Some Perspective

[Claudia Love]

If you can't afford to pay a living wage,
You can't afford to be in business.
Asking People to work off poverty wages ,
so you can own a business is entitlement @its finest.


You are asking human beings to use their lives
to subidize your desire to own a business
If a job is worth being done ,i its worth being paid enough to live.

 

[Uncharted]

If you can't afford to pay a living wage,
You can't afford to be in business.
Asking People to work off poverty wages ,
so you can own a business is entitlement @its finest.


You are asking human beings to use their lives
to subidize your desire to own a business
If a job is worth being done ,i its worth being paid enough to live.

Playing devils advocate here, not all jobs were, or are meant to be jobs to make a living off of.
Most part time jobs are meant for people who do not have to live off their earnings. Like teenagers.

Do you really think the highschool kid, incorrectly taking orders at the drive through, living at home with Mom and Dad making money to go partying with, needs or deserves to be paid a living wage?

Do you think the highschool kid working at the grocery store, who's job is to stand at the entrance all day and tell people where the exit is, inbetween texting on his phone, deserves to be paid $15 an hour?
Many of these jobs are unskilled, and not even physically demanding. Why should an employer need to pay them the same wage as a skilled labourer, just because there is a preponderance of older unskilled workers who choose to string together multiple part time jobs instead of learning higher paying skills that are in demand?

Demanding people to pay you more than what your labour is worth is also a form of entitlement.

But don't worry. Soon, many of these unskilled, repetitive, minimum wage jobs will be replaced by robots. Then these companies won't be hiring these people at all. Then what are you going to demand?
Going to take away business owners right to automate?

 

[Claudia Love]

Playing devils advocate here, not all jobs were, or are meant to be jobs to make a living off of.
Most part time jobs are meant for people who do not have to live off their earnings. Like teenagers.

Do you really think the highschool kid, incorrectly taking orders at the drive through, living at home with Mom and Dad making money to go partying with, needs or deserves to be paid a living wage? yes its harder to work at Mcdonalds then it is to manage a clothing store for example.

Do you think the highschool kid working at the grocery store, who's job is to stand at the entrance all day and tell people where the exit is, inbetween texting on his phone, deserves to be paid $15 an hour?yes standing all day with customer service is worth more than 15$an hour
Many of these jobs are unskilled, and not even physically demanding. Why should an employer need to pay them the same wage as a skilled labourer, just because there is a preponderance of older unskilled workers who choose to string together multiple part time jobs instead of learning higher paying skills that are in demand?

Demanding people to pay you more than what your labour is worth is also a form of entitlement.no it is not the minimum wage can not pay for rent for 1 bedroom plus other expenses in Toronto.

But don't worry. Soon, many of these unskilled, repetitive, minimum wage jobs will be replaced by robots. Then these companies won't be hiring these people at all. Then what are you going to demand?
Going to take away business owners right to automate?you obviously don't care about workers i hope you don't own a business. your outlook is bleek.

 

[Dirk63]

Does anyone think that the teenager doing these jobs should be paid differently than the 60 year old who can‘t find anyone else to hire him? One is lucky enough to live with parents and not pay rent, utilities, etc. But should the same job pay the same for everyone, or should applicants also submit a monthly budget before asking about hourly wage? Once you’re north of 55 yrs old, your employment options thin out.

 

[The Fox]

If you can't afford to pay a living wage,
You can't afford to be in business.
Asking People to work off poverty wages ,
so you can own a business is entitlement @its finest.


You are asking human beings to use their lives
to subidize your desire to own a business
If a job is worth being done ,i its worth being paid enough to live.

You’re making a huge assumption that business owners get paid more than their employees.

 

[Jenesis]

Does anyone think that the teenager doing these jobs should be paid differently than the 60 year old who can‘t find anyone else to hire him? One is lucky enough to live with parents and not pay rent, utilities, etc. But should the same job pay the same for everyone, or should applicants also submit a monthly budget before asking about hourly wage? Once you’re north of 55 yrs old, your employment options thin out.

A jobs financial worth is not calculated by the persons personal living arrangements at the time.

A jobs financial worth should be calculated by the work entailed and should the same for any age, race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability if able to work the job.

You’re making a huge assumption that business owners get paid more than their employees.

This is very true. For a while I was making less then my employees.

I worked hard to be where I am and have the business I do. I am not using anyone’s life to subsidize my need to own a business. I had to own my business to survive because I couldn’t work “regular” hours and I was young with no real work experience. I had to sell other non escort services that I happened to be talented at and worked from there to where I am now.

I don’t know where I would be if I didn’t start my business and had a few clients take a chance on me. I could still be homeless for all I know.

To say some of things said about business owners is just wrong.

 

[Darts]

It's about supply and demand (Economics 101). There's a reason why female SP's make $500 an hour or a lawyer making $1,000 an hour.

 

[Fun For All]

It's about supply and demand (Economics 101). There's a reason why female SP's make $500 an hour or a lawyer making $1,000 an hour.

If you're paying that kind of money, you need to shop around more...

 

[barnacler]

The law of supply and demand should dictate wages.

Otherwise, if there are tens of thousands of people willing to work for a particular wage, and yet employers are required to pay more than that, then you really are just turning the 'winners' into lottery winners. And there are fewer of them than the great mass that are willing to work for lower wages. And putting the businesses at a competitive disadvantage to their competitors in other jurisdictions that are not hindered in such a fashion. Of course this leads to us sticking our noses into poor countries matters by starting to demand that they, although not as developed or productive as we are, should pay higher wage rates than their economies warrant.

This is the kind of thing going on in European countries. Spain's youth unemployment rate is around 34%.

If

 

[poker]

Just because a business is owner struggles does not mean he is entitled to pay less than a living wage.

I worked for a guy that did that. He would get a contract to tear down a commercial unit... hire some guys for a $1000 a week to do the job... and if he got fucked around with payment in anyway sharpe or form, he would tell the guys "sorry, I didn't get paid, so I can't pay you."

It happened repeatedly. He could not complete jobs on time... guys hit water or electric lines which cost him extra. Guys triggered the fire alarm once the fire department sat all night monitoring building (as per the first code) and a huge hourly rate. If he could fuck a job up... he would.... and it all came out of the guys pockets.

One of my kids cleaned rental units for property managers. He would find kijiji ads for the extra work. 3 out 5 jobs he got screwed because the property manager just refused to pay.

 

[poker]

And on the other side of that coin... people like me bitching about fair and living wages for everybody... probably wearing clothes that got made off shore, by someone make $2 or $3 a day. Big business and the politicians have made it so you can't even start some businesses here as you can't compete with the slave labour off shores.

 

[Jenesis]

Just because a business is owner struggles does not mean he is entitled to pay less than a living wage.

I worked for a guy that did that. He would get a contract to tear down a commercial unit... hire some guys for a $1000 a week to do the job... and if he got fucked around with payment in anyway sharpe or form, he would tell the guys "sorry, I didn't get paid, so I can't pay you."

It happened repeatedly. He could not complete jobs on time... guys hit water or electric lines which cost him extra. Guys triggered the fire alarm once the fire department sat all night monitoring building (as per the first code) and a huge hourly rate. If he could fuck a job up... he would.... and it all came out of the guys pockets.

One of my kids cleaned rental units for property managers. He would find kijiji ads for the extra work. 3 out 5 jobs he got screwed because the property manager just refused to pay.

That is no where near the standard of employer treatment of employees.

 

[Claudia Love]

Does anyone think that the teenager doing these jobs should be paid differently than the 60 year old who can‘t find anyone else to hire him? One is lucky enough to live with parents and not pay rent, utilities, etc. But should the same job pay the same for everyone, or should applicants also submit a monthly budget before asking about hourly wage? Once you’re north of 55 yrs old, your employment options thin out.

What companies do a lot of is hire part time with no benefits. It works out great for those living at home with parents but not so well for the 60 year old that needs benefits.

 

[Claudia Love]

You’re making a huge assumption that business owners get paid more than their employees.

Business owners must have enough money to live above the poverty line for themselves and pay their employees more than poverty level to be in business. If a business owner is going to not have enough for expenses than the employee ends up losing that job. So its safe to say that if your going to gamble with people working for you, you must have enough to cover both ends. If you can't then the employee gets more days taken off to the point they can't survive either. An employee is going there to have financial security and if a business owner isn't taking care of their financial responsibilities then its safe to say that business will close.

 

[Jasmina]

I sincerely hope she doesn't start spamming the board with a billion copy and paste threads.

Madonna/ grace sparks. Great job coping and Pasting. Plagiarism is plagiarism. You are the master of plagiarizing. Why don’t you put the link where you got the quote from. Btw how many handles are you allowed to have on this site. I know of 4 handles of yours.

 

[fall]

Just because a business is owner struggles does not mean he is entitled to pay less than a living wage.

I worked for a guy that did that. He would get a contract to tear down a commercial unit... hire some guys for a $1000 a week to do the job... and if he got fucked around with payment in anyway sharpe or form, he would tell the guys "sorry, I didn't get paid, so I can't pay you."

It happened repeatedly. He could not complete jobs on time... guys hit water or electric lines which cost him extra. Guys triggered the fire alarm once the fire department sat all night monitoring building (as per the first code) and a huge hourly rate. If he could fuck a job up... he would.... and it all came out of the guys pockets.

One of my kids cleaned rental units for property managers. He would find kijiji ads for the extra work. 3 out 5 jobs he got screwed because the property manager just refused to pay.

Well if these guys worked without a contract - they were taking a risk (and, most probably, got paid in cash without having to report it). It is pretty simple - noone requires anyone to work and noone is responsible for your own mistakes. Business not equal social services.

 

[angrymime666]

people should be paid according to their skills and demand of the job market. if someone has skills that everyone can do, that in itself should dictate their wages. the fact they are easily replaced with others who can easily do the job would dictate a low wage. if people want to live at a certain level then they need to level up. government should not set wages, but the market.

people need to be responsible for themselves and their choices. unfortunately people require the government to intercede on their behalf because they lack the skills and have make poor decisions for their lives.

 

[Micber]

I sincerely hope she doesn't start spamming the board with a billion copy and paste threads.

we have already Charlemagne and TJay... I dont think we can afford another one.

 

[K Douglas]

If you can't afford to pay a living wage,
You can't afford to be in business.
Asking People to work off poverty wages ,
so you can own a business is entitlement @its finest.


You are asking human beings to use their lives
to subidize your desire to own a business
If a job is worth being done ,i its worth being paid enough to live.

I can guarantee you'd be changing your tune after 1 month of operating a small/mid sized business and having to meet payroll obligations.

 

[xix]

Playing devils advocate here, not all jobs were, or are meant to be jobs to make a living off of.
Most part time jobs are meant for people who do not have to live off their earnings. Like teenagers.

Do you think the highschool kid working at the grocery store, who's job is to stand at the entrance all day and tell people where the exit is, inbetween texting on his phone, deserves to be paid $15 an hour?

But don't worry. Soon, many of these unskilled, repetitive, minimum wage jobs will be replaced by robots. Then these companies won't be hiring these people at all. Then what are you going to demand?
Going to take away business owners right to automate?

U - said devil advocate - understandable and I agree with comments made here.

There are four groups of teenagers.
Group A - working to save for college or university - maybe a few parties along the way during high school
Group B - not doing well at school and nothing at home, so parent sent them to get some work ethics in him/her. maybe no post education
Group C - care less for HS so might as well start a job BUT may change after HS and become a lawyer.
Group D - all of the above but C is less because teenager fails post education after 1 semester or 3 years. may end up working somewhere, or back home and party, commit crime of to jail or jump of a cliff, or open his/her own business and successful.

Fate or destiny is hard to predict.