Somalis watch double amputations

[tboy]

Actually, many petty thieves to reform and end up being productive members of society. You reduce that possibility by permenantly disabling them.

Well, depends on what you deem to be "petty". Value under $1,000.00? $500.00? $100.00? Stealing guns is far from petty IMO.

But one thing that this does bring up: I think that anyone who does get caught committing a crime (any crime for that matter) ought to be forced to repay the costs of the property they stole/damaged, the court costs, the police costs etc.

 

[wet_suit_one]

And anyways, anyone who really wants to solve the crime problem knows the answer already. Kill everyone. No crime occurs in a graveyard.

 

[Prim0]

Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say they have more (quantity and amount) wealthier people but I believe their poor are much worse off. At least here, doesn't matter how poor you are, you still get health care. In the US, you don't have money you don't get treated.

Wrong!!! In the US. anyone who shows up at an emergency room must be treated.

 

[tboy]

Wrong!!! In the US. anyone who shows up at an emergency room must be treated.

and I guess you haven't seen all those "exposes" on how they are dumped outside shelters etc ?

 

[themexi]

Actually, many petty thieves to reform and end up being productive members of society.

True... However many petty thieves go on to get WORSE & end up being an even bigger danger to society.....You reduce THAT possibility by permanently disabling them.


Also, in Somalia, stealing a mans gun is NOT petty theft it is a HUGE freaking deal..... Basically when you take a mans gun there you take his livelihood & his ability to properly defend the rest of is property, his own life & the life of his family...... Over here its less the case but the government sees all crimes as against the STATE NOT THE VICTIM.... Personally I admire Sharia Law if for no other reason than it puts the VICTIMS FIRST....

Just like cattle rustlers, horsethieves & barn burners were hung in our recent past due to the ACTUAL effects of their crimes on the victims... losing a hand & a foot is a MERCY considering the situation over there...

 

[Prim0]

and I guess you haven't seen all those "exposes" on how they are dumped outside shelters etc ?

Actually, I let exposes rule how I live my life.


C'mon...You want to site media as fact? How do you know that what you saw represents 100% or even a majority of the cases.

I could produce an expose about how a black man and a white man are friends...would that mean that racism is a thing of the past.

Couldn't I also produce an expose about how a black man and a white man hate each other...would that mean that all blacks and whites hate each other?

I'm sure there are examples of those needing help that don't get it...but BY LAW an emergency room has to treat anyone who comes for care. If some people break the law that doesn't mean that everyone without insurance or cash gets dumped at the shelter.

Sheesh!

 

[danmand]

I'm sure there are examples of those needing help that don't get it...but BY LAW an emergency room has to treat anyone who comes for care. If some people break the law that doesn't mean that everyone without insurance or cash gets dumped at the shelter.

The emergency rooms have to stabilize patients, so they do not die. That is all.

 

[tboy]

Actually, I let exposes rule how I live my life.


C'mon...You want to site media as fact? How do you know that what you saw represents 100% or even a majority of the cases.

I could produce an expose about how a black man and a white man are friends...would that mean that racism is a thing of the past.

Couldn't I also produce an expose about how a black man and a white man hate each other...would that mean that all blacks and whites hate each other?

I'm sure there are examples of those needing help that don't get it...but BY LAW an emergency room has to treat anyone who comes for care. If some people break the law that doesn't mean that everyone without insurance or cash gets dumped at the shelter.

Sheesh!

Dude relax......seriously.

But, by the same argument, do you think just because the LAW says something that everyone ABIDES by it?

But this is a good discussion for another thread with Obama's goal to get healthcare for everyone in the US.

But think about it for a second: if the law states that everyone who shows up at an ER department must be treated whether they have health coverage or not, why would anyone ever pay for healthcoverage if they can get treated for free?

 

[Big Rig]

I am in favor of maiming.


You could medically maim in such a fashion it would not cause pain and they could still work.

The cost of prisons would drop dramatically and so would crime.

Why is locking someone up worse then maiming?

A Hells Angel caught extorting? Maim his right leg so he cannot ride anymore.

Pedophile? Chemical castration.

What is wrong with the idea?

 

[danmand]

I am in favor of maiming.


You could medically maim in such a fashion it would not cause pain and they could still work.

The cost of prisons would drop dramatically and so would crime.

Why is locking someone up worse then maiming?

A Hells Angel caught extorting? Maim his right leg so he cannot ride anymore.

Pedophile? Chemical castration.

What is wrong with the idea?

Brilliant idea, and anyone caught logging on to an escort review board get
his pecker cut off.

 

[tboy]

Brilliant idea, and anyone caught logging on to an escort review board get
his pecker cut off.

No, I think he was talking about punishment for crimes, and logging onto terb isn't a crime.......(though we often do distcuss criminal acts)

 

[Big Rig]

Brilliant idea, and anyone caught logging on to an escort review board get
his pecker cut off.

Yup. There is always that danger if the extremists get in. Church used to cut off noses for adultery.

Still say it is a good idea though we just have to learn how to stand on guard for our rights and freedoms. The cost of crime would plummet to a small fraction along with crime

You could leave your wallet in the street where these laws are and nobody would steal it

At the very least the idea should be deeply studied and not tossed off so quickly

Cut off pecker for corporate crime is a great idea though. Does that make me an extremist? I guess it does.

 

[tboy]

Yup. There is always that danger if the extremists get in. Church used to cut off noses for adultery.

Still say it is a good idea though we just have to learn how to stand on guard for our rights and freedoms. The cost of crime would plummet to a small fraction along with crime

You could leave your wallet in the street where these laws are and nobody would steal it

At the very least the idea should be deeply studied and not tossed off so quickly

Cut off pecker for corporate crime is a great idea though. Does that make me an extremist? I guess it does.

I don't know about crossing physical punishment with white collar crimes. That's getting really convoluated. But to automatically seize all assets of those responsible and paying back the victims, now that's applicable. Also something I would fully support: If say someone robs a variety store and gets caught, they work until all the stolen funds are returned as well as any damage they caused. I would also support making direct family financially responsible for the crimes committed by their offspring. Kind of forced responsibility type of thing. Say junior steals a car and wrecks it. Dad and Mom foot the bill as well as junior. Might make for a lot stricter parenting....

 

[danmand]

Still say it is a good idea though we just have to learn how to stand on guard for our rights and freedoms. The cost of crime would plummet to a small fraction along with crime

You could leave your wallet in the street where these laws are and nobody would steal it

At the very least the idea should be deeply studied and not tossed off so quickly

Actually, the experience from England contradicts your theory. When they hung people
for picking pockets, the other pick pockets did brisk business during the hangings.

 

[Never Compromised]

Cutting off the right hand makes your social life a bitch in Muslim countries. People will know right away that you are a convicted thief, and in a culture that rarely uses knives and forks at the dinner table, cutting off the right hand really cuts down on your dinner invitations.

While we may say how barbaric it is as a punishment, we have no problem locking people up for life without the befit of a mate, and we have capital punishment in our "Christian" Western culture.

 

[tboy]

Cutting off the right hand makes your social life a bitch in Muslim countries. People will know right away that you are a convicted thief, and in a culture that rarely uses knives and forks at the dinner table, cutting off the right hand really cuts down on your dinner invitations.

While we may say how barbaric it is as a punishment, we have no problem locking people up for life without the befit of a mate, and we have capital punishment in our "Christian" Western culture.

Don't muslims use their right hand to wipe with? That's why you NEVER shake hands with your left......(but that could be an urban myth....I don't know...)

Ah it is true:

http://www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=1000&main_cat_id=14

"The left hand is used by a person to clean up filth, wash himself after going to the bathroom, and other similar activities. The right hand is used for clean practices like eating and shaking hands."

and

"It is not permissible to eat with the left hand. Whoever does so has engaged in something unlawful and has committed a sin."

 

[themexi]

Actually, the experience from England contradicts your theory. When they hung people
for picking pockets, the other pick pockets did brisk business during the hangings.

Actually when capital punishment is used in crimes like tat muggings quickly turn to murders, etc, bc theres no extra risk to being sure you cant be identified

 

[keyser]

Didn't the English use to 'Quarter' people?

Not, to my recollection, in the 21st century.