess friction, etc.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I bet if there wasn't that safety net the # of unwed mommas would drop like a STONE.... Used to be that men & women had Honor... Men would own up to it, in most cases do the right thing & marry the girl.... & girls had the sense to be SELECTIVE with their partners....

Lame ass street boys like we see now got a LOT fewer chances to breed because they werent good Dad material.

If there was no safety net, we'd probably have bigger orphanages run by the state, and your taxes would be higher.

The honour issue has nothing to do with SPs and their customers, only potential couples who then have shotgun weddings (or used to have them).

 

[GPIDEAL]

@themexi, you are an absolute toolbox. Seriously, you sound too young to even be having sex.

.. Get the chip off your shoulder. The fact nobody gives a shit about 'your concerns' doesn't make the legal system anti-men, it makes it PRO CHILD.-you know, that "thing" you helped make?

The legal system is VERY aware that if men could decide whether they wanted to be responsible, there would MILLIONS of kids on this Earth w/o proper support and dads to take care of them. Since no man or institution can 'govern' a womans body (this isn't the freakin middle east), they have to put this law into place to prioritize the needs of the child, not ur petty feelings...Don't agree? Move to Iraq.

Rather than bitch about it not being fair to you, think about is that fair to the kid? Oh right, ur solution was just to abort the 'thing'. FYI Abortion isn't a form of birth control, it's used in emergency situations; you not wanting to keep it doesn't count as one.

You both fucked in the bed, now you both have to lie in it, still don't agree? Tough shit, you're legally tied to it, and you WILL BE FOUND .... 'hide from the police'-ba ha haha good one.

You're great. This is part of what learned judges and lawmakers and social workers probably have discussed years ago to come up with the laws we have today.

It seesm like it's all new to themexi.

You get a pat on the back from me, and if you really are a Peggy, a hug too.

 

[sasemohan123]

Here is my REAL situation:
I have had great mileage with a MPA (do not PM, it was personal i hope, and she is nowhere to be found now), and we have had FS nonstop for the full hour every time. One particular incident i will never forget: we kept going even after i had my climax, resulting the cover slipping off while we were still engrossing in the act. Finding out at the end it was nowhere(deep inside her) is something like WTF to both. She took it badly, shaking and such with worries (but did not get mad or blamed me), and me too. It turn out to be OK, after the morning pills, and the the doctor check up (you know STD, AIDS...).To me it is heart wrenching, to father a child and then forget it is NON-HUMAN (the choice is HERS too), so i went through hell the whole time until she got her period again and have clear with ALL the check-up. It is a risk with hobbying guy! BTW, we went on to have some great ( greater?) sessions afterward, but i can only hope now to find her again in my dream.

 

[Madeline Rhodes]

Well this thread is kind of like a train wreck. One cannot help but watch.

Firstly let me start by saying a few things without singling specific men out:

To those who have said they would take part of the responsibility. My hat is off to you. You are better men then many.

For those who would drive her to a clinic or pay for a procedure... Do you intend to cover her down time?

To those who think there is no choice and the decision should be automatically decided in favour of aborting the fetus... How absolutely profound that you would feel you have the ability to make a decision for another, or the right to insist it be carried through.

Let me put this in perspective and really discuss the actual abortion:

Abortion means a minimum number of weeks with no intercourse (2 week checkups are important to ensure the cervix has properly closed after certain procedures). The range varies based on the information given by a clinic from 1 - 3 weeks usually but some are told up to 6 weeks.

Abortion can also cause many emotional and mental health issues for a woman, even if she enters into it with a clear mind, and it is not something she considers wrong in any way. Most places require her to undergo pre-abortion consultation, and to be honest if they feel it would harm her mentally and emotionally they can and will prevent the abortion from happening though this is rare.

Failure to comply with proper after care can lead to a serious infection.

In approximately 2 out of every 100 procedures they miss some "materials" during the procedure, and they will need to do another to remove those materials.

Hemorrhaging is a risk for this procedure. It happens for about 1 in every 1000 or so, and tends to happen during the procedure or right after which is why a woman cannot go for the procedure "alone" or she will not be allowed to leave.

We can't forget the 1 in 1000 who have a failed abortion which requires a second procedure. Usually in women who have a retroverted or tipped uterus.

And lastly let's not forget there is risk of puncture to the uterus (though most are minor and require no repair... not all are).

But hey... HER BODY HER CHOICE RIGHT?



Now on to someone specific:

themexi... I understand that you feel strongly. I wish you could take a step back, and not be so vehement in your posts on this matter as I feel you are now responding without hesitation, and purely out of being caught in 2 threads that makes you want to rant, rave, and post like a mad man.

While I understand your want and need to avoid being tangled up in a situation you feel is not of your own making... I am going to say the risk of it happening to you is extremely low. I would also like to put something in perspective for you:

The fake number, with a fake name is a grand thought. Anonymity is a wonderful thing, yet at the same time the adamant stance that she know nothing about you makes me have two thoughts:

Firstly I have always said if you worry about her having your number/name what are you doing putting your most prized body part near her? This is a prime reason why men are robbed, or run into complicated situations in this hobby. Try staying with reputable women for a change. It may make you feel better.

Secondly I would like to politely remind you that there have been a number of women who have been seriously injured by men they have seen professionally. If someone is requesting your information it is for her safety... Not blackmail, or paternity.



On my final note I would like to say that no matter the circumstances of conception... Not all single mothers go on the system, and not all single mothers want financial support from the paternal DNA donor. It is her choice. Reality is many women do feel it is "the right thing" to inform the biological father, but not all of them want anything to do with your finances. Taking a penny of your money would potentially enable you to petition for parental rights and access which in turn may be one of the most abhorrent things she can come up with! Oh how I love the other perspective at times.

 

[sasemohan123]

Madeline Rhodes: Hat off to you for a long and most likely well-thoughtout post. I tend to speculate here a bit about you too, but that's beside the point.
For the record, i'm for women's right and VERY sympathy to the women's ordeals of "tolerating" some of us. But do give men some room, because it is a risk that women take every times "seeing" a man also a risk vice-versa. We as human can only do humanly things, that's includes the world oldest "thingy", and we got to deal with the fall-out as we humanly can. To put the "blame" on only one side is not fair, after all it takes two to dance doesn't it?.

 

[Madeline Rhodes]

Madeline Rhodes: Hat off to you for a long and most likely well-thoughtout post. I tend to speculate here a bit about you too, but that's beside the point.
For the record, i'm for women's right and VERY sympathy to the women's ordeals of "tolerating" some of us. But do give men some room, because it is a risk that women take every times "seeing" a man also a risk vice-versa. We as human can only do humanly things, that's includes the world oldest "thingy", and we got to deal with the fall-out as we humanly can. To put the "blame" on only one side is not fair, after all it takes two to dance doesn't it?.

You miss my point completely.

Most women will move on in their lives to marry someone later, and some may even marry someone who is a friend or whom they care about while pregnant. At the very least there will be involvements and relationships in the womans lifetime.

So how do you think she will explain the "father"?

Well you see I use to be a SP/MPA/Dancer and I had this client whom the condom broke with and he now has weekend visitations and pays me x$/month for child support?

Reality check is more likely this:

I was involved with a man who was married/died in an accident/etc. or the alternative of "he was someone I met once, fell head over heels for and never saw again".

All of those are far more likely then the other as 75%+ of the women in the industry who make a clean break do not disclose past activities.

That said... I adore the men I know who "hobby". Then again why would I ever want to know those who have no couth, and no class so it probably changes my perspective.

 

[fuji]

Madeline for sure if a client/SP relationship produces a baby it's going to be horrendously awkward for both sides. Someone asked me on another thread how I would explain it to my wife--I would plainly have to, because I would want to be involved in my own child's life. No doubt it would wreck my marriage. Fortunately it's an unlikely scenario because fortunately condoms do mostly work, and even when they break there's still only a chance and not a certainty of pregnancy. The risk is pretty small, though real.

The thing is though it's not about the adults. We engaged in that behavior, either as client or SP, and we knew what the possible outcomes were, however remote or unlikely.

Women have a right to choose for themselves whether to carry a pregnancy to term or whether to abort it, but once that baby is born it is no longer about the woman's choice, or her life, or the impact on her life, nor is it about the father's life or the impact on his life. It's about the child, a human being who is entitled to the full support of both parents, no matter how painful and no matter how awkward and no matter how uncomfortable that may be.

As I said on the other thread, compare and contrast:

Some people are actually willing to die to protect their children from harm, if necessary, but here on this thread we have "guys" boasting that they would hide from their own children, to avoid providing even the most basic necessities of life. What a difference.

 

[Madeline Rhodes]

fuji... I know men who would die for their children, and I know men who don't even bother to hide but walk away like the child is a bad odour.

That said I know men who accept another mans child as their own, raise the child as their own and would die for the child. No lies have to be told here either. These men choose to be there and the child should know that.

Any man can father a child... It takes a real man to be a dad. Regardless of the contribution of DNA.

If you genuinely wanted to be a part of your child's life I would hope the option was there (though I think it may be best to leave the professional aspect out of the back history), but for those who would feel the need to run, or hide... They need to grow up and get over themselves.

More then one man who "ran" or "hid" when he got someone pregnant regretted it years later and went looking for their child. There is no telling what 15 years brings in our world perspective.

All of that aside... It isn't a mans choice even after birth. If she chose to say nothing and raise the child on her own or with another then that is her choice. As sad as that may seem to those who would step up. It is reality.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Madeleine, I appreciate the excellent comments and perspective in your post #117 herein. I've known someone who went thru an abortion and it's not easy, physically or emotionally.

Downtime is another consideration but since the risk is shared, something reasonable along those lines or what a customer can comfortably afford seems appropo. There are some deep-pocketed people who would do more I'm sure, particularly if they are regulars.

I also agree (and I mentioned this in another thread) that many girls may not have anything to do with the father later. I've met dancers and SPs who are single moms in those circumstances.