Something that has been eating at me...so to speak

[frankcastle]

The fact that BB is out there doesn't surprise me. But the number of people doing it does. I'm single but I know that many terbites probably have SO's. I think they are playing a dangerous game. Most diseases aren't lethal but an angry SO, that's a different story.

As for SPs that provide CBJ, I might suggest using ultrathin condoms and putting lube inside the condom. If you want to get fancy place the bottle of lube in hot water from the tap first. Provides a nice warm wet feeling. Throw in some eye contact, sound effects, varied speed, varied depths, varied techniques, use the tongue, use the hands, and handle the balls and most guys will probably be happy with that.

Man that was a long way of just saying that a CBJ can be made to feel really good. Do it well and people will hear about it through word of mouth. Sorry bad pun I know.

 

[kinks_r_us]

Kassidy's body parts

that it is because I am having kenee surgery *chuckles*.

Kassidy....do I have a kenee too???

 

[fun-guy]

As for SPs that provide CBJ, I might suggest using ultrathin condoms and putting lube inside the condom. If you want to get fancy place the bottle of lube in hot water from the tap first. Provides a nice warm wet feeling. Throw in some eye contact, sound effects, varied speed, varied depths, varied techniques, use the tongue, use the hands, and handle the balls and most guys will probably be happy with that.

Man that was a long way of just saying that a CBJ can be made to feel really good. Do it well and people will hear about it through word of mouth. Sorry bad pun I know.

This is why Mariah is so great at what she does, although CBJ, she gets right into the whole session with all the other services and is fabulous at it. You sure don't even think BBBJ when you're with her.

 

[fourteen]

Random thoughts

Good thread people!
My ideas are possibly different. I agree with Hammer's definitions of safe gfe and true gfe and find them helpful, but I think I know what makes a "real gfe".
A real gfe makes me feel that she enjoyed her time with me and is sorry that it's over. She doesn't make me feel like I've just been processed. She is the exact opposite of a clock watcher. She understands that I don't want a slam bam thank you ma'am service. She makes me think that she thinks I'm a good guy and she would like me to return. She never makes me feel rushed or that she has to get on to the next guy or whatever. She gives me a hug and tells me she had a good time and sounds sincere. And she doesn't ask for outrageous tips, she just accepts whatever I give her with a big smile.
Having said that, there is the issue of risk. I think Kassidy is wrong to imply we should not take any risks. Driving to KW is probably a bigger risk than anything. There are risks associated with every activity. I agree we should try to understand the risks and then make informed adult decisions.
I never pressure or try to coerce any mpa or sp that I see. But if she provides a nice time, I make sure she knows that I appreciate it.
Re cbj or bbbj?
Funnily enough (yes, that is a word) I do not like cbj. It makes it painfully obvious that I am engaged in a business transaction. To me it seems very artificial. I sometimes ask them to do no bj rather than a cbj. That's just my opinion. I love it when they voluntarily and spontaneously do bbbj, but I never take it for granted.
Whether I repeat or not is based on my reaction to the lady - does he really turn me on physically and emotionally, and is she a real gfe?
No.14

 

[Peter123]

Condoms?

What couple in a relationship use a condom for oral sex? .

for one...I have...walk into a stag shop or similar place and check out the amount of flavoured condoms they have...how do you think these are being used??...but not necessarily anthing to do with STDs..

 

[frankcastle]

I think new couples might use condoms in the beginning. When with a new GF I like the idea of getting tested. AFter which the gloves are off so to speak. Unless she is not into the pill for health or other reasons.

But I think a good point was raised about GFE having to do with a feeling because you can get a EE escort in Toronto and she will likely give you bbbj and dfk but I wouldn't consider that GFE.

 

[Kassidy]

to kassidy...

if you have a problem with performing what is pretty much expected, people are "paying" you for services that are relevant......then get another job....its as easy as that...

if you dont like serving hamburgers..then quit the job...
dont like the job, go get another, if you feel its not safe...then your fault for staying and doing it, dont complain about it.

you dont wanna do it..then dont..but dont complain about losing busines or others are stelaing away, or osme are being pressured..thats bullshit

looknaround,

Wow, you have a high opinion of women dontcha? I don't think that giving a BBBJ is something that is "expected", and personally, you couldn't pay me enough to take that risk.

I was not complaining about losing business, incase you didn't read my whole thread (which it appears you didn't) I am retired. And also, a man that insists on a BBBJ is a guy I personally *don't* want to see, because neither of us would be satisfied/happy in the end.

I find it hard to believe that you can't wrap your head around the issue that some women might feel that there is a pressure out there to preform a service they are not comfortable with. Am I saying it is specifically in KW? No. It is out there everywhere this industry exists.

In a "real" job, if someone insisted on you performing something you were uncomfortable with, you have avenues to go through. In this business, we don't. An SP can't go to Human Resources and say "some guy is insiting I give him a BBBJ, or he is going to not pay me".

Anyways...thanks to everyone who is responding to this thread, as I said, the opinions I am expressing are only my own. It is always interesting to hear other people opinions on the same issue.

And kinks-r-us: So yeah, I can't spell, or maybe I was spelling it the way someone might sound it out with the crazy k at the beginning *winks*. So just for you, I will type it properly: I am having *knee* surgery (smart ass) *chuckles*

*kisses*
Kassie

 

[sorely]

looknaround,

I am having *knee* surgery (smart ass) *chuckles*

'K"nee problems are also a health problem resulting from one of the favorite bj positions, whether cbj or bbbj.

Is that where yours came from Kassie? Maybe you should consider a safer profession / hobby!

 

[Luvver]

great post...even though the pressure is there for the girls to provide a service which is riskier than the basics it is nice to know that there are still some ladies out there who wont comprimise her saftey nor mine....for any price.

 

[ruck]

for herpes 80% of the general population in this world has or had it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_virus#Transmission


Just my 2 cents on the issue.

Herpes... had it? Huh, am I missing something here?
Herpes is for life. It's like bad luggage. You carry it with you forever.
It stays inactive at the bottom of your spine in nerve endings but when active it makes it way up the nerves to it's original point of entry to infect and possibly spread. Don't kid yourself, Herpes is a permanent thing. Just because it doesn't show all the time, doesn't mean it's not lurking.

But I do agree with the terms. If you're going to call yourself GFE, by all means, do what a girlfriend would do. If you dont' want to, there are plenty of guys, including myself who don't always look for the GFE. We want crazy sex but not always uncovered.

Cheers.

 

[calloway]

Let's change the tables around a little... how many of you guys go down on an SP without protection? 99.97%? I just find syran wrap and glad garbage bags a little ackward to work with. But if I don't provide DATY to the SP... she reviews me poorly.

 

[magicmanofmassage]

Let's change the tables around a little... how many of you guys go down on an SP without protection? 99.97%? I just find syran wrap and glad garbage bags a little ackward to work with. But if I don't provide DATY to the SP... she reviews me poorly.

They are so concerned with your dirty face that they feel obligated to wash it without using their hands!

 

[calloway]

They are so concerned with your dirty face that they feel obligated to wash it without using their hands!

I guess that all depends on how much hair they have.

 

[Musketeer]

I guess that all depends on how much hair they have.

Whoooooooo.............toochay! ( In French....touche!) Lol!

 

[Kassidy]

'K"nee problems are also a health problem resulting from one of the favorite bj positions, whether cbj or bbbj.

Is that where yours came from Kassie? Maybe you should consider a safer profession / hobby!

I wish it were something fun like that *chuckles*, but alas it is due to a run in with a rather heavy door that decided it would be neato fun to fall on my leg. Destroying cartiledge and ligaments along the way. But I assure you, that in the future, I will seek safe employment, in a place without doors!

*kisses*
Kassie

 

[sorely]

I wish it were something fun like that *chuckles*, but alas it is due to a run in with a rather heavy door that decided it would be neato fun to fall on my leg. Destroying cartiledge and ligaments along the way. But I assure you, that in the future, I will seek safe employment, in a place without doors!

*kisses*
Kassie

See, if you had just been bbbj'ing at the time , you would be safe and your knee would be fine. Bbbj is an injury preventative activity.

Are you now convinced

 

[Svend]

Yes, and swallowing the vital fluids that stiff joints excrete are also healthy for your aching limbs and keep all organs lubricated. It's good for your hair and complexion as well.

Not that I'll try it, mind you.

 

[magicmanofmassage]

I guess that all depends on how much hair they have.

I didn't say scrub your face, I said wash it! There's nothing wrong with getting a facial, depending on how it's done.

 

[calloway]

There's nothing wrong with getting a facial, depending on how it's done.

Magic... I know how close you and Musketeer are. Here's a suggestion... don't let him read your last comment

 

[Tragically_Glib]

WOW, you are worried about a BBBJ? Yikes!

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Ever since the KW definition of a "true GFE" came out, I have to admit that it made me concerned. By partaking in this hobby either as a provider or as a hobbiest, we all accept some inherent risks, and hopefully every single one of us does out best to minimize those risks.

Sexually transmitted diseases can be transfered via oral sex, for example chlamydia, syphilis or gonorrhea. Even herpes as be transmitted via oral sex, though, granted the risk of catching HIV from unprotected oral sex is slim.

It worries me that there is now some sort of "pressure" on girls to provide BBBJ, because that will get them the best review, and therefore the best client base. Even though the person requesting the service at that particular juncture in time might be clean, who says the guy before him was, or the guy 10 sessions before this particular person.

It would be nice to think that everyone participating in this hobby is STD free and gets regular testing. But I can't understand why so many men are willing to take that risk. Yes a BBBJ feels better than a CBJ. But we are talking about the possibility of picking something up, and if you are attatched passing it along to someone you care about.

Honestly, I guess I am dissapointed that this pressure is out there. It is something that has made me leery for the last little while, and in a way I am glad that I am retired now, though admittedly, not so happy that it is because I am having kenee surgery *chuckles*.

I think the focus needs to turn back to what is safest, not what feels best. Everyone needs to educate themselves on the risk of any BB activity, and it shouldn't be the deciding factor on whether or not a girl is a "true GFE" wether she is willing or not to risk catching or transmitting and STD via oral sex.

*steps off her soap box*

You can now all return to the regualirly scheduled programing

*kisses*
Kassie